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USS Liberty crew member recalls fatal '67 US-Israeli skirmish
Stars and Stripes ^ | June 5, 2012 | Pat Kinney

Posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:49 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

WATERLOO, Iowa — Joe Carpenter has more questions than answers about what happened on June 8, 1967 — but no question about the valor of his shipmates.

Carpenter, a 1965 West High School graduate, was a crew member of the USS Liberty. The U.S. Navy ship was attacked by Israeli forces during the 1967 Six Day War, in which Israel defeated a host of Arab nations and captured the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem.

Thirty-four of Carpenter's shipmates were killed and 174 wounded — two-thirds of the crew of 294. Carpenter himself was reported to have been severely wounded when he was mistaken for another "J. Carpenter" on the ship.

Friday is the 45th anniversary of the Liberty incident. Peace organizations are planning observances in Iowa City and Cedar Rapids. Carpenter wants no part of anyone's political agenda.

"Some of the guys on the ship got consumed with this," he said. "I didn't do that."

He believes his shipmates — particularly those who fought fires, kept the ship afloat and tended to the wounded — should be remembered for their heroism along with those wounded or killed.

Though the U.S. was officially neutral in the conflict, Israel and the U.S. traditionally had been considered friends. Initially Carpenter thought the attack was from an Arab nation.

"Myself, I thought it was probably Egypt," Carpenter said. But the attacking planes and torpedo boats were identified as Israeli.

It was ironic, given the pro-Israel sentiments of much of the Liberty's crew

"We could see the war on the coast. We could see the planes," Carpenter said. "We were cheering the Israelis ... and then they came out and shot at us."

Israel claimed the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel. Others have suggested the attack was deliberate. U.S. official reports say the Liberty was flying an American flag.

Now, 45 years later, Carpenter thinks the truth may never be known despite numerous investigations by both sides.

He believes Congress should have held hearings, "but the principals who were involved are all dead," Carpenter said.

"I would have liked to have seen McNamara grilled," Carpenter said. Robert S. McNamara, U.S. defense secretary under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson, died in 2009.

Some have suggested U.S. officials downplayed the incident to preserve relations with Israeli -- and may even have been negligent in a military response to support the Liberty.

"It was a spy ship" for the U.S., Carpenter said, conducting surveillance on the war in international waters near Gaza and the Sinai. Carpenter was a communications technician, transmitting encrypted messages.

But the Liberty was alone and significantly outgunned.

"We had four .50 caliber machine guns," Carpenter said, going up against French-made Israeli Mirage fighter jets and torpedo boats.

"It was pretty chaotic, to be sure," said Carpenter. He may have missed death by moments. He and a friend had just left an area of the ship when it was struck by an Israeli torpedo that was responsible for most of the deaths on board.

Much of the crew's efforts were spent putting out fires and keeping the ship afloat. Carpenter recalled one sailor who got separated from the group Carpenter was with and was killed by the attacking planes.

Carpenter enlisted in the Navy at age 17 upon graduation from West and had planned to re-enlist .

"That was before June 8, 1967," said Carpenter. He is now close to retirement from Tyson Fresh Meats in Waterloo.

Forty-three sailors received medals for heroism in the incident. Ship commander William McGonagle received the Medal of Honor.


TOPICS: Israel
KEYWORDS: israel; lbj; sixdaywar; ssdd; usnavy; ussliberty
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Another fine work by LBJ. Nobody should get away with doing that to an American ship and sailors, not even an ally.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:55 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

This is the first I have heard of this so freaking weird


2 posted on 06/07/2012 4:53:13 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

A hell of a lot more to this story than we’ve been told.
It was done on purpose to send a message that Israel was not going to allow the U.S. to intercept its military intentions and then share it with the moosies.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 4:54:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: yldstrk

Google USS Liberty
It will tell you all you need to know about Israel and our media.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 4:55:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Oh here we go again, attention all anti-Semites, please pick up the red and black Zyklon-B courtesy phone?

And have a nice day.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 4:56:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: mkjessup
Oh here we go again, attention all anti-Semites, please pick up the red and black Zyklon-B courtesy phone?

I guess those sailors killed on the Liberty were just a bunch of anti-semites also.

6 posted on 06/07/2012 4:59:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

It’s a sickening story of betrayal, if the Israelis did this on purpose. And I say that as an otherwise strong supporter of Isreal.

