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Boy Scouts review controversial anti-gay policy
MSNBC ^ | June 7, 2012 | Miranda Leitsinger

Posted on 06/07/2012 9:03:45 AM PDT by caldera599

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To: jboot; Scoutmaster

What’s astounding is the fact the LDS books are “cooked”.

They register every church member of Scouting age, regardless of activity or participation in the church or Scouting.

Yes, they do pay the registration $ to BSA, and this is where their influence comes to bear.

But the real numbers (active Scouts) outside of Utah and other heavily Mormon areas are probably closer to 1/3 of the registered numbers.


51 posted on 06/07/2012 12:25:21 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: caldera599
"Controversial?"

A decade ago, this was a completely normal and sane policy to have.

Controversial would be LETTING homos overrun the BSA.

52 posted on 06/07/2012 12:45:04 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: caldera599
My local paper wrote that the organization had no plans to change the policy any time soon.

It's always about the inevitability of the conquest by perversion with these media creeps.

53 posted on 06/07/2012 12:48:35 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: caldera599
Faggots molest boys.

No faggots in the Boy Scouts!

Good Lord, this should be obvious.

54 posted on 06/07/2012 12:49:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The Heritage Scouts were formed because the ideology of the leadership of the GSUSA was repellent to many families. There has never been a need, so far, for an alternative to the BSA. The Boy Scouts of America have been, and continue to be, physically strong, mentally alert, and morally straight.


55 posted on 06/07/2012 12:51:20 PM PDT by manforallseasons
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To: caldera599

No, next.


56 posted on 06/07/2012 12:54:49 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: caldera599
The new policy would throw out the national ban and allow local chartering organizations to decide whether or not they would accept gay youth and leaders, said Zach Wahls

No it will allow for the full force of the media, mobs, and lobbing groups to intimidate local groups not prepared for this. Which is what the liberals want.
57 posted on 06/07/2012 1:04:31 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: ArrogantBustard

They will be there. It’s matter of whether you know it.

Two-deep leadership is the key to success.


58 posted on 06/07/2012 1:07:27 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy
They will be there.

Sure ... same as the military. Or the priesthood. Or schoolteachers. Or football coaches. Or ...

That doesn't mean you should deliberately, willfully let them in, nor should you let them publicly parade their perversion in front of everybody.

Two-deep leadership is the key to success.

It sure helps. It works better if you don't let the organization get flooded with queers. "Two deep" does no good if they're both child-molesting sodomites.

59 posted on 06/07/2012 1:17:31 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jboot; Scoutmaster

Scoutmaster, jboot, is absolutely correct. Growing up (In Las Vegas), my family was very into scouting. Several of us were Eagles. The troop that all of my family attended (that did attend) was affiliated with a United Methodist church (well, 2 different ones, as the troop eventually split).

One of my uncles was in a high leadership position within the scouting program, and I also knew several “Latter-day Saints” in leadership positions. When the “homosexuals in scouting issues” came up in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints nearly cut it’s ties with the BSA. They began a program known as “Duty to God” (IIRC) which had many different goal to work towards (similar to BSA ranks/badges). It was being designed to correspond to an “Eagle rank” (for BSA), and there was to be no more encouragement to join BSA or affiliation with them. The BSA completely dropped any involvement in what we often term “The homosexual agenda.”

I heard at the time some figures too, but no longer recall them, but if I recall correctly the amount of funds from the BSA by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at the time was something like 1/3 or 1/2 (sizable is all I remember for sure). The “Duty to God” program remains, and is now somewhat supplemental to the BSA program. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also has drives often to donate through “Friends of Scouting.”

If the BSA was to ever to take up the homosexual agenda, they would rapidly hemorrhage scouts and funding. You can bank on that.


60 posted on 06/07/2012 1:58:11 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: jboot; Scoutmaster

Just an update, I found this from Wikipedia, it mentions enrollment, but not financials.
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“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a longtime supporter of the Boy Scouts of America, teaches that homosexual activity is immoral.[91] The LDS Church is the largest single sponsor of Scouting units with over 30,000 units nationwide, which comprise about 13% of BSA’s youth members.[6][92] The LDS Church has stated that it would withdraw from the Scouting program if it was ever compelled to accept openly homosexual Scout leaders.[6][93] This does not differ from the LDS Church policy of allowing “non practicing” self professed gay members to enjoy all the same rights and privileges as any other Church member.

