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Pelosi: Those bishops suing HHS donít speak for the Catholic Church
Hot Air ^ | June 8, 2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 06/08/2012 9:28:06 AM PDT by C19fan

Today, a series of protests around the nation for religious freedom will take place, in part to support the 43 Catholic institutions and dioceses that have filed suit against the HHS contraception mandate as an unconstitutional incursion on the free expression of religion. CNS News went to the most important and well-informed Catholic in American politics to get her reaction to the lawsuit, and to find out whether she supports it:

“Well, I don’t think that’s the entire Catholic Church,” Pelosi responded. “Those people have a right to sue, but I don’t think they’re speaking ex cathedra for the Catholic Church. And there are people in the Catholic Church, including some of the bishops, who have suggested that some of this may be premature,” Pelosi said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; catholic; contraceptives; deathpanels; mandate; nancypelosi; obamacare; pelosi; popenancy; popepelosi; zerocare
Pelosi gets another F on Catholic theology. As the article pointed out only the Pope can issue a statement regarding dogma "ex cathedra" and the last one was in 1950 concerning the dogma of the assumption of Mary. Just a reminder Pelosi went to a Catholic University, Trinity U., in Washington, DC right near Catholic U. What did Jesus say about judging a tree from its fruits???
1 posted on 06/08/2012 9:28:20 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Who died and made Nasty Popess?
2 posted on 06/08/2012 9:30:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

this bugeyed blistex is gonna find out just how mad the Lord can get


3 posted on 06/08/2012 9:33:31 AM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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To: C19fan

Nancy, just because you have your name in some church record doesn’t make you an honest practicing Christian Catholic. You have been away from the church’s teaching for so long, you no longer know what the church stands for.


4 posted on 06/08/2012 9:33:44 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: C19fan

Pelosi is speaking ex-vagina on behalf of the Democratic party.


5 posted on 06/08/2012 9:38:13 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: C19fan

Piglousy deserves a heaping helping of STFU your excommunicated!


6 posted on 06/08/2012 9:39:55 AM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: C19fan

Nancy can spin the tenets of her faith until she’s blue in the faith, but when she will have to account for her stance on same to the Lord and Creator at judgment, she’ll be cast down to hell fast and furious by God!?


7 posted on 06/08/2012 9:42:32 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: C19fan

Wow “St. Pelosi”! Somebody please excommunicate her! I can’t believe the Church allows her to stick around she must have some dirty laundry on them.


8 posted on 06/08/2012 9:42:37 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: C19fan

The Catholic Church not excommunicating Pelosi is like 0bama not forcing Holder to resign.. It’s BAD for business!


9 posted on 06/08/2012 9:43:27 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: C19fan

Perhaps Nancy can tell us which official Catholic teaching endorses abortifacients, or paying for them for others?


10 posted on 06/08/2012 9:45:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: C19fan

That dumb twit thinks she speaks for the Catholic church. I got news for her


11 posted on 06/08/2012 9:46:07 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Obviously Bug eyes either has no Advisers, or Advisers that won't say no. She can't open her mouth without saying something horrendously stupid.
12 posted on 06/08/2012 9:47:23 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: C19fan; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; ...
RE :”“Well, I don’t think that’s the entire Catholic Church,” Pelosi responded. “Those people have a right to sue, but I don’t think they’re speaking ex cathedra for the Catholic Church. And there are people in the Catholic Church, including some of the bishops, who have suggested that some of this may be premature,” Pelosi said.

I think Pelosi is saying that since is a Catholic (so she says) she ‘Speaks’ for the Church, not the Bishops.

13 posted on 06/08/2012 9:49:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: C19fan

And the mighty crap philosopher speaks.


14 posted on 06/08/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is, as long as the Vatican fails to rebut Pelosi publicly, many people believe she is speaking for them.