Questions:

Did the US claim at the time that it had apprised Isreal of the ship’s position?

Was it incumbent on the US, in a situation like this, to apprise its ally of the existence and location of such a ship?


7 posted on 06/07/2012 5:01:07 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: mkjessup

ZOG, ZOG, ZOGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

Joooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssssssss.

IIRC, war is HELL?


9 posted on 06/07/2012 5:06:25 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: mkjessup

Some of us don’t have blinders on.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 5:06:35 AM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Joe Boucher

(Gong goes off loudly)

Wrong answer! Try again. That one is not even in the USS Liberty theory data base. Here are some possibles.

1). A mistake as the Israelis tried to say.
2). The Israelis were doing some human rights violations after their victory in the Sinai and the USS Liberty was sitting off the coast of Sinai and would pick up on these atrocities.
3). The Israelis were fearful that their plans to take over the Golan Heights would be found out and thus stopped. The Golan Heights is a sweet piece of very fertile land and strategically important to Israel.
4) The USS Liberty was passing messages back to a secret site (most would guess Cyprus) and then being transferred to our very close allies - the Russians.

The infamous USS Liberty event was a common topic among us Hebe linguists during our language training and as we did our thing in the Med.


11 posted on 06/07/2012 5:08:21 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Joe Boucher

There is not the slightest evidence from any credible source that the Israelis deliberately attacked the Liberty knowing that it was US Navy. The fog of war means mistakes happen.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 5:10:42 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
This was a tragic accident, something that happens all too frequently in war.

WASHINGTON -- New documents released this week by America's National Security Agency support Israel's version of a long-festering controversy between the two countries. Israel's sinking of an American spy ship, the USS Liberty, off the coast of Gaza during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel has always said it had no idea the ship was American, but conspiracy theorists and anti-Israel propagandists still claim Israel sank the ship in the full knowledge that it was American.

The documents, originally defined as top secret, were made public by Florida Judge Jay Cristol, who has been investigating the Liberty incident for years and published a book on the subject last year. On Monday, the NSA gave him a transcript of conversations held by two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots who were hovering over the Liberty as it was sinking, and these tapes confirm Israel's claim that the sinking of the ship, which killed 34 American servicemen and wounded 171, was a tragic error.

http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A-201-US-Agency-Confirms-Sinking-of-USS-Liberty-was-Accident.html

13 posted on 06/07/2012 5:10:43 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: samtheman

The Israeli pilots were (for the most part) trained in the US and spoke English. They identified the USS Liberty with the Stars and Stripes bolding waving in the Med sun as an American ship. They knew she was the American spy ship.

After several strafing runs on the ship (can’t remember exactly how many) a group of special forces type Israelis came out with the intention of sinking the ship.

The US has no obligation to apprise or get permission from anyone for any US vessel as long as the ship is in international waters and the USS Liberty was in international waters.

In God we trust, everybody else we monitor.


14 posted on 06/07/2012 5:15:55 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I knew someone who died on the Liberty. The families were given compensation by the Israeli Gov., but I don’t believe they ever got an explanation as to what actually happened out there.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 5:21:27 AM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Oh wah, wah, looks like the widdle Kangaroo couldn’t handle post #8.

No surprise there.


16 posted on 06/07/2012 5:22:28 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: inthaihill

You got a source for all that?

Take your time, I know you’re in Thailand.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 5:24:36 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: mkjessup

Wasn’t me who reported the post and deprived the world of the wisdom contained in reply #8.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 5:28:09 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Blennos

The USS Liberty did not sink. Let me repeat that - it did not sink. They kept it afloat and were able make it back to the supporting fleet and eventually repair work done on Malta.

This, IMHO, is a huge mistake made by the article and brings into question its credibility.

The Israelis knew it was the American spy ship - USS Liberty. There was one Hebe linguist on board who was picked up in Rota, Spain. He was actually not needed since all Israeli air to ground transmissions were done in English. Where are those transcripts?

I am, BTW, very pro-Israeli. But, there was a huge coverup at the time as the survivors were threatened not to say a thing when they returned to the States. What happened and why has been a hot topic among my fellow Hebe and Arab linguist for decades. The truth is out there :-). Additionally, I became a Hebe linguist some seven years after the incident and know people who were involved indirectly. Still a mystery after all these years.


