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Up to 87,000 South Korean M1 Garands Coming Home
guns.com ^ | 6 June, 2012 | Max Slowik

Posted on 06/07/2012 5:33:05 AM PDT by marktwain

Just in time for the 68th anniversary of D-Day.

The importation of as many as 87,000 M1 Garands gathering dust in South Korean storage may soon get the green light for importation to the US. Special thanks is due to Montana Senator John Tester and Representative Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming who introduced legislation to prevent the US government from interfering with the importation of US-made guns that were previously exported to other countries. In the face of this pressure, the State Department will no longer prohibit the exportation of these M1 Garands back to the US.

"From World War II to Korea and Vietnam, M1 Garand rifles played a crucial role in history," Tester said. "These American-made firearms will always be valued as collector's items, and law-abiding Americans have the right to keep them under our Constitution's Second Amendment. I'm glad the State Department listened to my concerns and those of America's gun collectors."

These rifles, which are completely legal in the US, and are even considered to be Curios & Relics because of their explicit value as collectible firearms, had been previously blocked for reasons ranging from wanting to protect US firearms manufacturing interests to ostensibly keeping guns off the streets, billing the M1 Garands as high-power, high-capacity semi-automatic rifles too dangerous for Americans.

With the State Department reversing their position, the US and South Korean governments will be working to find an importer to bring these Garands home. They will be distributed through the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP), the government-chartered organization that promotes riflery and firearms safety.

The condition of these M1 Garands has not been established, but in the past, the CMP has rebuilt Garands into like new condition with new Walnut stocks and new Criterion barrels, both in their original chambering, .30-06 Springfield and also in .308 Winchester.

We really like M1 Garands in .308, as they can still use en-block clips in addition to being chambered in a more modern, more versatile, and importantly, more available cartridge.

This is good news for all the fans of the M1 Garand, both as an elegant, reliable, and attractive rifle as well as a firearm that is truly part of American history. The bad news is that waiting will be hard. Still, the CMP has more than a few M1 Garands on-hand. You can see what rifles they have for sale right here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; cmp; freedom; garand; korea; liberty
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I will believe it when the price of Garands drops. Just where are the M1 carbines, anyway? I thought they were part of this deal.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 5:33:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sign me up.


2 posted on 06/07/2012 5:37:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Lazamataz

M1 ping


3 posted on 06/07/2012 5:40:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marktwain
Just where are the M1 carbines, anyway?

Good question. I believe I remember that there was a large cache of carbines that had been prohibited from import. Anyway, this is good news but, with the current administration, I'll hold my excitement until the CMP sends out the sales notice....

4 posted on 06/07/2012 5:43:08 AM PDT by awelliott
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To: marktwain

Hurts my thumb just looking at them.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 5:44:26 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: marktwain

From what I remember these are the Carbines, they use the .30 Carbine cartridge, NOT the 30-06.

Great for close quarter combat though. Short on range, qustionable performance against heavey winter clothing or simple first generation body armor.

Not something I would rush out to buy.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 5:45:33 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: marktwain
They still consider the M1 Carbine as a high capacity magazine.
7 posted on 06/07/2012 5:45:33 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Eaker

M1 Garand ping


8 posted on 06/07/2012 5:49:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: marktwain

The last I heard about this, the plan was to give Korean War vets and their families first dibs. Does this change that?


9 posted on 06/07/2012 5:50:05 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: marktwain

The price of Garands won’t drop. The demand for this batch will be HUGE. CMP will be absolutely inundated with orders.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 5:52:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: marktwain

The pictures aren’t carbines. My gun dealer retired, so I would have to find a new one, but a sharp price drop on Garands might make it worth the effort to start looking.


11 posted on 06/07/2012 5:53:04 AM PDT by pallis
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To: marktwain
So let me get this straight. We gave these to the South Koreans so they could protect themselves, and now they are selling these back to the US Veterans that sacrificed so much for them.

Oh yeah, they need the money so they can now buy Korean made arms and build up their own industry while the US taxpayer who pays for their defense (30,000 US troops aren't cheap) sits unemployed.

Bastards - count me out.

12 posted on 06/07/2012 5:58:52 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: marktwain

I want to know how to know when the shipment will hit the sales racks at CMP. I’m within driving distance (maybe 3 hours) from the Alabama store, and will be there when doors open IF I can find out when first availability is.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 5:59:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: marktwain
I doubt if the price will drop.

The last one I saw from Korea were in rough shape. Most weren't even usable as is.

If they are the same condition as the last ones I saw, it will take a good chunk of change just to get them back into usable condition.

