Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Donít Think College Is Worth It? Ask People Who Havenít Gone
New York Times ^ | 06/07/2012 | By CATHERINE RAMPELL

Posted on 06/07/2012 4:31:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Last month the Heldrich Center for Workforce Development released data showing that college graduates generally do not regret going to college, despite lots of criticism of the value of higher education. Today the center released a new report focusing on the depressing state of America’s recent high school graduates, who seem to agree about the importance of further education.

The study reported on a survey of high school graduates of the classes of 2006-11 who do not have college degrees and are not enrolled in school full time. This group overwhelmingly believes that additional education beyond a high school diploma is required to succeed:

The online survey was conducted between March 21 and April 2, and covered a nationally representative survey of 544 high school graduates from the classes of 2006-11 who did not have bachelor’s degrees and were not full-time students. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus five percentage points.Heldrich Center for Workforce Development, Rutgers UniversityThe online survey was conducted between March 21 and April 2, and covered a nationally representative survey of 544 high school graduates from the classes of 2006-11 who did not have bachelor’s degrees and were not full-time students. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus five percentage points.

Seven in 10 of these recent graduates said they would need more education if they were to have a successful career. Despite their belief in the value of post-secondary education, though, only 38 percent definitely planned to attend college to get more education in the next five years. Barriers included skyrocketing tuitions and family obligations.

(Excerpt) Read more at economix.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: college; debt; highereducation; workforce
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-68 next last

1 posted on 06/07/2012 4:32:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

2 posted on 06/07/2012 4:32:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
It's not. There is a "sheepskin ceiling", however, enforced by college people at every major employer. So you earn a little less money. What's your soul worth? What's your mind worth? What's your individuality worth?

Nowadays, of course, the "value proposition" of college is eroding daily. It's all available online. The sort of person who is motivated to teach himself is a much more productive and creative person anyway. And if corporate America doesn't get that -- well, just look at corporate America. Its a disaster. And guess why?

if you want to be the "in-crowd", then yeah, you need to be in the "higher education" pecking order. But if that's the sort of thing that matters to you, you stopped reading this a long time ago.

Ask the people who have dropped out, too. Education is too precious a thing to look for on a typical college campus.

3 posted on 06/07/2012 4:42:20 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand

Lets not forget the economic disruption public sector unions have introduced. I discovered early on that I could make a fortune bypassing college and landing a gubmint job. Here I am 11 years later earning way more than most college grads many years my senior.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 4:53:16 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Seven in 10 of these recent graduates said they would need more education if they were to have a successful career.

___________________________

I agree with them....BUT....that additional education is not necessarily to be found on a college campus. Also, the additional education mentioned should not be *remedial* in any way. Our educational systems from first grade through high school need serious reform. Students should be strong in their understanding of the basics and they should know MUCH more about their own vocational strengths and talents before graduation. In an ideal society, students should also be seeking Divine guidance for their careers...with the help of their parents and churches.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Adults who logged a lot of airline miles as children tend to earn more than adults who never flew as children. Therefore, we should fly children around in planes.

Thomas Sowell said that, with tongue in cheek.

The NYT needs to learn the difference between causation and correlation. Or maybe they’re playing stupid.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 4:56:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

One problem with this is that many of the people polled are in their mid-40s and older. If you attended college prior to 1990 then you got a college education when it still meant something. Now, except for a few professions (medicine and engineering, mainly) the utility of a college education is pretty close to what the utility of a high-school diploma was back in the 1920s or so.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 5:03:47 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: No Truce With Kings

My journalism degree came in handy when I went to work as a coal salesman.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 5:07:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: No Truce With Kings
There are some companies that require a college degree for their entry-level management positions. Abercrombie & Fitch is one that I know of. You can't get into their retail store management training program if you don't have a degree. Doesn't matter what the degree is in, you just have to have proved your capability. A&F's training program is well-defined and is structured for upward mobility... something pretty rare in retail these days.

Just one example, but it substantiates the point of the article.

9 posted on 06/07/2012 5:11:52 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand

College education is like any other commodity, you can have a glut of it and that’s part of our problem today. Its like saying that everyone who goes into the NAVY needs to be SEAL team 6.

Sure we need engineers, doctors, and scientists but they should be the elite of our workforce and they should be paid accordingly. The bulk of the workforce should be diggers, drillers, drivers, and builders. In fact a good bit of the tech stuff they claim requires college can be learned on the job. I’m a high school dropout who learned to program, operate and maintain robotics on the job and I became foreman as a result.

