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Windows 8, Intel Atom SoC Will Be iPad Killer
Informationweek ^ | June 04, 2012 | George Ou

Posted on 06/07/2012 7:15:15 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

When Intel announced its Windows 8 Tablet check list running on a soon-to-be-released Intel Atom Z2760 dual-core System on Chip (SoC), the reaction was mild enthusiasm with a healthy dose of skepticism. Intel said that Intel Windows 8 tablets would come with 10- or 11-inch screens, measure less than 9 mm thick, weigh less than 1.5 lbs, and offer more than nine hours of battery. The typical reaction was disbelief because no Intel notebook or netbook has ever come close to being as thin and light as an iPad with the battery life of an iPad.

Conventional wisdom among tech pundits held that Intel can't match tablets running ARM architecture processors because Intel had never delivered anything close to such a product. Intel-based Microsoft Tablet PCs were too heavy at over three pounds, too expensive with prices between $1,000 and $3,000, too short on battery life, and too inconvenient with an OS that had to be shut down or suspended. With Intel and Microsoft having a miserable 11-year track record in the tablet computing space and the fact that not much was known about the mystery Intel Atom Z2760 "Clover Trail" processor, all the skepticism was warranted.

Now that we can actually see hands-on product videos of the Acer Iconia W510 ($400 to $800 range) transformable tablet with 18 hours battery life in docked mode, it's clear that Intel was not bluffing. PC World reports that the Iconia uses an Intel SoC. That makes sense given the fact that there is no way a full-size notebook chip can even fit into a 9-mm-thin detachable chassis that also has to accommodate an LCD panel and achieve phenomenal battery life.

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IPad killer? Maybe not, but Windows 8 and the innovative Windows 8 tablets we just saw at Comuptex 2012 in Taiwan is going to put Microsoft firmly in the tablet game.

Acer Iconia W510 Windows 8 tablet hands-on video link:
http://www.viddler.com/v/d54c5646?secret=71163275

Acer Iconia W700 Windows 8 tablet hands-on video:
http://www.viddler.com/v/816f4f5b?secret=84543402

1 posted on 06/07/2012 7:15:30 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

It may be a PC Killer instead...............oops!.......


2 posted on 06/07/2012 7:23:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: SmokingJoe

Microsoft isn’t thinking things through, they have a core advantage at the Desktop, which is still by far the biggest market, they are willing to sacrifice that to pursue this pipedream of catching Apple in the Tablet market...not gonna work.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 7:24:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SmokingJoe; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
 Pundit claims Windows 8 on ARM will be iPad killer —PING!


Apple ipad Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

4 posted on 06/07/2012 7:26:21 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SmokingJoe

I have read [no experience myself] that Win 8 sucks big time.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 7:26:37 AM PDT by Principled
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To: SmokingJoe
"[X] Will Be i[Fill in the blank] Killer..." Heard that before:

I think I've made my point. Apple is still #1 in all of those categories. And yet you have idiot execs downplaying any rumors about Apple.

I guess those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of Michael Dell, Steve Ballmer, Jon Rubenstein, and Jim Ballsillie.

6 posted on 06/07/2012 7:27:14 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: All

Oops, make that Intel Atom. Brain Fart. Explainable in that I turned 63 yesterday.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 7:30:52 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SmokingJoe

The “WinTel POS” is probably a better description.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 7:32:04 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: dfwgator
Microsoft isn’t thinking things through, they have a core advantage at the Desktop, which is still by far the biggest market, they are willing to sacrifice that to pursue this pipedream of catching Apple in the Tablet market...not gonna work.”

You still don't get it do ya?
Windows 8 on Intel is both a tablet and a desktop. They are sacrificing nothing. Watch this video of the Acer Iconia W510 Windows 8 tablet/Desktop :
http://www.viddler.com/v/d54c5646?secret=71163275

9 posted on 06/07/2012 7:33:03 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I don’t think there is anymore murdered hardware than the iPhone and iPad in the history of tech. Killers here, killers there, killers all over. This new killer vaporware is so scary my 2 iPads saw me reading it and immediately jumped off the desk and hung themselves by the charging cord.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 7:33:04 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Principled

That’s odd, because everything I have read says that Windows 8 absolutely kills the I-Pad. Superior OS in virtually every way—not so great for PC’s (needs touch screen to be fully appreciated), but the perfect tablet OS.


