Skip to comments.Teenager Breaks Into Tolleson Cop's House; You Betcha, That Kid Got Shot(AZ)
Posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:09 AM PDT by marktwain
Residential burglary is a slightly safer activity than Russian roulette, but sooner or later, burglars are bound to run into someone with a gun who does not take kindly to scumbags in his house.
One of those types would be cops, who all have guns, and aren't too sympathetic toward crime.
A 17-year-old kid found that out the hard way Tuesday afternoon, as he broke into the home of a Tolleson police officer.
The officer -- whose name hasn't been released -- was taking a nap at home around 2:30 p.m. Tuesday when he heard breaking glass coming from downstairs, according to Phoenix police.
The cop went down there with his firearm, and found this uninvited teenager in his home "armed with a large rock," police say.
After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com ...
Don’t bring a rock to a ....
Cops also know what to say. Everyone should take notes.
I am sure crime scene investigators do not ask a lot of questions either...
As long as the cop wasn’t partly Hispanic and the kid wasn’t carrying Skittles, this story should disappear in no time.
He loved his Mother and was saving up for his first gold tooth!
Yep, for some reason, the media and the left in general have no problem when a cop shoots someone invading his house.
I wonder if he was wearing a hoodie at the scene? Skittles?
I’m assuming the “teenager” is one of holder’s people.
Pity the officer wasn’t a better shot though. Now we’ll end up paying to keep the vegetable alive for 60 years. On second thought we were probably already paying to keep him alive. This way he will at least stop committing crimes
Good thing it didn’t happen in Florida.
Yes, and he had an engaging smile, and he loved to play sports. He had fallen in with the wrong crowd, you know, but he was starting to turn his life around.
The kid’s mother will be calling it murder, and if the kid was black and the cop white, Jesse and Al will be heard from soon.
Yes, that is important. And if the perp is shot while hanging out a window or door, it’s best if the body is more inside the house than out. Jus’ sayin’...
We are becoming Britain where people who defend themselves get in more trouble than thugs do.
You know how it is brother, the media will have a freaking field day if you don’t render first aid.
That is, after you put the drop gun, or in this case drop rock in juniors hand. /s
To the non-peace officer types, you are in NO WAY required to administer first aid to anyone shot while invading your home. Keep them covered from a good covered and concealed position while talking on the phone to the dispatcher. The phone line is recorded, make sure you say you were in fear for your life, and if you need to warn the suspect not to move, say to stay still or you will take their movement as a continued threat.
Try to stay on the line until the officers arrive, give a complete physical description of your self, the suspect, and your location to avoid misunderstanding or surprises. Establish an early verbal dialogue with the arriving officers, but say nothing incriminating, only that your weapon is secured, you hands are in plain site, etc.
Remember, every successful defensive shooting will be treated as homicide, which is not the same as murder but the investigation will be thorough and intense.
Especially in Arizona where citizens don't need state permission to buy, own, or carry concealed firearms. (We still have those pesky fed rules.)
Was there some reason why he couldn't have just shot him in the leg???
Let Me guess, you're not a cop, you just play one on T.V.?
Let's run throught the robbers choices in this incident. When confronted with the home owner He could've:
A. Run away,
B. Dropped the rock and surrendered, or
C. Attenpted to throw the rock at the homeowner.
He chose unwisely.
Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.
He probably “rendered aid” by squeezing the perps abdomen to make sure there wasn’t too much blood in his system.
The kid’s not going to be throwing any rocks or running away if he’s laying on the ground with a bullet in his leg, is he??? Why isn’t that the wise choice??? Why the bullet to the head???
It was nice of this cop to save the taxpayers some cash by eliminating this feral human from the gene pool. It’s too bad George Zimmerman has been made a political football over the same.
Legs and arms are NOT that easy to hit, even for a trained marksman.
What is easier to hit?
Head, chest, abdomen.
Yes, the prosecutors insist that we non-law enforcement citizens try to shoot limbs if we absolutely have to defend ourselves, but that is “Wild We4st” fantasy thinking.
It says that the kid was armed with a large rock? From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right to exist. Expect CAIR to be all over this.
You remove the threat, period. If the kid can come back you have not removed the threat. DRT is always the best solution.
Head shots are very difficult especially if the target is moving. Cops don't usually shoot this well.
How many rounds were fired? Was he aiming at his head, body or the rock?
“From this statement its clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right...”
He didn’t recognize the cop’s right of return.... fire.
I would think that the chest, abdomen, then legs would be easiest to hit. They are larger targets and can't be moved quickly. The head and arms on the other hand would seem to be the hardest to hit because they are smaller and can move, twist, or turn quickly.
It is possible that he was aiming at the rock in his hand as he was raising it to throw the rock, and just missed and hit his head by mistake. That's more likely --
Legs are not that easy to hit.