15 posted on 06/08/2012 9:51:31 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: C19fan

She’s clearly coo-coo bananas. So, for that reason, I want her to continue lecturing the bishops as well as the faithful on the doctrines and, in deed, the very nature of the Church. Her madness only becomes more apparent.


16 posted on 06/08/2012 9:51:42 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: C19fan

No Communion for you Pelosi!


17 posted on 06/08/2012 9:59:03 AM PDT by dancusa (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L Menkin)
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To: C19fan

It would be nice if the Pope did address this issue ex cathedra. As for excommunication, I doubt it would have any more effect upon Pelosi than would a hysterectomy.


18 posted on 06/08/2012 9:59:23 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: C19fan

“Those bishops suing HHS don’t speak for the Catholic Church”

Huuh...?


19 posted on 06/08/2012 10:10:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: thethirddegree

We got a winner!


20 posted on 06/08/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: davius
As for excommunication, I doubt it would have any more effect upon Pelosi than would a lobotomy.

Fixed that for you.

21 posted on 06/08/2012 10:14:13 AM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: C19fan

Just like the Pope doesn’t speak for the Catholic Church on abortion.

Oh, wait. He does.


22 posted on 06/08/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: dancusa
Just for the record, that photo of the exceedingly evil Pelosi is NOT from a church. Its a photo of her IN SYRIA being far more respectful of Islam than she ever is of Christianity.

Oh, and she is illustrated here with her good buddy, the blood thirsty socialist mass murdering gangster tyrant ruler of Syria.


23 posted on 06/08/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: C19fan

Thank you, Your Impudence....


24 posted on 06/08/2012 10:22:47 AM PDT by mikrofon ("More Infallible Than BXVI")
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To: sickoflibs

Who would want a person who looks like a wax museum ‘walking dead’ exhibit that just came to life acting as their spokesman? I thank my lucky stars that Pelosi doesn’t agree with me on anything.

I may not like certain Republicans because they’re too leftist for my liking, but at least they can articulate a thought without their eyes being glazed over, their arms extended out in front of them, and exhibiting a lurching advance at the time of their presentation.

The leadership of the Left in the U. S. is made up of these types or someone who received their degree and never spent a day in the private sector in their lives, and looks at us as if doing so makes one unclean and unworthy of being heard.

And then there’s the Kenyan, who accomplished nothing in his personal life, which qualified him perfectly to accomplish nothing in his public life.

He was gifted his positions by a political apparatus that manipulated the masses for him.

Hell hath no fury like that of a spurned woman..., or a spurned Leftist ideologue. One can only imagine what this Kenyan will have to deal with, once he is no longer someone whose crew has to inflate him each morning before he starts his day.

Good luck with that Barack. You’re the Cinderfella whose glass slipper will be tossed in the trash bin...

Don’t stand by the phone waiting for it to ring. It won’t.

Pelosi, you’re just breaths away from the same fate. Enjoy the spotlight will you can. Soon you’ll be sitting at home while folks fondly remember you as Nancy Who?


25 posted on 06/08/2012 10:28:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I posted that picture because I KNEW it was from Pelosi’s dhimmi appearance in Syria. Excommunicate her now!


26 posted on 06/08/2012 10:29:56 AM PDT by dancusa (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L Menkin)
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To: C19fan

She’s delusional. And demented


27 posted on 06/08/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: C19fan

I really don’t understand why the Pope doesn’t score a double and excommunicate Pelosi and Biden.


28 posted on 06/08/2012 10:38:11 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: erod

——Wow “St. Pelosi”! Somebody please excommunicate her! I can’t believe the Church allows her to stick around she must have some dirty laundry on them.——

More likely that they’re closet socialists or Marxists, who were trained in the sixties & seventies.


29 posted on 06/08/2012 10:41:16 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Don’t stand by the phone waiting for it to ring. It won’t.

Unless of course it's one of those special phone calls from Mossad.