11 posted on 06/07/2012 7:33:13 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Swordmaker

Wow!! This is hugh and series. Another Apple product killer!! Just like those that killed the iPod, iPhone and laptops etc. Woot!


12 posted on 06/07/2012 7:35:53 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: SmokingJoe
iPad killer? Very unlikely. Unless it does something extraordinary than an iPad won't do, the Apple app store and the iTunes interface pretty much guarantee iPad will keep its dominance for the foreseeable future.
13 posted on 06/07/2012 7:37:01 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Swordmaker

I have heard that the only way to get apps for an ipad is from the apple store. Is there a way for a company to develop their on apps and install them on only their equipment without putting them in the store.


14 posted on 06/07/2012 7:39:15 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (Entropy isn't what it used to be)
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To: SmokingJoe
Windows 8, Intel Atom SoC Will Be iPad Killer

Bull. The only thing that will kill the iPad is Apple making stupid decisions sans Steve Jobs.

There are too many Apple Lemmings for the iPad or any other Apple product to fail unless it is totally uselss. (And even then I'm not so sure...)

15 posted on 06/07/2012 7:41:20 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Poser
iPad killer? Very unlikely. Unless it does something extraordinary than an iPad won't do, the Apple app store and the iTunes interface pretty much guarantee iPad will keep its dominance for the foreseeable future

Kinda like the iPhone kept its dominance over Android phones, yes?

16 posted on 06/07/2012 7:41:40 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Principled
I have read [no experience myself] that Win 8 sucks big time.

Been using it since the "beta" was released, and been using the "consumer preview" and now the release candidate, and from my experience, I can testify that, it's better and faster than Windows 7. You may have to work a little bit to get used to the new interface, but, once you do, you won't be going back to Windows 7 or any other Windows. It it can work as nicely across all form-factors, including tablets, then Windows 8 will in fact become the most used Windows release within a year, and it should also eclipse iOS within 2 years for tablets (my prediction).
17 posted on 06/07/2012 7:43:53 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Sudetenland

“but the perfect tablet OS.”

Uh. No. It’s Android ICS with the ability to run Windows apps. Only ICS is far more refined.

But when push comes to shove, I put my Transformer 2 down and go back to my iPad. In the pad form factor, iOS is still superior to everything.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 7:44:13 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: SmokingJoe
It's not the intel processor or the tablet design from Acer or other capable hardware builders, the real problem lies here:

Windows 8

19 posted on 06/07/2012 7:45:52 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Red Badger

..... laptops have been killing desktops for a while....

Now laptop sales and prices are down being eaten into by dufus friendly iPads plus smart phones


20 posted on 06/07/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Dan Nunn
Google TV was supposed to be the Apple TV killer. (verdict's still out, wait until next week)”
........
I think I've made my point. Apple is still #1 in all of those categories&rdquo
;

Ahem..Microsoft's XBOX 360 easily smokes the perpetually slacking Apple TV in any department you care to compare them, including sales, performance, ability to play AAA games, TV programs/movies available etc, and domination of living rooms..
And in case you forgot, Android smarphones vastly outsell the iPhone worldwide.

21 posted on 06/07/2012 7:47:41 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ThomasThomas
I have heard that the only way to get apps for an ipad is from the apple store. Is there a way for a company to develop their on apps and install them on only their equipment without putting them in the store.

I'm not sure of the exact process, myself, but I'm 99.99% positive there's a way to do enterprise deployment of internal apps without having to go through the App Store to do it.

22 posted on 06/07/2012 7:49:20 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: adorno

Thanks for sharing your experience -


23 posted on 06/07/2012 7:50:06 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
I have read [no experience myself] that Win 8 sucks big time.

Yeah?
Read..and weep.
PC World:
"Windows 8 Preview Beats Windows 7 in Most Performance Tests
A desktop running Windows 8 Consumer Preview started up faster and generally ran faster than the same desktop running Windows 7.
By Nate Ralph, PCWorld Mar 23, 2012 9:00 am

Windows 8‘s Metro interface may be controversial, but it looks like few PC users will complain about the new operating system’s performance. The PCWorld Labs put the Consumer Preview of Windows 8 through a battery of tests and found it generally faster—sometimes a lot faster—than Windows 7.

Our test system running Windows 8 Consumer Preview started up faster, ran through our WorldBench 7 benchmark faster, and showed superior performance when browsing the Web, compared with the same system running Windows 7. In only one major test, our office productivity measure, did Windows 8 lag behind Windows 7 performance.

Obviously, these results are far from definitive, since they’re based on a preview rather than on the final version of the new operating system. But once Windows 8 is finally released, it is entirely possible that the performance will improve, since we had to use drivers that weren’t yet tweaked for Windows 8."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/252383/windows_8_preview_beats_windows_7_in_most_performance_tests.html

24 posted on 06/07/2012 7:51:39 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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Both ipad and iphone should have an infrared LED in them to expand their use as tv remote controls.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 7:51:49 AM PDT by Rio
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To: ThomasThomas
I have heard that the only way to get apps for an ipad is from the apple store. Is there a way for a company to develop their on apps and install them on only their equipment without putting them in the store.

Yes, Apple has a means of companies developing in house proprietary apps available only to employees and/or customers/clients of that company and makes it easy to install them on the appropriate iPads or iPhones.

Apps STILL must be vetted by Apple before being allowed to be installed, unless the company chooses to jailbreak their company owned iPads or iPhones. If they choose to go that route, they lose all support from Apple.

26 posted on 06/07/2012 7:52:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Dan Nunn
•Ultrabooks were supposed to be the Macbook Air killer. •All-In-One PCs were supposed to be the iMac killer. What categories would those be? Does Apple lead in either the laptop or desktop market?

Maybe I've been following tech for too long but I remember Bill Gates loaning Apple money because they were going broke, I remember the first apple tablet that was a miserable failure, I remember the best music playing software in the business slowing getting usurped by inferior products. I remember superior hardware being eclipsed by inferior hardware. The most important thing to remember through all this is that just because a company is in the lead at the moment, and just because they have the best technology, does not mean they will have either next month.

27 posted on 06/07/2012 7:53:22 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Rio
Both ipad and iphone should have an infrared LED in them to expand their use as tv remote controls.

That's not the way Apple "thinks" in developing products. IR is today's technology, but by the time they would get the redesign of that added into a production model, newer sets (and set-top boxes) will be on the home LAN and controlled by commands sent over the network, not (just) IR.

28 posted on 06/07/2012 7:54:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Dan Nunn

The “Economy” will “be the only thing” that can kill Apple.... Maybe a two punch 10 count is in order but Apple will always be a $300 plus stock (down from 1/2 grand)....


29 posted on 06/07/2012 7:55:18 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: SmokingJoe
I have Windows 8 Consumer Preview on my Villiv s5 and my Kohjinshu SX3 both touch screens. Its not bad. I still like My IPad for that function though.

Now if Asus or someone came to the table with a Win 8 like the Transformer Prime WITH a Wiacom digitizer for writing and drawing that would be something that could hit the IPad...

30 posted on 06/07/2012 7:56:20 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Swordmaker
John Dvorak has a problem with Windows 8?
That is relevant how? He's been having problems with plenty of stuff over over 15 years that I have been reading his columns. He's hardly ever right on anything. He likes the attention though.
31 posted on 06/07/2012 7:56:39 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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Well, it certainly looks cool. But does it do anything productive?

In my experience for entertainment and social apps, the i* and Android based products win hands down but to do any serious work I still need my Wintel computers.

32 posted on 06/07/2012 7:57:06 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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Well, it certainly looks cool. But does it do anything productive?
In my experience for entertainment and social apps, the i* and Android based products win hands down but to do any serious work I still need my Wintel computers

It is a Wintel computer(as well as a tablet). Watch the video again.

