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The US Will Re-Open Massive Philippine Bases Not Occupied Since The Cold War (Clark and Subic Bay)
Business Insider ^ | 6/8/12 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 06/08/2012 10:36:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker

With the U.S. moving the majority of its naval fleet to the Pacific, commanders are eagerly looking for invitations to park the planes and ships that will be pouring into the region.

Travis Tritten at Stars and Stripes reports that the Pentagon has apparently been fanning the old flame of friendship with the Philippines and will be re-opening two bases it left in 1991 — Subic Bay and Clark Air Base.

The U.S. had a falling out with the island nation in the early nineties and pulled out of the bases, which were then built-up by a series of private developers and builders. How useful what's left is a matter of debate, but the locations used to be major centers of operation for American forces in the Pacific.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bases; china; clark; clarkafb; clarkairbase; pacific; pacificfleet; philippine; philippinebases; philippines; phillipines; subic; subicbay
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To: Bob

If it tastes good who cares what it is - as long as it’s legal.

Lots of folks in the US will not eat goat, mutton or deer. Silly them.


51 posted on 06/09/2012 2:28:02 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: chasio649

“You’re right..no corruption or ruling elite..i’m sorry...carry on
________________________________________
Don’t be snarky.
All countries, especially third world countries have corruption, almost as bad as the Obamination.
I have not been affected by any corruption, but please elaborate your experiences here.
Inquiring minds would like to know.


52 posted on 06/09/2012 3:24:00 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: LibWhacker

did someone from the Marcos family take over???

a Ferdinand or Imelda Junior perhaps?


53 posted on 06/09/2012 3:43:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: LibWhacker

the Baluts are on me!


54 posted on 06/09/2012 3:45:08 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: LibWhacker
these bases are already used for civilian purposes, so we can't "give them back".

Clark Freeport Zone is now a civilian airport, a telecom center and has an industrial park. Come over for our "balloon" festival, or stay there at a hotel when you come for an ecovacation to Mt. Pinatubo

I'm less familiar with Subic, but they have a ship building business up there, and lots of folks drive up there from Manila to shop for bargains, since it is a "free port" i.e. duty free.

55 posted on 06/09/2012 3:49:49 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LibWhacker

I need another 4 years so lets start something in the pacific so I can continue to borrow money from you


56 posted on 06/09/2012 3:50:20 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s the 70’s all over again.

Can’t wait until Obama puts all the B-52s on nuclear alert again.

October Surprise: Bombing Iran. Carter II, the Sequel


57 posted on 06/09/2012 3:53:02 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Billthedrill; TexasTransplant
You mean they just read about (so-called) "Christian Science?"
58 posted on 06/09/2012 3:57:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: LibWhacker

I seem to remember that the Filipinos kicked us out and then immediately regretted it after their economy collapsed without any American money fueling it.


59 posted on 06/09/2012 4:17:59 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: piasa

Thanks for that. I was unaware of that development.


60 posted on 06/09/2012 4:36:16 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Psalm 144

I am guessing they do not want to speak chineese........OIL is in the basin there and the Chicoms want it......imagine that.


61 posted on 06/09/2012 5:27:23 AM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: LibWhacker

Just another LIE by the minor Zero. Remember his promise to cut the military and remove them from foreign bases, now he wants to reopen more of them. What a loser and moron.


62 posted on 06/09/2012 5:40:17 AM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Vaquero

Ping!


63 posted on 06/09/2012 5:45:43 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: TexasTransplant
I’ll go back! So would I.

Fond memories of my many USAF TDY's at Clark in the 60's.

The only place better in the Far East/South East Asia, was Bangkok

Had the nicest/best NCO Clubs (Coca Cabana)in the World.

Of course how could I forget the lovely "ladies" in Angeles City?

And I still consider San Miguel one of the best beers I ever drank.

64 posted on 06/09/2012 6:00:31 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: LibWhacker

Get your t-shirts ready: All your base are belong to us!


65 posted on 06/09/2012 6:16:13 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Ronin

Just Damn!

I lived on West Tapinac!

What a place.


66 posted on 06/09/2012 6:18:48 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope they don't like it.)
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To: Ronin

been there, done that, no reminders, thankfully!


67 posted on 06/09/2012 6:37:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: LibWhacker

We Shall Return


68 posted on 06/09/2012 6:45:19 AM PDT by will of the people
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I think we need to do both Camrahn Bay in Vietnam may be better suited for a Naval base and Nave Air Wing. They have a land based supply line. We need to greatly increased port calls in both Subic and Camrahn before we do anything else and see how that works out.


69 posted on 06/09/2012 6:53:44 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: WellyP

Cam Ranh!


70 posted on 06/09/2012 6:57:37 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: doc1019


Subic bay ... Olongapo city ... sh$t river ... clap city ... San Miguel beer ... fond memories.”

I was TDY to Clark AFB twice in the early 1970’s. Loved San Miguel beer, however you never wanted to hold your beer up to a light......there were ‘things’ floating around in the bottle that I couldn’t identify. The joke was that you had to drink your beer quickly before whatever was in the bottle drank it first.

EODGUY


71 posted on 06/09/2012 7:00:42 AM PDT by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: All
I live in the Philippines and this article needs to be taking with a large grain of salt.

In other words until I see another source it's BS...

72 posted on 06/09/2012 7:04:21 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: WellyP

http://defense-update.com/20120606_cam-ranh-bay-is-the-prize-are-lethal-weapons-the-cost.html


73 posted on 06/09/2012 7:09:27 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: Political Junkie Too

That’s what I understood as well.

Here’s an interesting documentary about that called *In the Path of a Killer Volcano*

Here’s a clip from that video. Interestingly, this clip from the video deals particularly with the the evacuation of the base and the eruption of the volcano and its impact on the base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMe0VPQftsc


74 posted on 06/09/2012 7:11:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Political Junkie Too

That’s what I thought. That happened right after I left Guam in 1989.


75 posted on 06/09/2012 7:29:10 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: hattend

This nonsense is just bread & circuses for us little people. Who is the threat to the Philippines? Our preferred trading partner, Red China?


76 posted on 06/09/2012 7:29:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: LibWhacker

If I recall, Pinatubo volcano that had a lot with us pulling out. Something like three to four feet of ash at CLARK AFB in the early 90s.


77 posted on 06/09/2012 7:31:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Saigon used to be a choice for retirees in the EARLY 1960s.


78 posted on 06/09/2012 7:32:42 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: LibWhacker

Happy Days are here again in the Philippines: Prostitutes will be celebrating along with girls looking for a free pass to America by finding and marrying an airman or sailor.


79 posted on 06/09/2012 7:49:01 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: chasio649

Indeed.

I see there was an . . . unaware question downthread.

Sigh. Willfull blindness is such a plague on the Republic.


80 posted on 06/09/2012 8:11:54 AM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: LibWhacker

Make ‘em sign a treaty giving us the rights to the bases for 100 years.


Wouldn’t matter. The territory/property is theirs, so they can tear up the lease whenever they want.


82 posted on 06/09/2012 8:17:18 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: LibWhacker

Outstanding. Ths will allow to spread out our forces and be able to have better overall tactics in the Pacific RIM area.


83 posted on 06/09/2012 8:36:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: LibWhacker

I was in the Navy at the time. I remember the stories of protesters all over the place with signs, “Bad USA, go home!!” We did, and took our money with us. Be careful what you wish for. Same goes for the numbnut liberals that are always wishing for Hill AFB, Utah to be closed. If you want your local economy to forgo $5 billion per year, you better be thinking about that real careful-like.


84 posted on 06/09/2012 8:41:17 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Zapp Brannigan; libwacker; Political Junkie Too; metmom; SunkenCiv; All

Pinatubo was a severe danger to the personnel remaining at Clark AFB. I read an interesting book written by the vulcanologists who lived and were advising there in the last chaotic days. Unfortunately, I could not find the title on Google. However, a book Ash Warriors (not the complete title, but too lazy to go back and look) by Anderegg, the commander is on line for reading. There is a detailed link at Wikipedia.

As to our reasons for increasing our presence. It is part of an overall strategy to increase our visibility and presence in the Pacific region to counter Chinese expansionist activities. Chinese are heavily engaged in Africa, importing large amounts of raw material from many island nations and Australia. China has 1.3 to 1.5 billion people all of whom want to become at lease middle class. That requires a lot of resources.