14 posted on 06/07/2012 6:05:45 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: marktwain

15 posted on 06/07/2012 6:08:15 AM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: marktwain
The condition of these M1 Garands has not been established, but in the past, the CMP has rebuilt Garands into like new condition with new Walnut stocks and new Criterion barrels, both in their original chambering, .30-06 Springfield and also in .308 Winchester.

Why the CMP? I don't want a rifle thats been modified to specs I don't want. Just give me a plane ole M1 and I do the mods myself ....

16 posted on 06/07/2012 6:11:27 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Eye of Unk
Great for close quarter combat though.

Not really...my uncle was a Bronze Star and Purple Heart recipient who fought in the Korean War. He was drafted in June 1950 straight out of high school, went through basic training that summer, and then became part of the Pusan Perimeter break-out force, ultimately going all the way to the Yalu River as part of a recon unit.

He was initially armed with a M1 carbine, but when the Red Chinese launched their big "volunteer" counter-attack in December 1950, he found that it was mostly useless.

Before he died at the age of 80 last year, my uncle told me while he was manning a foxhole alone, a Chinese soldier charged him with a bayonet and it took 10 .30 round to put him down. After that, he threw away his carbine and picked up the first Garand he could find and carried it for the rest of his service in Korea. One shot was all he needed after that.

17 posted on 06/07/2012 6:19:17 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

In BREAKOUT, Martin Russ’ incredible telling of the Chosin Campaign, he writes of the carbine’s inability to generate stopping power in extreme cold that was compounded when the target was wearing multiple thick layers.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 6:22:55 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: ctdonath2
I think I know where all those rifles will end up...
19 posted on 06/07/2012 6:25:10 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Robe

My understanding is they cannot shoot today’s .30-06 ammo. It’s a liability issue.


20 posted on 06/07/2012 6:25:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Robe

CMP doesn’t make mods like that on most of the rifles they sell. Most are just cleaned up and test fired and evaluated for condition and then sold. I have four M1s from CMP and none came with new barrel or in .308, or whathaveyou. Of course you can also get them “refurbished” if you desire.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 6:26:24 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Robe

The Garand I got from CMP was one of their “Service Grade” guns. It was not rebuilt. Shoots great! I need another as my oldest son “thinks it’s his” since he shoots it so much.


22 posted on 06/07/2012 6:29:31 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: AppyPappy

“My understanding is they cannot shoot today’s .30-06 ammo. It’s a liability issue.”

Several Ammo Makers make 30-06 ammunition specifically for the Garand.
You can also install an adjustable gas plug in it.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 6:33:02 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Last Dakotan

It has always been thus with SK.


24 posted on 06/07/2012 6:33:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: marktwain

Carbines are great. You can get a Ruger Blackhawk SA chambered for the same round. Both are really fun to shoot.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 6:34:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: mountainlion
They still consider the M1 Carbine as a high capacity magazine.

I remember reading that reason before, and that's not right at all. Montana Senator John Tester and Representative Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming need to go for the whole package.

26 posted on 06/07/2012 6:36:51 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: ctdonath2

Where is the Alabama Store? I am in Montgomery area.


27 posted on 06/07/2012 6:39:48 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Timber Rattler

What a great story. My uncle was also a part of that break out force that made it to the Yalu River. He told me that while his unit was waving at the Chinese across the river, the counter attack had started down the way a bit. He with his Garand (he told me he hated the carbine) ran all the way back to the starting point. He mentioned that most of the Chinese soldiers he shot at were hopped up on something because they just kept on coming.


28 posted on 06/07/2012 6:41:52 AM PDT by inthaihill (Living in an interesting paradise - Thailand!)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
29 posted on 06/07/2012 6:43:48 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It has always been thus with SK.

I have a deep hatred of Asian Mercantilists. They took the protection we offered and the open access to our markets and used them solely for their own interests.

30 posted on 06/07/2012 6:48:07 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the ping, Joe. I want one of these. One quibble w/ the article tho’ - this line: “and are even considered to be Curios & Relics because of their explicit value as collectible firearms” shows what little the author knows about the C&R designation. They are C&R due to age and age only. Every firearm made 50 or more years ago is a C&R, which means we get more and more of ‘em every year.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 6:51:34 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: marktwain

Two separate deals. The M! Garands and even more M1 Carbines. They are letting the Garands back in but are denying the re-importation of the Carbines.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/


32 posted on 06/07/2012 6:51:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dusty Road

Get your thumb out of the way... ;-)


33 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:05 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Last Dakotan
A few years back, SK’s government asked for bids from France on a replacement for their older jet fighter fleet.
Wonder how many Frenchies laid down their lives for a free SK ?
34 posted on 06/07/2012 7:01:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: awelliott

According to the email I got from the CMP (which I can’t find) they will not be involved with these M1s. These will be sold thru private dealers (SOG, J&G, etc.) only.