19 posted on 06/07/2012 5:30:11 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: King Moonracer

War is hell indeed, but we were not at war and the ship was in international waters.


20 posted on 06/07/2012 5:31:20 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Wasn’t me who reported the post and deprived the world of the wisdom contained in reply #8.

Oh of course not.
21 posted on 06/07/2012 5:34:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: mkjessup
Oh here we go again, attention all anti-Semites, please pick up the red and black Zyklon-B courtesy phone?

I'd hate to be accused of being an anti-semite, because it would make me feel bad and stuff, but I sort of back the United States over Israel, and don't think it was very nice for our ally to napalm our sailors and fire on lifeboats in an unprovoked and deliberate act.

Even the Israel-Firsters are dropping that "tragic accident" bullsh*t because nobody believes it. The new meme is that the Liberty was spying on them and they got what they deserved. At least it's more honest.

Personally, I think we should have immediately shot every one of those jets out of the sky.

22 posted on 06/07/2012 5:34:58 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I believe the Israelis. The ship was in the middle of a war zone and closely resembled an Egyptian ship. It may have been flying an American flag, but that didn’t necessarily prove that it was American. False flags were frequently used in naval warfare during the two world wars and other conflicts.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 5:35:55 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: inthaihill

Nobody sane wants to see a second holocaust inflicted on the Jewish people in that part of the world. But in the long run, lies do not serve anybody, neither America or Israel.


24 posted on 06/07/2012 5:37:36 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Hacksaw
The question of "what really happened" to the USS Liberty in June of '67 will never be fully resolved, and it falls into the same category as "did FDR really know the Japs were going to bomb Pearl Harbor and did nothing about it?"

As I said, every June this story gets regurgitated by zealots who KNOW this incident will never be totally explained, however it always serves as a convenient tool to undermine Israel, which is something that the institutional anti-Semites both in and out of government relish.

The key question is "who benefits" from once again recycling this story?
25 posted on 06/07/2012 5:43:53 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: inthaihill; Joe Boucher
"Wrong answer! Try again. That one is not even in the USS Liberty theory data base. Here are some possibles."

I don't have any idea what the truth is, but that theory has been out there for years. Google it.

26 posted on 06/07/2012 5:45:30 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

It is no secret that the US and Israel spy on one another and the US has even arrested and jailed some Israeli spies, Pollard for example. So, they dont’ like the US telling their secrets, so they attacked the spy ship. How hard is that to figure out?


27 posted on 06/07/2012 5:47:33 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mkjessup

Ask USS Liberty Veterans Association for the evidence. The Association is made up of survivors of the attack. Their official position is that the attack was deliberate. The attack was carried out over a two hour period by aircraft and torpedo boats. Does that sound like an accident, especially when one sees men waving and yelling from the deck, the US flag flying high and the appropriate markings identifying the ship on its stern. A reconnaissance of the ship was made one hour before the attack was made. The aircraft was identified as Israeli by the men on the USS Liberty. No cause for concern as many of the men waved at the plane as warriors do when in the presence of an ally.

Lots of books on the subject are available written by people who are pro and people who are con. It is a mystery as to why the attack occurred in the first place. Decades of discussion among people who work in the field has not solved the mystery. We will not solve it today in this forum. But, IMHO, one needs to look closely at the Golan Heights for the answer.


28 posted on 06/07/2012 5:49:58 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Joe Boucher

To be considered in view of the fact that America’s foreign policy Establishment has always hated Israel and been predominantly northeastern liberal WASP Jew-haters.

Pretending the USA was a ‘strong ally’ of Israel in 1967 is just humorous.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 5:51:45 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Pretending the USA was a ‘strong ally’ of Israel in 1967 is just humorous.

We must have been doing something for the benefit of Israel in 1967 for Nasser and Syria to have no relations with us and to demonize us in their press.

30 posted on 06/07/2012 5:57:25 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Truth29

As I said, the theory that the US was giving info to the Muslims is not a valid theory and is rejected by all serious works. Which Muslims would we be giving the info to - Egypt or Syria? How was this info being passed since we had little or not connections with any Muslim state at the time. I think the theory you are referring to is the one that we were handing over info to the Russians with whom the Egyptians and the Syrians were client states. I seem to recall reading a book that proposed this as the reason. We feared that the Israelis would go too deep into Egypt or Syria and the Russians would be forced to become involved. That seems like a possibility but the logistics of getting info directly to one of those two warring Muslim states would be insurmountable given the situation at the time.

Googling brings up more problems than it solves as one finds virtually anything one wants to believe with what appears to be evidence. Most of the stuff I know came about long before the internet existed. I Google but I always have a huge grain of salt next to my computer.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 6:01:22 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Hacksaw
Some people complain way too loudly whenever this subjet is brought up.

There were 37 American sailors killed for reasons that have not been satisfactorily explained.

I see no reason to forget that, regardless of who's feelings are hurt.

32 posted on 06/07/2012 6:03:20 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: yldstrk

Pollard. Now there is a name from my past. I had the unfortunate experience of having to work for the Admiral who demanded that Pollard get his security clearance back when the Admiral was in charge of NIS. Pollard clearance had been revoked for cause but the Admiral demanded it be reinstated over the advice of his council.

Merchants of Treason, page 298, as I recall mentions the Admiral’s name as one of the reasons Pollard was able to steal all the stuff he did. The Admiral (I have a few pictures with him giving me an award) was easily the worst officer for whom I have ever had the displeasure of working.

Spying goes on but there are rules of engagement and running a humint operation against an ally within the borders of that allied country is heavily frowned upon. Pollard was a scumbag who was spying strictly for money.

Just some memories of my time at DIA I thought I would share.


33 posted on 06/07/2012 6:19:49 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: skeeter

I totally agree with your comments. I spent a year at FSI studying Hebrew (Special Arabic) with a bunch of die-hard Israelis. I have also spent some time in Israel. The Israelis are not my favorite people in the world but they are a heck of a lot better than the Palestinian Muslims I met.

Some of the greatest and kindest people I have ever met in my world journeys have been the Palestinian Christians in Jerusalem. To this day, they (as a group) are on the top of my list as wonderful human beings. They are hated by the Muslims and despised by the Israelis. They are, however, loved by me.


34 posted on 06/07/2012 6:24:52 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: inthaihill
I've never been to that part of the world, but as an amature historian I tend to agree with Adm Thomas Moorer's view of this incident.

And I completely reject the anti-semite charge.

35 posted on 06/07/2012 6:42:46 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: iowamark

That is a load of horse crap pal.
Repeated radio calls to the Israelis were ignored as the attack lasted a very long time.


36 posted on 06/07/2012 6:51:15 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: inthaihill

Seymour Hersch wrote a very interesting book. Was it factual? I’ll never know. When the attack ended a U.S. military officer came aboard and read them the riot act. I woula shot him right there. Probably no guns on the boat. Hard to believe the survivors would have kept their mouths shut after what they had been through.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 6:51:42 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

well.. in their defense, flying an american flag doesn’t prove anything. flying false colors is more common than one might think..


38 posted on 06/07/2012 7:02:16 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: inthaihill

“1). A mistake as the Israelis tried to say.
2). The Israelis were doing some human rights violations after their victory in the Sinai and the USS Liberty was sitting off the coast of Sinai and would pick up on these atrocities.
3). The Israelis were fearful that their plans to take over the Golan Heights would be found out and thus stopped. The Golan Heights is a sweet piece of very fertile land and strategically important to Israel.
4) The USS Liberty was passing messages back to a secret site (most would guess Cyprus) and then being transferred to our very close allies - the Russians.”

5.) USS Liberty intercepts Israeli transmissions indicating Israeli first strike against Egyptian/Syrian air forces provoking ‘67 War... despite Israel government political rhetoric that Israel is a peace loving nation.


39 posted on 06/07/2012 7:03:50 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Joe Boucher

***A hell of a lot more to this story than we’ve been told.****

many years ago, I remember reading right here in FR that the US and Israel had settled the USS Liberty issue.

I still remember when it happened back in 1967.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 7:05:20 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: Joe Boucher
A hell of a lot more to this story than we’ve been told.

Same could be said for a lot of stories from every war we've been in.

41 posted on 06/07/2012 7:08:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
not even an ally.

It's my understanding Israel is not a US ally.

