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'End of the world as we know it': Kaspersky warns of cyber-terror apocalypse
RT.com ^ | June 6, 2012 | Sergey Guneev

Posted on 06/08/2012 9:46:07 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim

After his eponymously-named lab discovered Flame, "the most sophisticated cyber weapon yet unleashed," Eugene Kaspersky believes that the evolving threat of “cyber terrorism” could spell the end of life on Earth as we know it.

­Doomsday scenarios are a common occurrence in 2012, but coming from a steely-eyed realist like Eugene Kaspersky, his calls for a global effort to halt emerging cyber threats should raise alarm bells.

A global Internet blackout and crippling attacks against key infrastructure are among two possible cyber-pandemics he outlined.

"It's not cyber war, it's cyber terrorism, and I'm afraid the game is just beginning. Very soon, many countries around the world will know it beyond a shadow of a doubt,” Kaspersky told reporters at a Tel Aviv University cyber security conference.

“I'm afraid it will be the end of the world as we know it," he warned. "I'm scared, believe me."

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One more reason to "be prepared"...

I forwarded this story to a close friend of mine... a fellow who helped build much of the infra-structure of the internet... (back in the day)... he is, truly, a computer genius who is now retired, fabulously wealthy, hikes for months at a time and writes Iphone apps, for fun. His reply scared me more than the article.... I will post it in the next reply.

1 posted on 06/08/2012 9:46:18 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Scary. Okay folks what is the “be prepared” list!


2 posted on 06/08/2012 9:50:58 AM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Bookmark.


3 posted on 06/08/2012 9:52:01 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

um... are you seriously going to leave us hanging like that?????????????????


4 posted on 06/08/2012 9:55:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: sneakers

Bump


5 posted on 06/08/2012 9:55:39 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

bookmark ...


6 posted on 06/08/2012 9:55:39 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
As for the cyber threat, I'm sorry to report that I do track that stuff closely and the threat is very real -- the hackers are way way ahead and populace just doesn't seem to be able to understand the nature of the threat and how they personally play into it. I've been trying to explain this stuff since the mid 80s (when we were fighting our first hackers) but there just seems to be no way to get it through to the vast majority and that goes even for most software engineers. I've had to force engineers look at traces of hacker activity coming at their own code before they saw the light .. and it is like a light going on in their heads when they finally come to imagine all programming and network transactions as adversarial.

And so the various big players quietly go along exploring, cataloging, mapping, planting, testing, ... building the arsenal. So take my app. As far as we've been able to determine, there are no Chinese nationals hiking the ___ this year. Yet, with each release of the code a significant number of the downloads and freaking app updates(!) are coming from China. So I guess the thing is getting picked apart to see if it generates a vulnerability into iPhones that someday the right person in the right place (for them) might have installed so that they can take advantage of it. Now I've gone to pains to make sure there is no such exposure but WTF!?! ..

Unfortunately, at this point there is very little you can personally do other than protect yourself from the small time hackers through conventional means and to keep in mind that it's not you, personally, the big guys are after -- they are after the information and systems that you and your machines have access to. And by information I mean everything from org charts to chemical processing details to what the names and interests of your children are. And keep in mind that it's not humans directly doing this (except on rare occasions) but is robotic software just exploring, logging, cataloging, and correlating with human guides. Also keep in mind that they are particularly mapping out social and organizational relationships so that when the communication saying to do X or provide Y is received by you (or apparently sent by you) that it is believed and acted upon.

One of the primary things people misunderstand when they imagine this stuff is to put things in terms of humans trying to break into their accounts and computers when instead it is automatons with infinite patience, persistence, and cataloging capabilities.

So this is the actual world we live in today. For awhile I thought about officially entering this arena on the defense side but I decided that these positions tend to be soul sucking and generally unappreciated. The interesting work is being done by youngsters with doctorates. And so, for now, I just work hard attempting to not add to the mess by being very careful with my own development work. And, occasionally, I let out rants like this and stay clear of facebook .. ;-)

7 posted on 06/08/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Mr. K
:-) Sorry, Mrs. K. Before I posted it, I wanted to make sure I wasn't giving away too much personal information. I think, my friend would be OK with me sharing this...

I think.. preparing for a failed power grid is probably the way to think about planning.

8 posted on 06/08/2012 9:58:35 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Eugene Kaspersky believes that the evolving threat of “cyber terrorism” could spell the end of life on Earth as we know it.

