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Teenager Breaks Into Tolleson Cop's House; You Betcha, That Kid Got Shot(AZ)
phoenixnewtimes.com ^ | 6 June, 2012 | Matthew Hendley

Posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:09 AM PDT by marktwain

Residential burglary is a slightly safer activity than Russian roulette, but sooner or later, burglars are bound to run into someone with a gun who does not take kindly to scumbags in his house.

One of those types would be cops, who all have guns, and aren't too sympathetic toward crime.

A 17-year-old kid found that out the hard way Tuesday afternoon, as he broke into the home of a Tolleson police officer.

The officer -- whose name hasn't been released -- was taking a nap at home around 2:30 p.m. Tuesday when he heard breaking glass coming from downstairs, according to Phoenix police.

The cop went down there with his firearm, and found this uninvited teenager in his home "armed with a large rock," police say.

After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; defense; home
Many people have been killed with rocks, including the first recorded murder.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:24 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Don’t bring a rock to a ....


2 posted on 06/07/2012 4:56:51 AM PDT by AU72
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To: marktwain

Cops also know what to say. Everyone should take notes.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 4:57:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: marktwain
But, he was such a good kid, so kind, always helpful. Was it really necessary for the cop to shoot him?
4 posted on 06/07/2012 5:13:52 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: PAR35

I am sure crime scene investigators do not ask a lot of questions either...


5 posted on 06/07/2012 5:14:34 AM PDT by Max_850
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To: marktwain

As long as the cop wasn’t partly Hispanic and the kid wasn’t carrying Skittles, this story should disappear in no time.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 5:26:27 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: EmilyGeiger

He loved his Mother and was saving up for his first gold tooth!


7 posted on 06/07/2012 5:29:17 AM PDT by albie
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To: Max_850

Yep, for some reason, the media and the left in general have no problem when a cop shoots someone invading his house.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 5:31:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: albie

I wonder if he was wearing a hoodie at the scene? Skittles?


9 posted on 06/07/2012 5:33:44 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: marktwain

byebyesumbitch


10 posted on 06/07/2012 5:34:25 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: marktwain

I’m assuming the “teenager” is one of holder’s people.

Pity the officer wasn’t a better shot though. Now we’ll end up paying to keep the vegetable alive for 60 years. On second thought we were probably already paying to keep him alive. This way he will at least stop committing crimes


11 posted on 06/07/2012 5:34:58 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: marktwain

Good thing it didn’t happen in Florida.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 5:36:31 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: marktwain; PAR35; Max_850
Why leave off the last couple of sentences?

The officer gave first aid before Phoenix police and fire showed up to his home.
The 17-year-old, who also hasn't been named, was brought to the hospital, and was in critical condition.
The officer was uninjured.


Weird. I would've expected the evil off-duty cop to have done everything in his power to make sure the "execution" was successful. So odd that an evil stormtrooper ss cop whose home had just been invaded would instead render aid to the invading criminal, once the threat had been eliminated.
/sar
13 posted on 06/07/2012 5:37:23 AM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: EmilyGeiger; albie

Yes, and he had an engaging smile, and he loved to play sports. He had fallen in with the wrong crowd, you know, but he was starting to turn his life around.

The kid’s mother will be calling it murder, and if the kid was black and the cop white, Jesse and Al will be heard from soon.


14 posted on 06/07/2012 5:38:12 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: PAR35

Yes, that is important. And if the perp is shot while hanging out a window or door, it’s best if the body is more inside the house than out. Jus’ sayin’...

We are becoming Britain where people who defend themselves get in more trouble than thugs do.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 5:40:52 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: brent13a

You know how it is brother, the media will have a freaking field day if you don’t render first aid.

That is, after you put the drop gun, or in this case drop rock in juniors hand. /s

To the non-peace officer types, you are in NO WAY required to administer first aid to anyone shot while invading your home. Keep them covered from a good covered and concealed position while talking on the phone to the dispatcher. The phone line is recorded, make sure you say you were in fear for your life, and if you need to warn the suspect not to move, say to stay still or you will take their movement as a continued threat.

Try to stay on the line until the officers arrive, give a complete physical description of your self, the suspect, and your location to avoid misunderstanding or surprises. Establish an early verbal dialogue with the arriving officers, but say nothing incriminating, only that your weapon is secured, you hands are in plain site, etc.

Remember, every successful defensive shooting will be treated as homicide, which is not the same as murder but the investigation will be thorough and intense.


16 posted on 06/07/2012 6:03:09 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: marktwain
...but sooner or later, burglars are bound to run into someone with a gun...

