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Gay Danish couples win right to marry in church
the Telegraph ^ | 6/7/2012 | Richard Orange

Posted on 06/07/2012 3:03:53 PM PDT by markomalley

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

Denmark's church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote "historic".

"I think it's very important to give all members of the church the possibility to get married. Today, it's only heterosexual couples."

Under the law, individual [Lutheran] priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local [Lutheran] bishop must arrange a replacement for their church.

The far-Right Danish People's Party mounted a strong campaign against the new law, which nonetheless passed with the support of 85 of the country's 111 MPs.

(snip)

Karsten Nissen, the [Lutheran] Bishop of Viborg, who is refusing to carry out the ceremonies, has warned that the new law risks "splitting the church".

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: denmark; homosexualagenda; religiouspersecution; tyranny
Please note: I inserted the [Lutheran] where appropriate to avoid confusion.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 3:04:01 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: wagglebee; Charles Henrickson; SmithL; rhema; lightman

ping (with a hearty congratulations to Bishop Nissen!)


2 posted on 06/07/2012 3:06:22 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Get real. The vast majority of gays are not in any way shape or form religious people. These types of demands on the clergy are done purely out of spite.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 3:13:05 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: markomalley

If I’m understanding this correctly, it’s just for the state church, not non-state churches and other non-state religious institutions(I’m sure it’s not for the mosques).


4 posted on 06/07/2012 3:14:30 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley

“What’s the big deal about letting to gays marry?” we are asked. Well, this is exactly what they have in mind. There is no end to what they’ll demand next.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 3:15:00 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: markomalley

It sounds like something is rotten in Denmark.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 3:15:00 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: markomalley

I predicted this would happen. This will spread ... coming soon to a church near you.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 3:15:19 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: formosa
These types of demands on the clergy are done purely out of spite.

Exactly!!!

8 posted on 06/07/2012 3:16:38 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: markomalley

eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww


9 posted on 06/07/2012 3:16:45 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: markomalley

Amen I say to the Bishop holding the line on civilization


10 posted on 06/07/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ReformationFan
If I’m understanding this correctly, it’s just for the state church, not non-state churches and other non-state religious institutions(I’m sure it’s not for the mosques).

This is precisely why Separation of Church and State is a very good thing.

11 posted on 06/07/2012 3:19:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: markomalley
"Denmark's church minister ... "

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why in this country we have the First Amendmen.

12 posted on 06/07/2012 3:20:02 PM PDT by magellan
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To: formosa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark#Religion

It looks like it’s declining every year. I figure it’s probably like a lot of state churches in Europe, i.e., folks show up for 3 reasons: to be baptized as a baby, to get married, and for their funeral.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 3:20:25 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: MNDude
if govt forces churches to "marry" two gays, then it can force two brothers to marry, a father and his 14 yro dtr, or two siblings, or a grandmother and her grandtr....

and why can't a man marry a goat if it makes him happy?

14 posted on 06/07/2012 3:22:56 PM PDT by cherry
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To: dfwgator

Amen. Of course, when this denomination starting ordaining women, they opened the doors to this sort of thing happening.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 3:28:10 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: MNDude
Here's how it all started:

Denmark has been a pioneer in gay rights since 1989, when it became the first country in the world to offer civil unions for gay couples.

16 posted on 06/07/2012 3:30:25 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: markomalley
It isn't clear from the article that this applies only to the "state religion". Do you know of any more on this issue?

What is clear is that Europe is so far Left as to not even be recognizable to Americans:

Stig Elling, a travel industry millionaire and former Right-wing politician, said he planned to marry his partner of 28 years next week.

17 posted on 06/07/2012 3:33:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: MNDude
“What’s the big deal about letting to gays marry?” we are asked. Well, this is exactly what they have in mind. There is no end to what they’ll demand next. I agree that, if wnd when gay marriage becomes widespread, they will try this here as well. But, without a state church, it won't be nearly as easy (as others have noted, this rule applies to the Danish state church only).
18 posted on 06/07/2012 3:34:17 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: markomalley
It isn't clear from the article that this applies only to the "state religion". Do you know of any more on this issue?

What is clear is that Europe is so far Left as to not even be recognizable to Americans:

Stig Elling, a travel industry millionaire and former Right-wing politician, said he planned to marry his partner of 28 years next week.

19 posted on 06/07/2012 3:47:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Here’s some more information about it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2892841/posts


20 posted on 06/07/2012 3:55:14 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Excellent and thanks. To call it a “church” is a stretch. I’m so glad we don’t have a State Church.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 3:59:12 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: markomalley

Write all of the laws you like.

It’s “my” building, and you’re not coming in.
How do you propose to force me to perform the ceremony?


22 posted on 06/07/2012 4:06:42 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: markomalley

Let that which God? has joined together...? They wouldn’t join together if they believed the word of God..but never mind...THey must be thinking,”in your face God!”


23 posted on 06/07/2012 4:14:45 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: markomalley

The Catholic Church isn’t perfect, but it is hard to maintain that Lutheranism is the true faith with this silliness (on top of female ministers and other progressive, post-Christian nonsense).


24 posted on 06/07/2012 4:24:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: markomalley

Well I know which scriptures I would be quoting in the sermon.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 4:25:44 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: MNDude
“What’s the big deal about letting to gays marry?” we are asked. Well, this is exactly what they have in mind. There is no end to what they’ll demand next.

Exactly right. And where did it start? Well, let's listen in to some FReeper posts...

"I have no problem with homosexuals per se."

"I have several friends who are homosexuals, and they're basically good people."

"What homosexuals do in private is not my concern."

"I don't discuss the subject with my homosexual acquaintances unless they bring it up."

What's the old saying?...In for a penny, in for a pound. I'd say the pounding is well underway.
26 posted on 06/07/2012 5:01:36 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: MNDude

Leftist are on a never ending crusader to abolish our freedom and force us to live by their ideological rules.

It is acts like this which only reinforce the fact that there can be no coexisting with leftist. They will not leave us alone! They will not stop until everyone is forced to abide by their arrogant and self-destructive believes!

They must be destroyed or we must become totally separate.


27 posted on 06/07/2012 6:45:41 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
“What’s the big deal about letting to gays marry?”

A marriage between people of the same sex is exactly the same as a marriage between beasts of the field. Marriage requires a man and a woman to be husband and wife. Anything else is nonsense.

28 posted on 06/07/2012 9:45:31 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy; the Obama way.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Not all Lutherans have gone the way of worldly compromise and heresy. There are several branches (synods) that remain true to the Bible. Many Lutherans no longer recognize the ELCA ( main Lutheran synod) as Lutheran or even Christian any longer. Individuals and entire congregations are leaving in droves. The largest true Lutheran church is the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.) There are several other smaller conservative synods as well.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 9:56:05 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: kearnyirish2

Not all Lutherans have gone the way of worldly compromise and heresy. There are several branches (synods) that remain true to the Bible. Many Lutherans no longer recognize the ELCA ( main Lutheran synod) as Lutheran or even Christian any longer. Individuals and entire congregations are leaving in droves. The largest true Lutheran church is the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.) There are several other smaller conservative synods as well.


30 posted on 06/07/2012 9:56:05 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: formosa

Our libtard parish in L.A. has a bi-annual gay mass and every fag from I don’t want to know where, suddenly show up en masse and act like it’s one party instead of being a solemn process. Now if it’s a normal mass for everyone, those same homos do not show up as I see the same old parishioners every time..

So to them, it’s gay FIRST, Christian second.


31 posted on 06/08/2012 12:12:45 AM PDT by max americana
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To: al_c; formosa; little jeremiah; wagglebee
[formosa] These types of demands on the clergy are done purely out of spite.

Exactly!!!