Oh please. First of all, humans did quite nicely before electronic technology came along.

Second, humans do not represent all life on Earth. Human civilization will be affected, surely.


9 posted on 06/08/2012 9:58:35 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

That’s a world view absent of the knowledge of the historicity of a resurrected Christ, in whom ALL THINGS are under His authority.


10 posted on 06/08/2012 10:02:34 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
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11 posted on 06/08/2012 10:04:51 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Have noticed (as of lately) have to call the children to see if an email was actually sent from them. Have received one (recently) had to delete (did not open). Was not from one of the children.


12 posted on 06/08/2012 10:06:54 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“I’m afraid it will be the end of the world as we know it,” he warned, and then added, “but I feel fine.”


13 posted on 06/08/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Go out on your deck and read a book.


14 posted on 06/08/2012 10:12:41 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

What was his reply?


15 posted on 06/08/2012 10:12:58 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: SomeCallMeTim

16 posted on 06/08/2012 10:14:03 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Look, here's the deal.

I know you track this stuff, but I am here to tell you, my code is 100% bulletproof against any and all hackers.

17 posted on 06/08/2012 10:15:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Eugene Kaspersky believes that the evolving threat of “cyber terrorism” could spell the end of life on Earth as we know it.

LOL! Well, those are HIS words, not mine... I would agree that it is hyperbole, except for the qualifier.. "as we know it". Certainly, things could be made MUCH different than what we know now.

Seriously... I think the power grid is very vunerable. Just losing power, broadly, in the US would be a first rate disaster.

18 posted on 06/08/2012 10:16:57 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Eugene Kaspersky believes that the evolving threat of “cyber terrorism” could spell the end of life on Earth as we know it.

LOL! Well, those are HIS words, not mine... I would agree that it is hyperbole, except for the qualifier.. "as we know it". Certainly, things could be made MUCH different than what we know now.

Seriously... I think the power grid is very vunerable. Just losing power, broadly, in the US would be a first rate disaster.

19 posted on 06/08/2012 10:17:12 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Lazamataz
ah Laz, nothing is 100% is it? Remembering 911 and all those 100%ers saying it could not happen here. Remember?
20 posted on 06/08/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Lazamataz
I am here to tell you, my code is 100% bulletproof against any and all hackers.

You willing to make that guarantee for ALL programmers??

BTW, Laz... would you hit post 16??

21 posted on 06/08/2012 10:21:31 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: coon2000
Go out on your deck and read a book.

Till susnset, anyway... :-)

I'm really not much a conspiracy nut. I mean, what can we do really? I DO have a Facebook account.

But, I am really trying to prepare for extended power outages... There are LOTS of ways that can happen.

22 posted on 06/08/2012 10:24:35 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: proud American in Canada
What was his reply?

Post #7

6 Freepers were faster than me!

23 posted on 06/08/2012 10:29:33 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
BTW, Laz... would you hit post 16??

I can't speak for Laz, but she strikes me as one of those controlling high-maintenance chicks. No thanks. Been there, done that. Here's the benefit of the insights I've learned over four decades of experience:

In my 20's I wondered what she'd look like naked.
In my 30's, I wondered what she'd be like in bed.
In my 40's, I wondered what she'd look like without make-up.
In my 50's, I finally realized that the most important thing is what she'd look (and sound) like when she was angry at me.

24 posted on 06/08/2012 10:30:54 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Cell phones and the Internet are fragile and totally susceptible to biggov control and failure.

Funny how some people mock amateur (Ham) radio.

When they say if sh*t hits the fan, it will be one of the few things that actually work, they are not joking.


25 posted on 06/08/2012 10:31:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Switch to Linux.

Problem solved.


26 posted on 06/08/2012 10:35:10 AM PDT by Blado (Obama's brain is a coprolite from the Late Soviet Era.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
prepare for extended power outages...

No doubt ... there is poison in the darkness.

27 posted on 06/08/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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I’ve read that the detection profile could be developed relatively quickly, which will cause rejection before it gets into your system. But it may take “months or years” to develop a removal tool.


28 posted on 06/08/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
You willing to make that guarantee for ALL programmers??

Yes.

BTW, Laz... would you hit post 16??

Yes.

29 posted on 06/08/2012 10:45:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Just losing power, broadly, in the US would be a first rate disaster.

Agreed. I'm ready.

At a recent Town Meeting, the Sewer Commission chairman gave a presentation for the need to replace a few large pumps at the local Sewage Treatment facility.

I spoke with him after the meeting to get an idea of how prepared they were for a real...I mean a REAL disaster. While trying not seem like a Doomsday nut, I asked him..."What if the grid went down? How long could you operate and pump sewage from residences and stay on top of things?"

He said they have plenty of backup power generation capability and that they have fuel suppliers available at a moments notice in an emergency. He went on about how well they did during the last big hurricane and blah, blah, blah.

As delicately as I could I asked, "But what if your fuel suppliers have no fuel? How long could you operate?"
His reply? One week. Tops.

I am now working on getting a check valve installed in the main sewer line that runs out of my house. Right where it enters the house. When TSHTF I do not want it flowing back into my house and out the toilet...after...it hits the fan, so to speak.

30 posted on 06/08/2012 10:58:06 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz (just for you) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqiohbg61IA
31 posted on 06/08/2012 11:01:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; SomeCallMeTim

“Oh please. First of all, humans did quite nicely before electronic technology came along. Second, humans do not represent all life on Earth. Human civilization will be affected, surely.”

I don’t like being the party-pooper but you have to understand that it’s not the loss of technology that is so frightening. It is the fact that we now have electronically controlled automatic weapons that can vaporize the entire surface of the planet several times over. As far as we know, this was never a part of world history until about 50 years ago. The internet for most citizens is less than 30 years old. The combination of the two can be utterly devastating.

It helps me sleep at night thinking that most of these systems are very very secure and completely separate from outside connections. But remember, it only takes the breach of one system by a suicidal hacker to start a global nuclear exchange. With the tiny wireless chips and drones of today, even an off-line system can be remotely compromised. Also, human stupidity is more vast than the universe…


32 posted on 06/08/2012 11:12:14 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: SomeCallMeTim
“I'm afraid it will be the end of the world as we know it," he warned. "I'm scared, believe me."

Yeah, but, like, does this mean FR will slow down again? And what about youtube? Can I still watch Adele videos and stuff?

33 posted on 06/08/2012 11:14:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Sow the wind...reap the whirlwind!)
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To: Salvavida
"That’s a world view absent of the knowledge of the historicity of a resurrected Christ, in whom ALL THINGS are under His authority.

No, not necessarily. Just one that doesn't know the end of the story as you and I know it. I can and do totally believe it AND agree with your proclamation. Think about it, as a Software Engineer, I TOTALLY see the slow creep of things setting in place for HOW the Tribulation can and will take place. How else do you think "All men, great and small, rich and poor could not buy or sell without the Mark of the Beast" will be possible. Only by a worldwide infrastructure meltdown in which totalitarian governments tell the feared masses the only way to survive is complete control and rationing. The meltdown Kaspersky describes, unbeknownst to him, is just the catalyst to make the above fulfillment of what is prophesized in the Book Of Revelation.

It's not a matter of IF - but WHEN. The HOW is being put into place slowly but surely.
34 posted on 06/08/2012 11:37:15 AM PDT by time4good
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Remember Y2K? Seriously, go outside and read a book. the grid can go down today, you will not die immediately. You will be warmer in the summer, colder in the winter.

Read a book, take a walk, communicate with your family. Not a big deal.


35 posted on 06/08/2012 11:52:53 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Remember Y2K? Seriously, go outside and read a book. the grid can go down today, you will not die immediately. You will be warmer in the summer, colder in the winter.

Read a book, take a walk, communicate with your family. Not a big deal.


36 posted on 06/08/2012 11:52:57 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I have a relative who was having computer problems.

He called the helpline and was working the problem with some guy in Malaysia. The helpline guy finally said, “I think the problem may require a hard boot.”

He then proceeded to TURN OFF THE POWER TO THE HOUSE. I guess it is the “smart meter” tech, but now some guy in another country can turn off the power to your house.

We are in deep doo doo.

What if they use signals sent through the power grid to activate the backdoors they built into our computer chips?

Yikes! I gotta get a solar power/battery backup for my off-grid computer!


37 posted on 06/08/2012 11:57:44 AM PDT by darth
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To: coon2000

I am really getting tired of this “Y2K” no big deal. We worked day and night before the roll over to make sure our systems located in hospitals did not crash. We had run the date forward in the labs, and the system crashed. A lot of people worked a lot of hours so smart guys can spout off, not knowing how close they dodged a bullet.


38 posted on 06/08/2012 12:21:57 PM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: GoCards
Scary. Okay folks what is the “be prepared” list!