We need more apprenticeships and trade schools where students learn the specific skills for the job without all the extraneous social engineering crap. College should be reserved for those who can afford it or those who can earn philanthropist and corporate funded scholarships.

And as you pointed out, online learning presents a lot of great opportunities. I took an online extension course in graphic arts and it helps bolster my meager income. Besides, I can and do learn more all the time.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 5:20:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: the invisib1e hand

Education is too precious a thing to look for on a typical college campus.

Educate (as in ‘bring forth from within’) became indoctrinate at these institutions of higher learning!


11 posted on 06/07/2012 5:30:17 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
The study reported on a survey of high school graduates of the classes of 2006-11 who do not have college degrees and are not enrolled in school full time. This group overwhelmingly believes that additional education beyond a high school diploma is required to succeed:

Of course it is necessary because what happens in public high schools is not education. They don't get educated in school, but when life whacks them upside the head, they realize how important it really is.

12 posted on 06/07/2012 5:34:35 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
I don't know...I went to college for four years and got a dual degree in Business Administration and Accounting, came out with a load of debt. I have a couple friends that took a few night classes at the local Vo-Tech center right out of highschool. One is a pipefitter and the other one installs/repairs Heating/AC systems. Both are making nearly twice what I am without the debt...
13 posted on 06/07/2012 5:35:49 AM PDT by apillar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

“There are some companies that require a college degree for their entry-level management positions.”

Just as there were companies back in the 1920s that required a High School Diploma for an entry-level management position. So your statement just validates my point: A BA circa 2110=HSD circa 1920


14 posted on 06/07/2012 5:39:41 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Heck, let’s send everyone to college. Everyone has the same academic ability, no?


15 posted on 06/07/2012 5:45:08 AM PDT by OldPossum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Or maybe they’re playing stupid.

Fixed

16 posted on 06/07/2012 5:48:03 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: grellis

didn’t finish college, nor did my husband - doing fabulously.

We have a small business, lovely family, and bright children who win every award in the book - National Merit Scholars to boot....

experiencing college is where some kids miss out, but with all the indoctrination....

one of our boys is so genuine, gregarious, and literary, he’d be perfect as a pastor, but wouldn’t dare major in Biblical Studies at the state university. That’s the sad part. Most of these old colleges began as Christian universities.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 6:09:13 AM PDT by nevermorelenore
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The discussion is pretty useless until you start defining what a college education is. Degressin woman’s studies, gay studies, balck studies, literature, music, humanities etc are economically NOT a college education. Graduates with these degrees have just wasted 4 years and thousands of dollars learning nothing that is useful.

Focus on the sciences, engineering, and other technical degrees and you find that a college education does help you.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 6:09:18 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: apillar

Absolutely correct. There is an insane clinging to the idea of a “CAREER”. What you must have is the ability to get and keep a job to support yourself and family.
It is the “uneducated” but highly skilled tradesman of all kinds who are the ones who keep this society running. i.e. without the elevator repairman, not a building in the USA would be over 3 stories high.
Without the greasy handed auto mechanic we would still be looking down on the rear end of a horse.
What good will that “degree” in Gender Studies do when the bridge across the local river is reaching a danger point?
Go to the TECH high schools. The seniors getting a diploma on a Saturday have a job waiting for them on Monday. And many of them have been RECRUITED by SKILL seeking employers.


19 posted on 06/07/2012 6:18:34 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ALPAPilot

Scores show students aren’t ready for college
75% may need remedial classes

For many students, getting a high school diploma doesn’t mark the end of a high school education.

Three out of four graduates aren’t fully prepared for college and likely need to take at least one remedial class, according to the latest annual survey from the nonprofit testing organization ACT, which measured half of the nation’s high school seniors in English, math, reading and science proficiency.

Only 25 percent cleared all of ACT’s college preparedness benchmarks, while 75 percent likely will spend part of their freshman year brushing up on high-school-level course work. The 2011 class is best prepared for college-level English courses, with 73 percent clearing the bar in that subject. Students are most likely to need remedial classes in science and math, the report says.

Although the results are slightly better than last year — 24 percent of the 2010 graduating class met ACT’s four thresholds — the report highlights a glaring disconnect between finishing high school and being ready for the academic challenges of college.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/17/scores-show-students-not-ready-college/?page=all


20 posted on 06/07/2012 6:25:19 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-68 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson