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New surveillance cameras will use computer eyes to find 'pre crimes' by detecting suspicious
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 6/5/12 | Rob Waugh

Posted on 06/07/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by ColdOne

New surveillance cameras will use computer eyes to find 'pre crimes' by detecting suspicious behaviour and calling for guards

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In its latest project BRS Labs is to install its devices on the transport system in San Francisco, which includes buses, trams and subways.

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The company says will put them in 12 stations with up to 22 cameras in each, bringing the total number to 288.

The cameras will be able to track up to 150 people at a time in real time and will gradually build up a ‘memory’ of suspicious behaviour to work out what is suspicious.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; dontspyonme; govtabuse; precrime; tyranny

1 posted on 06/07/2012 8:29:01 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Like the Tom Cruise movie ?


2 posted on 06/07/2012 8:31:08 AM PDT by molson209
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To: ColdOne

They need to put a bunch of those cameras in Parliament, ASAP.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 8:31:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: ColdOne

Once again, the truth comes from foreign media, since the hacks here in the U.S. won’t report it.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 8:33:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: ColdOne

Groups of pranksters will probably get great sport out of “punking the camera” and bringing out the bobbies, with little or no actual crime being planned.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 8:33:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: ColdOne

Cyber profiling?

How do the programmers determine suspicious behavior?


6 posted on 06/07/2012 8:35:11 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: molson209
Minority Report   Here it come's
7 posted on 06/07/2012 8:35:19 AM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: molson209

Just one of the long line of incremental steps to what some call Orwell’s 1984. Capture, recognition, identification, pre-cognition. Eventually, the system will progress to indictment, trial and conviction/sentencing in one fell digital-swoop....future looks so bright, I gotta wear shades /s


8 posted on 06/07/2012 8:36:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ColdOne

They are putting similar things in here in the US, including things which bark out orders.


9 posted on 06/07/2012 8:37:40 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I eagerly await the next news about the struggles of Elizabeth Sacheen Littlefeather Warren.)
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To: molson209

“Person of Interest” brought to life.

But with no John Reese to intercede and deter the greater conspiracy behind the perpetuators.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:18 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: ColdOne

And will they turn them off when it is proven that they are “hitting” on illegals, blacks and “progressive liberals?”

Bigoted cameras!

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11 posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:33 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ColdOne

They’re going to call actual human guards? Why can’t we just have electronic police, judges, juries, and firing squads so that the unpredictable nature of humans is completely eliminated? I’d feel much safer in a world like that.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 8:38:54 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: ColdOne
From Google quotes.

"The truly paranoid are clever enough to not act paranoid."

13 posted on 06/07/2012 8:39:12 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: ColdOne

What will it decide when it looks at people wearing “hoodies”......

I can forsee a “minority sensitivity training program” being ordered by the courts in this computers future....

Perhaps the computer system will be invited to the Whitehouse for a “Beer Summit”.....


14 posted on 06/07/2012 8:41:48 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: OldNavyVet

“You’re not paranoid if they really are out to get you.”


15 posted on 06/07/2012 8:45:37 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ColdOne

“The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed—would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper—the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.”
~1984


16 posted on 06/07/2012 8:47:25 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ColdOne

17 posted on 06/07/2012 8:48:22 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

They’ll have THX 1138 robot police instead!


18 posted on 06/07/2012 8:56:28 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ColdOne

In my best Ron White voice...

“That’s profiling......... and profiling is WRONG!”


19 posted on 06/07/2012 9:04:50 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: ColdOne

These cameras will be racist.


20 posted on 06/07/2012 9:05:59 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: PghBaldy

“They are putting similar things in here in the US, including things which bark out orders.”

They already have those kinds of cameras in the UK. If they see you doing something wrong or acting in a suspicious manner the officer operating the camera will give you a verbal warning to stop whatever you are doing. Using computers will now automate the process.

The UK will soon be issuing speeding tickets to drivers using satellites in space.

http://mashable.com/2010/04/22/satellite-speeding-tickets/

I expect to see this happen in the USA soon. Where the UK goes the USA soon follows.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 9:06:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If the pranksters are really good at street theatre, they might get some cool you tube moments. Get out the fake blood and rubber knives, let’s audition for the show.

But they will probably make ‘punking the camera’ a crime.


22 posted on 06/07/2012 9:08:03 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: ColdOne

Telescreens?


23 posted on 06/07/2012 9:08:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: ColdOne
“computer eyes to find ‘pre crimes’ by detecting suspicious behaviour and calling for guards “

About time. Time to link this together with real time GPS databases.
Maybe a shutoff switch should be wired into all humans at birth??
The suspicious ones could just be turned if they start thinking wrong thoughts.
The world would be so much safer.

24 posted on 06/07/2012 9:09:37 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27"\)
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To: grumpygresh

Chances are the street theater actors will not desist when the real guns show up.

What was comedy becomes tragedy.

There will be much call volume for the hoodie crowd.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 9:12:36 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The UK will soon be issuing speeding tickets to drivers using satellites in space.

Hopefully, the British blokes will figure out how to launch a burning tyre into space.

26 posted on 06/07/2012 9:13:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
They already have those kinds of cameras in the UK. If they see you doing something wrong or acting in a suspicious manner the officer operating the camera will give you a verbal warning to stop whatever you are doing. Using computers will now automate the process.

Only a matter of time until a roboguard warns a couple of German Shepherds or Great Danes to knock it off, then out come the cops.

27 posted on 06/07/2012 9:16:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Navy Patriot

I could just see Brits joining together to fundraise to have a satellite built (and have it launched by SpaceX) to Gatso the traffic satellite! ROFLMAO!!!


28 posted on 06/07/2012 9:33:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Good idea. Robots with sticks!


29 posted on 06/07/2012 9:43:11 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: ColdOne

Who will tell the computer what is suspicious? Remember; Garbage in/Garbage out.


30 posted on 06/07/2012 9:44:20 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: PghBaldy

There are some people who consider San Fransisco to be part of the U.S., but I see your point.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 9:56:05 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: fella

All these futuristic electronic gizmos don’t frighten me. At the rate the ‘one’ is going there won’t be any power to run them and all will collapse. I’m looking forward to the big crash. Maybe it will put a stop to all the progressive plans for awhile.


32 posted on 06/07/2012 9:56:33 AM PDT by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: ColdOne

Maybe to be more efficient we can have “pre convictions”.

Make everyone do a little time in childhood as credit against future jail time.

That way we can better control the size of the prison population. Smooth out the curve, so to say.


33 posted on 06/07/2012 9:58:17 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: fruser1

>Make everyone do a little time in childhood as credit against future jail time.

What do you think Public School is?
Or, I suppose you could say that’s for the crime of having been born.


34 posted on 06/07/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I think those sticks have cattle prods on the ends of them. Kinda like the tasers of today!


35 posted on 06/07/2012 2:55:15 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If this ever comes to my area I will make it a priority to be arrested 365 consecutive days for absolutely nothing.


36 posted on 06/07/2012 3:08:32 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Groups of pranksters will probably get great sport out of “punking the camera” and bringing out the bobbies, with little or no actual crime being planned

They have bobbies in San Francisco?

37 posted on 06/07/2012 3:11:27 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That’s sort of what I thought. Somehow robots with long sticks seem scarier than ones with taser guns, however. This reminds me of something, it’s not a quote it’s a lyric:

You think you’ve private lives, think nothing of the kind. There is no true escape, I’m watching all the time. I’m made of metal. My circuits gleam. I am perpetual. I keep the country clean.


38 posted on 06/07/2012 4:47:59 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Cementjungle

The discussion veered off into what Britain is doing now.


39 posted on 06/07/2012 4:48:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: fella

This sounds like it’s way more ambitious than the capabilities of the equipment available. Computer vision even in advanced military applications is still very crude. The brain is vastly underestimated, IMHO. It works better to hire a grunt at $16 an hour to sit and stare at the screen and that’s probably what this thing will turn out to be, the computer vision claims notwithstanding.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 4:54:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: ScottinVA

Actually, I stumbled across a vid on YouTube where Rachel Madcow was questioning this same ‘pre-crime’ bit and even linked it to the idea of unlimited ‘detention’—without charges, indictment, or trial, much less conviction of an actual crime. When the Libs are starting to run scared of the monster they have created, you know it is bad.


41 posted on 06/08/2012 12:49:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ScottinVA
Link to youtube search results, because I didn't bookmark the one I saw. She has been all over the issue, and some time ago. link

Yes, even the lib media was talking about this crap.

42 posted on 06/08/2012 12:52:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Those lyrics are prescient in light of the computer technology we have today. Think of it as an electronic pan-opticon.

I consider THX 1138 to be prophetic in regards to the cattle prods on sticks which are the tazers of today. And we have cops that act more like robots than human beings.


43 posted on 06/08/2012 6:34:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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