85 posted on 06/09/2012 8:44:07 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Political Junkie Too
I thought we pulled out of Clark because Mt. Pinatubo erupted and destroyed the place.

Going from memory, I think we left because the Philipinos were being ungrateful, anti-American douchebags, demanding that we get our dirty military off their land.

As we were leaving, Mt. Pinatubo erupted burying the base that was newly theirs in ash.

They didn't know we had that technology.

86 posted on 06/09/2012 8:44:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: LibWhacker

My take: Zero is setting up WWIII to be a “fair fight,” by sacrificing the Pacific Fleet in a manner much the same as Pearl Harbor, only this time it’s aircraft carriers instead of battle ships.


87 posted on 06/09/2012 8:58:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: chessplayer; LibWhacker
Wouldn’t matter. The territory/property is theirs, so they can tear up the lease whenever they want.

The only thing that might work would be to permanently sell the US an island, and irrevocably cede sovereignty over it to the US. Even then, there would eventually be pressure to give it back, like we did with the Panama Canal.

Another possibility would be to lease the area, and instead of us building upon the area, have their government pay for building the facilities, which we then lease back. Rig things so that they face unacceptably-high income losses if they ever kick us out.

88 posted on 06/09/2012 8:59:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Quix
...by and largely owned by a relatively small number of elite ruling famililes . . . more or less like the rest of the planet . . .

You're so right. It's scary that it's so few running what, 6 billion now? We the sheeple... And worse that the elites think there are too many of us (not our personal fault) and are using eradication and "insecticide" type programs on the people.

89 posted on 06/09/2012 9:06:10 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: TexasTransplant
I love lumpia, and all those folks at Subic

Did you try the pork adobo? It's yummy!
90 posted on 06/09/2012 10:14:14 AM PDT by Justaham
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To: chessplayer
Make ‘em sign a treaty giving us the rights to the bases for 100 years..... Wouldn’t matter. The territory/property is theirs, so they can tear up the lease whenever they want.

Is that any different than Gitmo?

91 posted on 06/09/2012 11:05:46 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Never Argue With A LIBERAL...They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!)
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To: LibWhacker
Black males raping underage Phillipine females didn't help relations any.
Just like it isn't on Guam.
92 posted on 06/09/2012 11:07:34 AM PDT by blam
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

As was Havana in the 1950’s.


93 posted on 06/09/2012 12:16:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: LibWhacker

Country Inn, Buffalo Bar, Bamboo Grove, Scotty’s.


94 posted on 06/09/2012 12:39:41 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: dead

Actually, the Philippino Senate wanted us out, the Aquino government wanted us to stay.


95 posted on 06/09/2012 12:44:21 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: AlexW; Political Junkie Too

To be specific, it was the Senate that didn’t want us, the Aquino government was willing to let us stay.


96 posted on 06/09/2012 12:48:12 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: LibWhacker

The US has largely screwed over the Filipinos since 1898. We had most of our Army there in the early 1900’s killing Filipinos. How many Filipinos were killed at the hands of the Japanese in the forties for trying to help Americans? Would it not have been better to bury our fear of being labeled “Colonists” and administer the Philippines as a trust territory or even a state? We treated them much as we did our Vietnamese allies: we abandoned them when as soon as it became too uncomfortable for us. I found both peoples to be good decent folks for the most part, just as any other society.


97 posted on 06/09/2012 1:28:08 PM PDT by Temujinshordes
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To: TexasTransplant

Public works lumpia and cold San Miguel.....
Yumm

The cubi O club is ondisay in pCola and can be moved back


98 posted on 06/09/2012 1:39:13 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: LibWhacker
In this case, they want us back to offset a threat from China.

I remember back when a lot of Filipino pols were clamoring for the US to get out. One of our guys asked if they really, really, wanted to see the Imperial Japanese Navy once again sailing through the Suriago Straits. (Crickets.)

The people who worked on there were totally pist at their pols when the bases closed as they had some of the best jobs in the islands.

I'm also wondering who gets the contracts to rebuild the bases? Sounds like a plum deal worth plenty of "baksheesh".

99 posted on 06/09/2012 1:39:54 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: dead

That’s what I thought too. I thought they wanted us to stay so we could conduct a humanitarian mission, but we compied with their first wish......leaving.


100 posted on 06/09/2012 2:43:59 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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