30 posted on 06/08/2012 10:45:43 AM PDT by Blado (Obama's brain is a coprolite from the Late Soviet Era.)
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To: liberalh8ter
The problem is, as long as the Vatican fails to rebut Pelosi publicly, many people believe she is speaking for them.

Silence equals acceptance which leads to reduced membership.

31 posted on 06/08/2012 10:50:29 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: C19fan

I can just see Pelousi when she gets to meet Jesus:

“Well, You don’t speak for....whoops.”

Somewhere, a Cardinal is not doing his duty.


32 posted on 06/08/2012 10:56:57 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: C19fan

Now I know she’s lost it.


33 posted on 06/08/2012 10:58:13 AM PDT by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: thethirddegree

Won’t pass that on to my kids, but WOW—best post of the year!


34 posted on 06/08/2012 10:59:48 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE:”Good luck with that Barack. You’re the Cinderfella whose glass slipper will be tossed in the trash bin...
Don’t stand by the phone waiting for it to ring. It won’t.
Pelosi, you’re just breaths away from the same fate. Enjoy the spotlight will you can. Soon you’ll be sitting at home while folks fondly remember you as Nancy Who?

Sounds like glass half empty. So what are their good points?? :)

Dems got too used to the R primary hurting Romney and easily making Rs in congress look like fools. It was too easy for them up till recently. Now that the primary is over and Obama's so called 'marriage equality' has united many so-cons with other Republicans against Obama along with the worsening economy, and Walker kicking their butts as well as the MSM asking them questions, Dems are terrified getting a real race on their hands.

35 posted on 06/08/2012 11:00:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: C19fan

“And there are people in the Catholic Church, including some of the bishops, who have suggested that some of this may be premature,” Pelosi said.”

Name names little witch. Oh, you can’t because you made it up ?


36 posted on 06/08/2012 11:03:09 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: C19fan

Well, not exactly. Each bishop in his own diocese teaches ex cathedra. The papal ex cathedra is a phantom. The pope teaches with varying degrees of definiteness. He makes the degree of definitiveness apparent by the language he uses.

He doesn’t have to use the words “ex cathedra” in issuing a teaching in order for the teaching to be infallible and irreformable. He teaches “from the chair” in a lot of instances where he does not claim the highest level of definitiveness.

If you want to see what defnitive infallible language looks like, look at Evangelium Vitae (1995). It contains three infallible, irreformable teachings (that taking of innocent human life is always wrong, nothing can make it right; that abortion is an instance of taking of innocent human life, that euthanasia is an instance of the same).


37 posted on 06/08/2012 11:09:46 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: liberalh8ter

Actually, no.

There is no way to effectively rebut her. If she were excommunicated, she’d use the same tactic: who sez I’m excommuinicated? Just cuz some lousy bishop says I’m excommunicated don’t mean I’m excommunicated.

And the media will take her side. The bishops threw away their ability to excommunicate by not using it years ago.

Now this idea that the Catholic Church’s authority rests in the majority of its members is deeply engrained. The bishops, to Pelosi and to all the movers and shakers in this society, are just figureheads, ceremonial fools behind the times. The “real Church” is with progressives like her.

Yes, that’s idiotic. But it’s only idiotic to us. To most people today, it convinces. THat’s why she says it. It works.

And NOTHING anyone can say will change the mind of most of the people in this country. The meme that the hierarchy of the Church is behind the times, hopelessly benighted, meaningless, has taken root.

I agree that she should be excommunicated. But that will only carry weight with the people who already know she’s a fraud. She will turn her eventual excommunmication into a badge of honor among most of the chattering class. When she is finally excommunicated it will only prove to the cognoscenti that the Church is
hopelessly
behind
the
times.

Only a bunch of eeeeeevvvvviiiiiilllllll benighted stoooopppppiiidddd men would excommunicate her. So her excommunication proves the Church is stoooooppppiiiiidddd and benighted.

There is no way to win this one. The only way out is through the fire.