The United Methodist Church, the second-largest sponsor of Scouting units, has taken no public position on the controversy surrounding allowing openly gay leaders in Scouting, although in recent years the Church itself has had an ongoing internal debate regarding whether or not to accept LGBT clergy.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies


61 posted on 06/07/2012 2:08:04 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

There hasn’t been a need for one, yet.


62 posted on 06/07/2012 2:34:22 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Actually, a change in policy will have the desired effect. What young man who follows the Scout Law would want to be associated with homosexuals?

Only those who hold their manhood cheap, the most liberal and the homos will remain, just the same tactic as they have used to destroy anything else.

63 posted on 06/07/2012 3:33:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ArrogantBustard

So far, the successful molesters have been successful at hiding. If a Scoutmaster comes to me and says he is gay, I know to keep my eye on him.
I’ve been a Scoutmaster for 6 years and I would rather know than not know.


64 posted on 06/07/2012 5:07:10 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy
You would rather not know?!

Be brave friend. A Scout is: trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and REVERENT.

Everyone in your unit trusts your loyalty to the Scout Law and to be brave enough to deal with those who choose not to live up to the high ideals which we all expect. Be brave! You are obliged under your Youth Protection Training to contact your Scout Executive at the first sign or suspicion of nefarious activity and let them take it from there. Be brave or be an abettor! p.s. I also am a Scoutmaster.

65 posted on 06/07/2012 10:18:22 PM PDT by i get it
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To: jboot

my scout troop is “sponsored” by a catholic church... in quotes because we get no monetary support, but a place and identity.

the BSA offers no monetary support, but an identity of which if it were to change the identity to something the troop could not identify with, then we would become our own entity.

we treat others like we want to be treated...

sexuality has not entered our tents.


66 posted on 06/08/2012 6:46:17 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: teeman8r
Very good.

But do not doubt for an instant that there are powerful people working every day to insert their diseased sexuality into any and all organizations where they are not curently "affirmed" and "celebrated". They are wealthy and influential and many good men will be sorely tempted to accomodate them. Stay vigilant.

67 posted on 06/08/2012 7:06:34 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: jboot

we will be...

keep fighting the good fight.

we are right.

t


68 posted on 06/08/2012 8:18:19 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: jboot; SZonian; JDW11235
A person's view depends upon where they are standing. JDW11235, I notice you say you were in Las Vegas. If the LDS Church were to drop BSA as the official program of its Young Men's program, certain Councils in the intermountain west would collapse. Other Councils would be crippled. Many Councils would feel it. Many BSA Councils (perhaps most, because LDS Scouting is so geographically weighted in the intermountain west) would simply blink.

Most of Boy Scouting operates at the Council level. The U.S. is split geographically like a jigsaw puzzle and there are slightly over 300 BSA "Councils", each of which owns BSA reservations/camps, provides programs for youth and adults (from weekend camp-o-rees, to extended high adventure trips, to COPE, sailing, shooting sports, and youth training weekends, to adult training weekends, and other programs).

Some of these programs are administered Council-wide and others through subunits called Districts, down to the units (packs, troops, crews, teams, ships).

A part of a Council's financial support comes from its Friends of Scouting campaign, but a large portion comes from corporate support within the Council.

There are only three Scout Councils in Utah, two in Nevada, and two in Arizona (the Greater Salt Lake Council is huge). The percentage of the funding of those Councils that come from LDS families, LDS Scout leaders, and LDS-owned or -controlled community businesses likely ranges from most to virtually all. In those Councils, and places like the Cascade Pacific Council in Oregon, you'll find a major LDS influence.

But the eight Councils in Florida (remember that there are over 300 Councils in the U.S.)? They don't operate based on LDS funds. Councils don't support each other financially and do the math. If LDS Scouts make up 12% or so of Scouts in the US (just a bit more than Methodists), and they're highly, highly concentrated in the intermountain west (Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado), in Councils where they may make up 50-90% of the Scouts, there are going to be 250 Councils where LDS Scouts make up a tiny, tiny percentage of the Scouts.