Especially in Arizona where citizens don't need state permission to buy, own, or carry concealed firearms. (We still have those pesky fed rules.)

17 posted on 06/07/2012 6:04:53 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: marktwain
After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

Was there some reason why he couldn't have just shot him in the leg???

18 posted on 06/07/2012 6:14:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Was there some reason why he couldn't have just shot him in the leg???

Let Me guess, you're not a cop, you just play one on T.V.?

Let's run throught the robbers choices in this incident. When confronted with the home owner He could've:

A. Run away,

B. Dropped the rock and surrendered, or

C. Attenpted to throw the rock at the homeowner.

He chose unwisely.

CC

19 posted on 06/07/2012 6:34:40 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.


20 posted on 06/07/2012 6:45:12 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: brent13a

He probably “rendered aid” by squeezing the perps abdomen to make sure there wasn’t too much blood in his system.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 6:46:51 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The kid’s not going to be throwing any rocks or running away if he’s laying on the ground with a bullet in his leg, is he??? Why isn’t that the wise choice??? Why the bullet to the head???


22 posted on 06/07/2012 6:54:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain

It was nice of this cop to save the taxpayers some cash by eliminating this feral human from the gene pool. It’s too bad George Zimmerman has been made a political football over the same.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:19 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Celtic Conservative

Legs and arms are NOT that easy to hit, even for a trained marksman.
What is easier to hit?
Head, chest, abdomen.

Yes, the prosecutors insist that we non-law enforcement citizens try to shoot limbs if we absolutely have to defend ourselves, but that is “Wild We4st” fantasy thinking.


24 posted on 06/07/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: marktwain

It says that the kid was armed with a large rock? From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right to exist. Expect CAIR to be all over this.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 7:09:26 AM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: Uncle Chip; Celtic Conservative

You remove the threat, period. If the kid can come back you have not removed the threat. DRT is always the best solution.


26 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:49 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: marktwain
After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

Head shots are very difficult especially if the target is moving. Cops don't usually shoot this well.

How many rounds were fired? Was he aiming at his head, body or the rock?

27 posted on 06/07/2012 7:22:11 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: fightin kentuckian
It says that the kid was armed with a large rock? From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian . . .

LOL

28 posted on 06/07/2012 7:36:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fightin kentuckian

“From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right...”

He didn’t recognize the cop’s right of return.... fire.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 7:43:46 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Darksheare; nonsporting
What is easier to hit?

I would think that the chest, abdomen, then legs would be easiest to hit. They are larger targets and can't be moved quickly. The head and arms on the other hand would seem to be the hardest to hit because they are smaller and can move, twist, or turn quickly.

It is possible that he was aiming at the rock in his hand as he was raising it to throw the rock, and just missed and hit his head by mistake. That's more likely --

30 posted on 06/07/2012 7:53:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; nonsporting

Legs are not that easy to hit.
You do NOT aim for those.
You aim center of mass.

And shooting things out of people’s hands is movie fantasy when you have the guy charging at you.
That is NOT a likely scenario.
What is likely is this: Aimed center of mass, kid was leaning forward.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Was there some reason why he couldn’t have just shot him in the leg???


Any other teens who might be tempted to “B&E” are likely to reconsider if enough invaders receive ventilation ports in their skulls.

Simply plugging a leg will likely leave a dirtbag able to sue. Unless you happen to nick the femoral artery.


32 posted on 06/07/2012 7:58:30 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: marktwain
... the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

That fella's been getting his time in on the range.

33 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:39 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marktwain

Love it!! Nice shooting!!!! Never bring a rock to a gun fight!!! Unfortunately, the sub-human will probably live. I would have put 3-4 rounds into the sub-human’s chest and then told it to drop the rock. As for administering first aid to the sub-human? Not gonna happen! Ever!


34 posted on 06/07/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: Molon Labbie
Try to stay on the line until the officers arrive, give a complete physical description of your self, the suspect, and your location to avoid misunderstanding or surprises.

One CCW article I read said to get in the car (and take everybody else in the house) and move a block away, while telling the operator what you are doing. That way the cops CAN'T mistake you for the Bad Guy.

35 posted on 06/07/2012 10:22:39 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

That would be leaving the scene. You’re likely to get a LOT of trouble for that.


36 posted on 06/07/2012 10:27:41 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Oatka

There’s no bad technique to keep from getting shot by mistake.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 10:32:29 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Darksheare
Legs are not that easy to hit. You do NOT aim for those. You aim center of mass. And shooting things out of people’s hands is movie fantasy when you have the guy charging at you. That is NOT a likely scenario. What is likely is this: Aimed center of mass, kid was leaning forward.