42 posted on 06/07/2012 7:22:44 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I herd an explanation that the Liberty was a spy ship monitoring and mapping the war in real time. The computing power to analyze the data was in Cyprus under joint operations with the British. A spy was giving the intelligence on Israel to the Arabs (Egypt) So Israel is fighting for her life and they discover source of the intelligence to the Arabs. So it makes since that we didn’t want our capability to map battlefields in real time compromised and we need to catch a spy too.


43 posted on 06/07/2012 7:25:45 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: Mashood

5.) USS Liberty intercepts Israeli transmissions indicating Israeli first strike against Egyptian/Syrian air forces provoking ‘67 War... despite Israel government political rhetoric that Israel is a peace loving nation.

The Israelis had already destroyed the Egyptian and Syrian Air Forces by the time of the USS Liberty attacks. Any intelligence gathered concerning the first strikes had long been acquired and analyzed. Your number 5 is not a possibility.


44 posted on 06/07/2012 7:29:08 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: inthaihill

Shalom


45 posted on 06/07/2012 7:36:38 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: dfwgator

too true


46 posted on 06/07/2012 7:38:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: the_daug

“mapping the war in real time” makes absolutely no sense under the circumstances of the USS Liberty attacks. With only one Hebe linguist onboard, there could be no “real time” anything. This is 1967 and there was no such ability to do real time anything. Everything was funneled back to the analysts where ever that might have been and it would have taken a long time to figure out who was doing what to whom.

The spy angle is fiction. It makes for an interesting novel but it just is not true. How would the Israelis know of such a spy and how would they have known to whom he or she was passing such information? This is 1967 and the ability to catch such a spy real time is very limited as can be seen by the Pollard situation and others. It took years to finally catch the spies.

The idea that the US was passing info to the Russians to calm fears of losing client states is possible. An unknown spy passing TS information real time is almost impossible. Pollard and others did not steal real time information.


47 posted on 06/07/2012 7:45:03 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: Romulus
Your understanding is limited then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Cooperation_Agreement

They are our ally in terms of concrete strategic alliance - they are the #1 recipient of our foreign aid since WWII (although we give to our enemies as well) - and we share a common enemy, or two, or three - and we have similar ideological alignment, both being Republics of free men.

Israel is our ally.

“The United States stands by its friends. Israel is one of its friends Peace can be based only on agreement between the parties and agreement can be achieved only through negotiations between them. The United States will not impose the terms of peace. The United States is prepared to supply military equipment necessary to support the efforts of friendly governments, like Israel's, to defend the safety of their people.” Nixon

“America must and will pursue friendship with all nations. But, this will never be done at the expense of America's committment to Israel. A strong Israel is essential to a stable peace in the Middle East. Our committment to Israel will meet the test of American stead, fairness, and resolve. My administration will not be found wanting. The United States will continue to help Israel provide for her security. My dedication to Israel's future goes beyond its military needs to a far higher priority — the need for peace. My commitment to the security and future of Israel is based upon basic morality as well as enlightened self-interest. Our role in supporting Israel honors our own heritage.” Ford

“We have a special relationship with Israel. It's absolutely crucial that no one in our country or around the world ever doubt that our number one committment in the Middle East is to protect the right of Israel to exist, to exist permanently, and to exist in peace. It's a special relationship. “ Carter

“Since the rebirth of the State of Israel, there has been an ironclad bond between that democracy and this one. In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tyranny and unrest.
America has never flinched from its commitment to the State of Israel—a commitment which remains unshakable.” Reagan

“The friendship, the alliance between the United States and Israel is strong and solid, built upon a foundation of shared democratic values, of shared history and heritage, that sustains the life of our two countries. The emotional bond of our people transcends politics. Our strategic cooperation—and I renew today our determination that that go forward—is a source of mutual security. And the United States’ commitment to the security of Israel remains unshakable.” Bush

48 posted on 06/07/2012 7:55:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
June 1968: USAF F-4 Phantom fired a missile which struck HMAS Hobart, an Australian destroyer in the gun line off Vietnam. Fog of War. These things happen. toughen up, stop whinging and MoveOn

(and change your signin name)

49 posted on 06/07/2012 8:06:55 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Gott mit Mitt, Mitt mit uns)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Did that attack continue for two hours using multiple F-4s and additional torpedo boats to try to sink the HMAS Hobart? Just curious (NOT),


50 posted on 06/07/2012 8:16:53 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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