Very exactly. People who said, even five years ago, that this clear elision of "gay rights" into active persecution of faithful, "non-reconciling", Levitical Christians and Jews by homosexual activists would soon manifest itself, was denounced in the American LSM and gay propaganda as crackpots and "phobes".

Now things will become clear, and the homosexuals' hostility to matrimony and Judaeo-Christian morality will become blatantly obvious even to the inductively slothful and to liberal pollyannas.

32 posted on 06/08/2012 12:50:46 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: max americana
Max, which church is that? It seems three or four mainline churches are in danger of being pulled under by the gay/liberal cabal: Anglican/Episcopal (at least in North Amereica and the UK), Lutheran ELCA, United Methodist, and at least some of the Presbyterians, I don't know if there is a clear division becoming apparent yet there.

It looks like the RCC, Southern Baptists, Mormons, and the various evangelical churches (except for Rick Warren's Brokeback Church in Arizona) are pretty much out of reach of the cabal, and the Jewish Orthodox and Hasidim (but perhaps I repeat myself).

33 posted on 06/08/2012 12:59:05 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Think Rick Warren’s church is in southern Calif.,
not Arizona - yes - ?


34 posted on 06/08/2012 1:16:16 AM PDT by USARightSide ( SUPPORTING O U R TROOPS)
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To: USARightSide
I thot Rev Rickbaby's church is called "Saddleback" which is a reference to Saddleback Mtn. in central Phoenix, no?

I don't know of any other "Saddlebacks", but I suppose I could be wrong.

35 posted on 06/08/2012 1:20:22 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Mom MD

A friend of mine is a Lutheran minister here in NJ; he explained to me years ago that his synod didn’t have female ministers (never mind homosexuals). It seemed very de-centralized the way he explained it.


36 posted on 06/08/2012 2:39:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: markomalley; lightman; Belteshazzar; xone

it must be noted that the Danish “Lutheran” state church is not reflective of the conservative values in the conservative Lutheran churches in the US (the ELCA isn’t one of these....)


37 posted on 06/08/2012 4:04:51 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: 1010RD

“Europe” — sigh... no, not all of Europe — Western Euruope to a large extent yes, but not Central Europe or the East. Also within Western Europe there are places where things are not as dire


38 posted on 06/08/2012 5:27:17 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: markomalley

Denmark is a welfare state. 70% of the people live off the other 30%. The earners are tax poor and the loafers are fat dumb and unhappy. The government in Denmark is a hybrid socialist state with fascist tendencies to dictate how everyone eats, breaths, farts and spits. It’s no wonder that this has occurred. It will happen elsewhere, especially where the Church has kissed the states secular behind and kowtows to their dictates.


39 posted on 06/08/2012 5:37:09 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: LearsFool
"I have several friends who are homosexuals, and they're basically good people."

(I know it's not you, but the sentiment needs repudiated; people aren't "basically good*, they are in absolute need of a savior.)
The problem isn't homosexuality in itself, it's the acceptance and condoning of sin. Because sin is evil, to such an insidious degree that it warps our very thinking, to accept and condone it is to join with evil.

40 posted on 06/08/2012 7:55:08 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: markomalley; aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; ...


Lutheran Ping!

Glory to the Holy Trinity!

41 posted on 06/08/2012 5:37:35 PM PDT by SmithL (Lutheran Ping on behalf of lightman)
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To: dfwgator

“This is precisely why Separation of Church and State is a very good thing.”

Churches in the U.S.A. will lose their tax-exempt status for refusal to accomodate the wreckers of humane civilization.


42 posted on 06/08/2012 10:09:43 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: markomalley
Karsten Nissen, the Bishop of Viborg, who is refusing to carry out the ceremonies, has warned that the new law risks "splitting the church".

If there's still enough of a confessing church to be split from the apostates, that's good news.

43 posted on 06/09/2012 3:12:29 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Max, which church is that?”

Not even close to those u mentioned. Just your standard Catholic church right in the middle of Hollywood.


44 posted on 06/14/2012 8:20:52 AM PDT by max americana
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