So if I were standing in Utah or Nevada and that was my experience in Scouting - I'd say "if the LDS left Scouting, it would collapse." I'd also say "Scouting gets all of its money from the LDS."

But if you've kicked the tires at the Regional and National level, you know that LDS Scouting is a valuable part of Scouting, but that Scouting would continue if the LDS withdraw.

. Look at the number of Councils outside the western region, consider the millions of boys (and girls in Venturing), the number of Scouters involved in those Councils, and try to reconcile the thought that withdrawal of the LDS would collapse the BSA.

69 posted on 06/08/2012 8:38:17 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: JDW11235; jboot; SZonian
LDS Scouting is an important part of Boy Scouting. However, as Szonian pointed out, LDS Scouting is unique and this leads to the statistics for LDS Scouting being unique.

The LDS Church has adopted a modified form of the Boy Scouting program as the official program of the church's Youth Men's program. As part of this, each ward automatically charters Scouting units, which is what leads to the number of LDS Scouting units being so high while the average number of youth per LDS unit is far below the national BSA average of youth per unit.

The number of LDS youth in Scouting is so high because its not exactly a youth choice. If you're a male LDS youth, Scouting is an official program of your Young Men's church program.

What you heard about financials is almost certainly true for certain Councils. It's not at all true for the BSA and the overwhelming majority of BSA Councils. I've served as the Council Commissioner of one of the BSA's largest Councils.

70 posted on 06/08/2012 9:28:39 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: i get it

“You would rather not know?!”


You’ve got it backwards; he wrote “I would rather know than not know.”


71 posted on 06/08/2012 10:37:51 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AU72
You'd better believe that if this was the case 20 years ago, it's increased expontially today!
72 posted on 06/08/2012 11:39:45 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Scoutmaster

You make some very fine points, and I agree with this post. I would just add that I didn’t say a lack of “Latter-day Saint” involvement with the BSA would collapse the BSA, I said:

“If the BSA was to ever to take up the homosexual agenda, they would rapidly hemorrhage scouts and funding. You can bank on that.”

Because my reply (and follow up) about funding and what I had heard were addressing a specific post, and I then ended with my broader point concerning the thread’s topic, I understand how it might seem like I meant that one would be direct result of the other, and apologize. I didn’t mean that. But I most certainly still stand by what I said, which is that if the BSA were to take up the homosexual agenda, they’d lose scouts across the board, regardless of religion and geographic region. No sane or rational person would ever let their child without supervision (one could argue with supervision, but I don’t think all homosexuals are proverbial “boogymen”) on an overnighter with one (or more, the horror!) homosexual adult males out in the wilderness. I cannot even imagine the thought. I remember there was a big flap in my troop because I sometimes shared a tent with my uncles at times (and initially cousin, but later my cousin became an adult, as he was 5 years older, and thus no longer a scout).

Some of the other scout leaders didn’t like the idea because it wasn’t my own father (even though they were still family!), I can only imagine their reaction to a homosexual leader. That’s the thrust of what I was saying.


73 posted on 06/08/2012 1:51:33 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: JDW11235
Then I agree with the thrust of what you said.

One member did say the BSA would collapse if the LDS pulled out of Scouting. That's when I entered this thread. My continued existence was to disagree with the idea that 50% of BSA funding comes from LDS sources. As I said, LDS Scouting is a valuable part of Scouting. How it looks in relation to the BSA as a whole is greatly skewed, however, if you're inside LDS Scouting as part of a Council with a strong LDS Scouting presence.

74 posted on 06/08/2012 2:49:54 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: caldera599

I’d encourage you to get involved to the extent you can. The degenerates are motivated and unless good people do something to stop them, they will prevail.


75 posted on 06/10/2012 3:54:39 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: jboot

I have read and herd the same thing. Every Mormon parish (forgot their term) will have a troop. Add this to the denominations who are faithful (Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Baptist, etc.) this should be fairly easy to shoot down.


76 posted on 06/10/2012 4:10:20 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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