33 posted on 06/07/2012 8:03:12 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

http://wallpapersinbox.blogspot.com/2011/09/windows-8-wallpapers.html

Just installed some cool Windows 8 wallpaper. I’ll keep Win 7 though


34 posted on 06/07/2012 8:03:26 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SmokingJoe

It’s about the price. If the new pads are at least $200 less than iPad, people will buy them. They won’t kill the iPad, just as Android phones haven’t killed the iPhone.

Apple competes in the premium price market. They have owned that market for quite a while. Just as Windows computers are about half the price of Mac computers, the Windows pads will probably be considerably cheaper than the iPads. If the Windows pads cost as much as iPads, they won’t sell.

The “commodity” computer/pad/phone market is a huge one that Apple doesn’t address. Unfortunately for Microsoft, they aren’t the only operating system for that market and Android got there first. I predict a slow but steady sales growth curve for the new Windows tablets with a price point slightly above Android tablets and significantly below Apple tablets.


35 posted on 06/07/2012 8:04:02 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: SmokingJoe
Let me say, without any equivocation, that Windows 8 may or may not be spectacularly successful, that it may be a spectacular failure, or it may be something in between.

You can take that to the bank.

36 posted on 06/07/2012 8:05:09 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Rio

And garage door opener.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 8:06:11 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: SmokingJoe
No reason to weep Joe! ONe can find anything on line saying almost anything. CNET summarizes:

There's a long, narrow road ahead for Windows 8, and the Release Preview hasn't gone as far down the path as we were hoping. Here:http://reviews.cnet.com/windows-8-review/

Or this, As you can probably tell, I hate Windows 8 a lot. For the average, somewhat proficient user, Windows 8 hides all the things that makes Windows 7 so useful. Windows 8 seems to be designed specifically for tablets, for which it will be a great OS. However, for those of us who want to use computers to make documents, presentations, spreadsheets and graphic editing, Windows 8 will annoy us to no end. Here:http://www.godandscience.org/general/windows_8_review.html if you care.

So I'm thankful to those FReepers who have actually used it and describe it here. As you can see, you can post a review saying anything.

38 posted on 06/07/2012 8:11:13 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Poser
Unfortunately for Microsoft, they aren’t the only operating system for that market and Android got there first. I predict a slow but steady sales growth curve for the new Windows tablets with a price point slightly above Android tablets and significantly below Apple tablets.

Windows 8 tablets/hybrids won't take too long to outsell Android tablets, mostly because Windows 8 hybrids will run the over 6 million Windows 7 programs from the get go in Desktop mode. Android tablets don't really have much of a market share right now. Outselling the iPad is another matter altogether. That is going to take quite a while.

39 posted on 06/07/2012 8:11:47 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

-—Watch this video of the Acer Iconia W510 Windows 8 tablet-—

This is a perfect solution for on-the-go business people —covering presentations and productivity. Looks great too. Tablet AND laptop for the price of a laptop. Nice.

At first glance, this looks like a Kraken.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 8:14:08 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Rio
Both ipad and iphone should have an infrared LED in them to expand their use as tv remote controls.

I was just talking with Mrs. Thrawl that the form factor and interface of the iPad would make a killer universal remote.

41 posted on 06/07/2012 8:16:47 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: SmokingJoe

There’s no serious computing power behind that to compete in the desktop market. It will be a good web browser though.


42 posted on 06/07/2012 8:21:24 AM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: Principled
As you can see, you can post a review saying anything”

The raw performance head to head, comparing Windows 8 to Windows 7, that I posted from PC World, are indisputable, irrespective of what any individual reviewer thinks of Windows 8. Windows 8 IS considerably faster on the same hardware, than Windows 7.
As far as the metro interface for the windows 8 tablet is concerned, its based on the same metro interface that Windows phone 7 has, and that has received plenty of rave reviews. I think some Windows 8 reviewers are not thinking sufficiently out of the box when it comes to metro.

43 posted on 06/07/2012 8:24:06 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ThomasThomas
I have heard that the only way to get apps for an ipad is from the apple store. Is there a way for a company to develop their on apps and install them on only their equipment without putting them in the store.

Good Question ... the ONLY way to SELL software, is through iTunes. Apple is going to get their cut (30%, I believe). This is for the mass distribution software and books, etc. Stuff you want the general public to consume.

However, say a company like Delta Airlines wants to put their aircraft checkoff lists on the iPad (which they have); they can create an in-house solution to install on Delta-only equipment. I don't think Delta would want the general public having copies of all of their aircraft manuals and check-lists.

44 posted on 06/07/2012 8:24:53 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: SmokingJoe
Windows 8 hybrids will run the over 6 million Windows 7 programs from the get go in Desktop mode

Can't wait to see what that will do to battery life.

45 posted on 06/07/2012 8:29:33 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Red Badger
With Intel and Microsoft having a miserable 11-year track record in the tablet computing space

But ... but ... Microsoft had a touchscreen table...

46 posted on 06/07/2012 8:30:10 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Poser
Just as Windows computers are about half the price of Mac computers, the Windows pads will probably be considerably cheaper than the iPads. If the Windows pads cost as much as iPads, they won’t sell.

Not quite true anymore. If you compare like for like - the Apple computers are very competitive with anyone. Compare a specific Mac Book Air, then compare an industrial case (not a cheap plastic case) with identical specs from Dell, HP, Leveno or anyone else - you will find that Apple is usually cheaper.

Compare the 9.7 inch tablets made for Android and price-compare them against the iPads - again, like-for-like. You will find that the other tablets are about the same price (or more expensive) than the iPad. In the case of Blackberry, they had to knock their price from $699 down to $149 to sell their inventory - they were MORE expensive than the similiar equipped iPad.

The age of the "Mac Tax" is gone.

47 posted on 06/07/2012 8:31:22 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: SmokingJoe

They always say there is something better coming out just after I bought one. I have the II and I love it. Although, I still need a laptop for some things, or maybe I need to attend a few apple classes because I don’t know all my pad can do. I love google earth. So fun. I can see the world without leaving my house.


48 posted on 06/07/2012 8:33:44 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: SmokingJoe
Kinda like the iPhone kept its dominance over Android phones, yes?

Yes, worldwide, the top three highest SELLING models of smartphones, the ones with the greatest demand before all other makes and models, are the Apple iPhone 4s, the Apple iPhone 4, and the three year old Apple iPhone 3Gs! They sell in far greater numbers than any single model of any other maker's smartphone. As of a report dated May 24, 2012, IDC says that just those three models of iPhones, represent more than 23% of all worldwide sales of smartphones, while the manufacturers of the over 1400 "me too" models of Android and Baidu (a Chinese non-compliant subset of Android) smartphones comprise 59%. In fact, in the US, when the iPhone sales are looked at among the longer term iPhone carriers such as AT&T and Verizon, the rates of customers choosing iPhone over Android are far higher, with AT&T reporting 69% and Verizon 51% of their customers in Q1 2012 choosing iPhones! This has resulted in the US iPhone market iPhone share reaching 43% and climbing.

49 posted on 06/07/2012 8:36:51 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: dfwgator

The days of the desktop bign the biggest market, are numbered, and MS isn’t stupid, they know it too.. Its not there yet, but its coming.

Adapt or Die... The tablet market is going to get a whole lot more interesting, when your tablet and your desktop are the same device, which is at the end of the day what MS is gunning for.

Take the tablet with you, pop into a dock when you aren’t traveling, and use your keyboard, mouse and monitor (if your tablet is small enough to warrant the need for a seperate monitor.

Use all the same programs, share all the same files, etc etc.

Provided the hardware manufacturers don’t blow it, the days of iPad being the only real tablet in town are coming to an end. And very likely the dominant player, within a few years.

HOWEVER this all comes down to execution of the software and hardware... if the software is great, but the hardware is overpriced or blows, nope.. If the hardware is great but the software/ui blows... nope.

We shall see.


50 posted on 06/07/2012 8:39:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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