You do NOT aim for those.
You aim center of mass.
And shooting things out of people’s hands is movie fantasy when you have the guy charging at you.
That is NOT a likely scenario.
What is likely is this: Aimed center of mass, kid was leaning forward.
Was there some reason why he couldn’t have just shot him in the leg???
Any other teens who might be tempted to “B&E” are likely to reconsider if enough invaders receive ventilation ports in their skulls.
Simply plugging a leg will likely leave a dirtbag able to sue. Unless you happen to nick the femoral artery.
That fella's been getting his time in on the range.
Love it!! Nice shooting!!!! Never bring a rock to a gun fight!!! Unfortunately, the sub-human will probably live. I would have put 3-4 rounds into the sub-human’s chest and then told it to drop the rock. As for administering first aid to the sub-human? Not gonna happen! Ever!
One CCW article I read said to get in the car (and take everybody else in the house) and move a block away, while telling the operator what you are doing. That way the cops CAN'T mistake you for the Bad Guy.
That would be leaving the scene. You’re likely to get a LOT of trouble for that.
There’s no bad technique to keep from getting shot by mistake.
I asked the question insincerely. Center of mass should be the first target. If that fails (body armor? drugs?), then one's training dictates different secondary goals--destroy mobility by destroying the pelvis. The head is usually not targeted except in a hostage scenario, where the innocent victim's body may be used as shield. If so, this may create a perp with a farely stable head that may be easier to hit.
To aim for center of mass and hit the head is unlikely. Shots are usually pulled low, not high, unless one is having difficulty seeing the front sight in a low-light condition. (Is this what happened?)
Point taken. I would tell the operator why I am moving and ask if I should stay. Put the onus on them. If they are ambivalent, repeat what they said so they can't claim a "misunderstanding", then tell them that to prevent any perceived threat to or from the officers, you are moving to save your lives. Hard to hammer you if that is recorded.
Agreed, it is hard to think clearly in these stressful situations, but depending on what state you live in, you may be right no matter what is said.
Others were being sincere about aiming for legs.
The kid probably leaned forward, the cop probably was aiming center of mass.
That’s what most likely happened.
The article said 2:30 in the afternoon, low light may not have been an issue.
Unless it was an extraordinarily dark room like in my mother in law’s place.
That’s why I’m thinking the kid leaned forward and took it to the head that way.
Forward dive? If I were in his shoes and preparing to throw a rock when confronted with someone aiming a gun at me, I'm upright winding up. If I were not intent on throwing the rock, I'd be dropping the rock, turning to evade the shot.
I think it most likely that the cop was looking at the target, unaware of the precise alignment of his weapon's sights and fired. "Instinctive shooting" is anything but, unless you've developed point shooting skills (using non-sighted aiming; actually one should always "sight" the weapon, but it may not use the weapons sights; it could be the rail as the weapon is brought up into the shooters view.). It can be off if the weapon is shot from a low/tactical ready (don't recall what we used to call it) with upward cant of the weapon. This can produce a high point of impact--it's easy to over estimate the need upward cant. He also may have rushed the shot when the perp appeared intent on throwing the rock.
I don't recall seeing the range of engagement mentioned.
Head shots are good, even if not intended. CNS shots stop the threat.
“Why isnt that the wise choice???”
It isn’t. The firing of a weapon is the application of deadly force. If the situtation does not warrant the application of deadly force, DON’T SHOOT.
(There is no such thing as “Shoot to wound.” Most people, including LEOs, are lousy shots anyway, making the outcome problematic at best. The phrase is, in itself, a fantasy for liberal bleeding hearts.
Shooting someone in the leg may, and probably will result, in hitting a major artery like the femoral artery. You’ll bleed to death post haste. As I said firing a weapon is the application of deadly force and should be used only if killing the target is the intent.
You are assuming that the cop was aiming for the head . . .
Yeah, I didn’t see the distance between them mentioned either.
As for if the kid leaned forward, I’ve seen some stupidity here in NY that would be amusing if not for the seriousness of it.
No I am not. I've given a few possible reasons for a shot going high.
I think this "If" is the gray area of uncertainty in between those two choices for someone facing this situation. When does the situation warrant it??? If I'm not sure, isn't wounding preferable to killing???
“If I’m not sure, isn’t wounding preferable to killing???”
The point is that trying to wound using deadly force isn’t a viable solution. If you’re gonna use deadly force your intent must be to kill the target. If it isn’t... DON”T SHOOT!
Don’t know why I am bothering to clarify for someone with a 3 rd grade reading level.
I meant he probably didn’t face the same level of scrutiny as a “George Zimmerman”, or others might. As a trained professional, a policeman has a great deal of instruction on when to fire a weapon and when to use other means to resolve a situation.
Do you understand that better?