I asked the question insincerely. Center of mass should be the first target. If that fails (body armor? drugs?), then one's training dictates different secondary goals--destroy mobility by destroying the pelvis. The head is usually not targeted except in a hostage scenario, where the innocent victim's body may be used as shield. If so, this may create a perp with a farely stable head that may be easier to hit.

To aim for center of mass and hit the head is unlikely. Shots are usually pulled low, not high, unless one is having difficulty seeing the front sight in a low-light condition. (Is this what happened?)

38 posted on 06/07/2012 11:01:37 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
That would be leaving the scene. You’re likely to get a LOT of trouble for that.

Point taken. I would tell the operator why I am moving and ask if I should stay. Put the onus on them. If they are ambivalent, repeat what they said so they can't claim a "misunderstanding", then tell them that to prevent any perceived threat to or from the officers, you are moving to save your lives. Hard to hammer you if that is recorded.

Agreed, it is hard to think clearly in these stressful situations, but depending on what state you live in, you may be right no matter what is said.

39 posted on 06/07/2012 11:06:03 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: nonsporting

Ah, okers.
Others were being sincere about aiming for legs.

The kid probably leaned forward, the cop probably was aiming center of mass.
That’s what most likely happened.

The article said 2:30 in the afternoon, low light may not have been an issue.
Unless it was an extraordinarily dark room like in my mother in law’s place.

That’s why I’m thinking the kid leaned forward and took it to the head that way.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 11:12:16 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare
That’s why I’m thinking the kid leaned forward and took it to the head that way.

Forward dive? If I were in his shoes and preparing to throw a rock when confronted with someone aiming a gun at me, I'm upright winding up. If I were not intent on throwing the rock, I'd be dropping the rock, turning to evade the shot.

I think it most likely that the cop was looking at the target, unaware of the precise alignment of his weapon's sights and fired. "Instinctive shooting" is anything but, unless you've developed point shooting skills (using non-sighted aiming; actually one should always "sight" the weapon, but it may not use the weapons sights; it could be the rail as the weapon is brought up into the shooters view.). It can be off if the weapon is shot from a low/tactical ready (don't recall what we used to call it) with upward cant of the weapon. This can produce a high point of impact--it's easy to over estimate the need upward cant. He also may have rushed the shot when the perp appeared intent on throwing the rock.

I don't recall seeing the range of engagement mentioned.

Head shots are good, even if not intended. CNS shots stop the threat.

41 posted on 06/07/2012 11:32:30 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Uncle Chip

“Why isn’t that the wise choice???”

It isn’t. The firing of a weapon is the application of deadly force. If the situtation does not warrant the application of deadly force, DON’T SHOOT.

(There is no such thing as “Shoot to wound.” Most people, including LEOs, are lousy shots anyway, making the outcome problematic at best. The phrase is, in itself, a fantasy for liberal bleeding hearts.

Shooting someone in the leg may, and probably will result, in hitting a major artery like the femoral artery. You’ll bleed to death post haste. As I said firing a weapon is the application of deadly force and should be used only if killing the target is the intent.


42 posted on 06/07/2012 11:34:59 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: nonsporting

You are assuming that the cop was aiming for the head . . .


43 posted on 06/07/2012 11:38:31 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: nonsporting

Yeah, I didn’t see the distance between them mentioned either.

As for if the kid leaned forward, I’ve seen some stupidity here in NY that would be amusing if not for the seriousness of it.


44 posted on 06/07/2012 11:44:56 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: freedomlover
You are assuming that the cop was aiming for the head . . .

No I am not. I've given a few possible reasons for a shot going high.

45 posted on 06/07/2012 11:47:20 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Forty-Niner
If the situtation does not warrant the application of deadly force, DON’T SHOOT.

I think this "If" is the gray area of uncertainty in between those two choices for someone facing this situation. When does the situation warrant it??? If I'm not sure, isn't wounding preferable to killing???

46 posted on 06/07/2012 12:14:12 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“If I’m not sure, isn’t wounding preferable to killing???”

NO.

The point is that trying to wound using deadly force isn’t a viable solution. If you’re gonna use deadly force your intent must be to kill the target. If it isn’t... DON”T SHOOT!


47 posted on 06/07/2012 4:26:34 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: brent13a

WTF???

Don’t know why I am bothering to clarify for someone with a 3 rd grade reading level.

I meant he probably didn’t face the same level of scrutiny as a “George Zimmerman”, or others might. As a trained professional, a policeman has a great deal of instruction on when to fire a weapon and when to use other means to resolve a situation.

Do you understand that better?


48 posted on 06/08/2012 9:49:19 PM PDT by Max_850
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