You don't know the "half of it." Most is classified...

For starters, keep at least a few weeks worth of cash on hand and never use your debit card online; use only a CC or Paypal.

39 posted on 06/08/2012 12:22:28 PM PDT by Errant
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To: dragnet2
Funny how some people mock amateur (Ham) radio.

When they say if sh*t hits the fan, it will be one of the few things that actually work, they are not joking.

Indeed. Many people should consider buying a multiband radio even if they don't yet have an amateur broadcast license - just for learning how to listen.

Besides, in a real SHTF scenario, official call signs will probably be shelved for the duration.

40 posted on 06/08/2012 12:57:37 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Absolutely, and agree on the call signs!

No doubt about it.


41 posted on 06/08/2012 1:06:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gadsden1st
I am really getting tired of this “Y2K” no big deal. We worked day and night before the roll over to make sure our systems located in hospitals did not crash

Same here... Back then, I actually was working in the process control field in a chemical plant. I was the Y2K Project Coodinator. We worked dilegently for more than a year, spent more than $1MM upgrading systems, and re-writing code to avoid problems that WERE REAL.... before we fixed them.

I spent that entire night and day watching the time zones change... and, we PARTIED heartily, the next day. :-)

42 posted on 06/08/2012 1:13:05 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: coon2000
Remember Y2K? Seriously, go outside and read a book. the grid can go down today, you will not die immediately. You will be warmer in the summer, colder in the winter.

Read a book, take a walk, communicate with your family. Not a big deal.

Have you ever lived in a hurricane region, where power is out for an extended time? It sucks..

You're right... we didn't all die. But then, we had plenty of food and water being sent in from other areas. What if there ARE no other areas? People today cannot grow their own food. With just-in-time shipping everywhere, food would become scarce very quickly.

I'm not losing any sleep over this.... but, I AM working on a plan. Hopefully, it never happens in my lifetime. But, it COULD also happen this afternoon.

43 posted on 06/08/2012 1:18:28 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: time4good

I agree with you. But I speak to the hopelessness and overall gloom Kapersky puts forward. If anything, we should be looking up as our redemption draws near. Even cyber terrorism is under the authority of Christ. He is our hope, not any government.

Blessings to your house.


44 posted on 06/08/2012 2:05:42 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

A good article, thank you for posting it.

I left the biz several years ago, but what I saw then is really nothing to what is able to be done now via the net. I remember well a demonstration where a remotely monitored oil pipeline pump was sabotaged via a relatively minor change to the code. The result was quite amazing though. Big Boom, real big.


45 posted on 06/08/2012 3:37:20 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man; Lazamataz
A good article, thank you for posting it.

I'm no computer expert... my friend is. He knew Steve Jobs... worked for Steve Case. But, he was a guy that actually DID coding and built things..

If he says the threat is real, I believe it. Nothwithstanding, Laz's personal guarantee! ;-)

46 posted on 06/09/2012 6:59:12 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Maceman
In my 50's, I finally realized that the most important thing is what she'd look (and sound) like when she was angry at me.

LOL... a whole new way to look at the world! Awesome advice.

47 posted on 06/09/2012 7:00:46 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Maceman

Maceman - at age fifty you still haven’t figured out what pisses off the women in your life?? LOL


48 posted on 06/09/2012 8:08:07 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
Maceman - at age fifty you still haven’t figured out what pisses off the women in your life?? LOL

It's not about what pisses them off -- that's different for every woman. It's about how they handle being pissed off. For example, imagine you're dating Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham (or Heaven forfend, Michelle Obama). How much fun do you think it would be to have either one of THEM pissed off at you?

I prefer women who are soft spoken and reasonable, who don't scream or project all their past abuse trauma on me.

My current girlfriend, who I met two years ago, is very good at rationally expressing when she has a problem with something I've done. We've somehow managed to work out whatever issues have arisen with no drama, no arguments, no yelling, no emotional manipulation and no sublimated sulking. It's one of the many reasons I know I will love her forever.

49 posted on 06/09/2012 8:29:38 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I think.. preparing for a failed power grid is probably the way to think about planning.

That was the FIRST thing I was expecting to fail in a SHTF scenario- and I am a computer systems engineer for a living, I know a litle about these things- <> I am woried about is how to store enough gas (safely) to run my generator at least a couple of hours per day (to keep the freezer running, etc

I agree with him 100% on that) for at least a year

50 posted on 06/09/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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