38 posted on 06/08/2012 11:16:46 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Digger

I feel your frustration—remember Vatican II? But if the Church took steps to refute all the junk theology out there, individually, it’d have time & resources for nothing else. If there were any doubt about what the Church teaches on the issues Nancy feels she must address, there’d be no fuss whatsoever about what she’s preaching. Because there’s a “fuss,” it must be pretty clear where the Church stands, thus obviating any need for clarification from the bishops. The way I see it (and it’s probably not exactly the most charitable reaction), she’s not worth an excommunication.


39 posted on 06/08/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: sickoflibs; C19fan; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO
I think Pelosi is saying that since is a Catholic (so she says) she ‘Speaks’ for the Church, not the Bishops.

The Pope and Nancy Pelosi are on the same stage in front of a huge crowd.

The Madame Speaker and The Pope, however, have seen it all before.

To make it a little more interesting, Madame Speaker says to the Pope, "Did you know that with just one little wave of my hand I can make every Democrat in the crowd go wild?"

He doubts it, so she shows him. Sure enough, the wave elicits rapture and cheering from every Democrat in the crowd. Gradually, the cheering subsides.

The Pope, not wanting to be outdone by such a level of arrogance, considers what he could do...

"That was impressive, the Pope says, "But did you know that with just one little wave of MY hand I can make many people in the crowd, and many around the world, go crazy with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display like that of your subjects, but will go deep into their hearts, and they will forever speak of this day and rejoice."

The speaker seriously doubts this, and says so. "One little wave of your hand and so many people will rejoice forever? Show me."

So the Pope slapped her.

40 posted on 06/08/2012 11:19:25 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: mo

No, she’s playing a very smart political game. She knows the Catholic Church is now a persecuted minority. She knows the bishops have no de facto authority, that they are paper tigers as far as the mainstream culture is concerned. She knows they know that and that for that reason, they either remain impotently silent or the speak, equally impotently.

She holds all the cards, culturally and politically speaking.

Of course, sub specie aeternitatis, she’s up against Someone who won’t be taken in by her meme.

But she probably doesn’t even believe in that Someone. She’s created her own Someone after her own image. Some day she’ll learn the truth, but right now, in human and political terms, she holds the cards and the bishops are essentially helpless.

They need to act but when they do, it will only bring on more direct persecution because the only Catholics who will listen to them and stick with them will be the ones marching with them to prison. The rest of the pseudo-Catholics will become enthusiastic prison camp guards.


41 posted on 06/08/2012 11:21:43 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: C19fan

Pelosi killed off a LOT of farmers( for a danged river smelt) in California’s central valley. She killed off a lot more contractors for a field mouse in the South Bay, and she’s killing freedom to worship and freedom to CHOSE in the biggest church on the planet. She speaks for no one except the little imp in her neurotoxin imploding cranium.


42 posted on 06/08/2012 11:23:34 AM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Karliner

I have no respect for Pelosi, but if she is lucky enough to make a sincere confession on her death bed and receive the last rites, she will have as much of a chance of heaven as any of us do.
She may have to spend a long time in Purgatory, but at somepoint she will be allowed in heaven.


43 posted on 06/08/2012 11:46:14 AM PDT by LilRhody
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
More likely that they’re closet socialists or Marxists, who were trained in the sixties & seventies.

Very good chance, that some, not all, in the Church have socialist tendencies, the Bishop of Washington, DC comes to mind.

44 posted on 06/08/2012 12:11:28 PM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: C19fan

pelosi spend an incredible amount of time whistling past the graveyard.


45 posted on 06/08/2012 3:28:20 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: C19fan

Nancy, they do!


46 posted on 06/08/2012 3:41:59 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


47 posted on 06/08/2012 5:52:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (There are more false flag operations on FR than there are in Syria (where the number is near zero).)
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To: C19fan

Nancy has been fed this lie by communist/socialist Priests and Nuns. They need to be taken out of politics.


48 posted on 06/08/2012 8:43:21 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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