35 posted on 06/07/2012 7:03:34 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Robe

CMP will not re-barrel most of these. Most will be graded and offered according to their scale: field grade, service grade, correct grade, collector grade, and special, with prices according to the grade. CMP is usually pretty conservative in their grading.

I have a couple of field grade Springfield WWII era returns from Denmark that I went to the store and picked from the racks which were in very nice condition. I have a Harrington&Richardson Korean war era service grade which I ordered which looks pristine.

Unless you get a special grade rifle you will be getting 30’06 caliber. Just a hint, if you can go to Anniston that is the best way to buy your M1 and be prepared to stay two or three hours, it’s really cool!

Also another tip, CMP is a good source for 30’06 ammo. Commercial ammo unless it specifically says manufactured for the M1 garand should not be used in your garand as the pressures are not the same and will eventually damage your rifle. You can get around this by buying and installing an adjustable gas cylinder on your rifle.

If you go to Anniston sometimes you run across Springfield 1903’ or Enfield 1917’s on the shelf which are put out as CMP gets them. Before leaving just make sure you have all your paperwork submitted to CMP and meet all their criteria which isn’t hard. Good hunting!


36 posted on 06/07/2012 7:08:17 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: marktwain

I wish they sell some M-14s. Did Clinton dump all of those in the ocean?


37 posted on 06/07/2012 7:09:04 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: pallis

***My gun dealer retired,***

If you order from the CMP the rifle will be shipped to you by mail. Now I believe it is shipped bu FEDX. The ONLY firearm I ever picked up at the post office!


38 posted on 06/07/2012 7:14:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: Fido969
I wish they sell some M-14s.

As long as the ATF exists those will never see the civilian market because of their stupid "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule.

39 posted on 06/07/2012 7:15:55 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Travis McGee

If I could get one CMP re-chambered to 7.62 NATO that bad boy would be mine so fast it’d make your head spin.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:02 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: commish

Anniston. Details at http://odcmp.com/Sales/stores.htm


41 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: inthaihill

My brother-in-law was there when the Chinese invaded. He said he saw hordes coming at them in waves. China had so many young men this was a way for population control as those in front had rifles, those behind them had spears and clubs, those behind them had nothing and were expected to pick up the rifles of those slain.


42 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: marktwain

I’m pretty sure the gun.com article is wrong about the CMP involvement with this batch of M1s. CMP only receives their rifles from the U.S. Army, per their operating charter.

If these rifles are shipped to the U.S. via an importer, they will be sold commercially.


43 posted on 06/07/2012 7:28:24 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: Travis McGee

As soon as these are graded I’m driving down to the Anniston CMP store and pick out a few. I do also wonder what is to become of the tens of thousands of M1 Carbines that can be shipped back to the US ... fish don’t have hands.


44 posted on 06/07/2012 7:30:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

French sent s Foreign Legion unit - most of their
forces were tied up in IndoChina aka Vietnam

Was lead by a Lt Gen who assumed rank of Colonel to lead
unit - was supposed to be harbinger of larger force

General’s name was Ralph Monclar (a nom de guerre - real
name Raoul Mangrin-Venerey) Used alias to protect family
from Nazis during WWII

Was wounded 17 times in WW I and WW II

Look up Battle of Chipyong-Ni

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chipyong-ni


45 posted on 06/07/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

That would be a major desecration of an M1.....


46 posted on 06/07/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: njslim
A salute to this single brave French battalion.
47 posted on 06/07/2012 7:51:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Lurker
"...As long as the ATF exists those will never see the civilian market because of their stupid "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" rule......"

Hmmm...if that's true, why is it so easy to get semi-auto AK-47, 74, and 103's...?

48 posted on 06/07/2012 7:53:02 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Elderberry

The .30 M-1906 (30-06) spec has not changed since 1906 execpt that non chlorate primers are now used as a rule.


49 posted on 06/07/2012 8:05:15 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Fido969

I saw this on the internet so it must be true. Unfortunately I think it probably is true.

Anyway it said that the Anniston Army Depot was cutting brand new M-14s into scrap. Also read they were doing the same to new in the cosmoline Winchester model 52 .22 target rifles. This was at the orders of Clinton of course.


50 posted on 06/07/2012 8:08:34 AM PDT by yarddog
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