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Democrats Hit Romney on ‘Message of Wisconsin’ Comments (Democrats dumber than rocks)
ny times ^ | 6/9/2012 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 06/09/2012 4:51:48 AM PDT by tobyhill

Democrats sought to turn the tables on Mitt Romney Friday afternoon by seizing on comments he made in Iowa that suggested the country doesn’t need more firefighters, police or teachers.

Mr. Romney was responding to President Obama’s earlier remarks about the private economy’s being “fine.” In doing so, Mr. Romney dismissed Mr. Obama’s call for more aid to state and local governments.

“He wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers,” Mr. Romney said of Mr. Obama. “He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”

Democrats pounced on the comment, saying it proved that Mr. Romney would like to eliminate jobs for teachers, firefighters and police officers.

“Could Mitt Romney be any more disconnected from the concerns of middle-class Americans?” said R.T. Rybak, the vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee. “To suggest that police, firefighters and teachers aren’t helping the American people and aren’t vital to our communities shows that he has no clue what’s going on in the real world.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 06/09/2012 4:51:56 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
that suggested the country doesn’t need more firefighters, police or teachers.

.....damn right we don't need any of the above if we can't pay for them and that does not mean the Feds should pay for them with borrowed money.
That's the liberal problem, they are devoid of a commonsense gene.

2 posted on 06/09/2012 4:59:57 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: tobyhill

Typical Donks. They only know how to create public jobs and more debt.


3 posted on 06/09/2012 5:03:17 AM PDT by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: tobyhill

Clumsy on Myth’s part. Democrats always want to define government employees as ‘teachers, firefighters and police officers”, and they always threaten to cut those first when budgets are threatened. He shouldn’t play into that game. He should have pointed out that those are only a small portion of government employees, and pointed out some of the absurdly high paid jobs that nobody would miss.


4 posted on 06/09/2012 5:03:22 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin

“He should have pointed out that those are only a small portion of government employees, and pointed out some of the absurdly high paid jobs that nobody would miss.”

that’s not it.
They don’t want him using the Wisconsin narrative, AT ALL. It’s a swing state Dems MUST HAVE in November, that the MSNBC Klux Klan has managed to swing to likely R.


5 posted on 06/09/2012 5:08:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tobyhill

Outside of urban Dem strongholds, aren’t the vast majority of fire companies staffed by volunteers?


6 posted on 06/09/2012 5:08:46 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Hugin

Democrats always want to define government employees as ‘teachers, firefighters and police officers”,

...bingo. The average knuckleheaded American has no idea of the bloated government offices. My nephew used to work for Dep of Agriculture. Every action requires one distinct person. Need that stapled? Get Jamal. Need that filed? Get Teresa. Phones ringin! Get Paco. Time for lunch, smoke, water cooler, break, snack, bathroom, fresh air...It’s 5:00! We’re outta here. Tomorrow’s Thursday so I’ll call in sick for a 4 day weekend.


7 posted on 06/09/2012 5:16:11 AM PDT by albie
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To: tobyhill
Teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc., these are the responsibilities of the several states, NOT of the federal government -- and NO the federal government should NOT be helping the states with money to fill these jobs, because the money should not be in the federal coffers to begin with, but in the state coffers. That money should never have gone, to begin with, nor should it ever go the the federal treasury.

LEAVE THE MONEY IN THE STATES to begin with, and don't allow it to be wasted in the federal bureaucracies before it gets sent back to the states.

A few years ago, I saw a study on how much of each dollar is spent on nothing but bureaucracy (administration) in the federal government before it is spent in the thing for which it was designated. A comparative analysis was done with the state governments, which, of course, waste much, much less of each dollar.

Perhaps one of the economist types on FR has such a study to post. I'd like to see it again.

But the point is : Don't remove the money from the states to begin with! For teachers, policemen, firefighters, etc., why does the federal government even have any money with which to "help" the states ???? Why was the money removed from the states and sent through the wider, wasteful circle of the federal bureaucracy ????

We have got to end this illusion that the federal government is some how smarter and wiser than our state legislatures in fiscal matters. This federal elitism has become criminal.

8 posted on 06/09/2012 5:22:00 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: tobyhill
suggested the country doesn’t need more firefighters, police or teachers.

Democrats and the media always throw teachers in with "firefighters and police" because they know the public is more sympathetic and appreciative (as a whole) to our first responders than teachers - and the main reason is that teachers don't have the same dangerous jobs but in most states they are paid better, have better health care packages, and have better pensions.

Moreover, there are A LOT more teachers and administrators in America's localities than there are first responders, who actually do risk life and limb in their chosen professions.

On top of all of this, in most states, the teachers have better contracts than the first responders because of the education union thug mafia.

Let me give you some numbers:

Here in New Jersey, we have the highest property taxes in the nation.

I myself pay in the 5 figures for property taxes, and my home is not a mansion. My neighbors all pay the same outrageous bill.

Where does all that money go?

67% of our town's property taxes go to the schools.

Of that 67%, 38% is ripped off by the "Abbott Districts" here in NJ. Read up on these. The NJSC ruled it was "unconstitutional" that they didn't have enough of "whitey's money" - basically. They are a bunch of urban, overwhelmingly minority districts where their own citizens don't pay taxes, or they don't pay enough taxes in the state's mind - so they bill all the rest of us and take our property tax payments.

So, with that 38% of the 67% in Democrat, minority, court ruled theft - these districts have over $14,000 per student funding. Their teachers are very well paid, many schools have AstroTurf fields with NFL stadium lights. They also still have the worst test scores, the worst discipline record, the worst graduation rates, the lowest reading rates, and the highest student-on-student crime statistics in the state.

Of that 29% property tax money leftover that does go to our own schools, a whopping 95% is doled out in salaries and benefits to teachers, principles, and administrators.

95%.

The pittance that is left over goes to "whitey's kids."

So, you pay 5 figures in property taxes, and they won't even pick up the trash around here anymore - there is "no money." And who did they lay off around here? Cops. Firefighters.

So all the teachers out there can cry me a river.

I know there are teachers who do great work, and there are some I am very proud of. But your leadership stinks, the majority of teachers have become self serving, pension spiking takers who have sold out their values and morals to the Democrat Satan.

I have no sympathy for them.

9 posted on 06/09/2012 5:27:12 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
...the majority of teachers have become self serving, pension spiking takers who have sold out their values and morals to the Democrat Satan.

...a breath of fresh air on a Saturday morning.

10 posted on 06/09/2012 5:34:22 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc., these are the responsibilities of the several states, NOT of the federal government -- and NO the federal government should NOT be helping the states with money to fill these jobs, because the money should not be in the federal coffers to begin with, but in the state coffers.

In August of 2010, before the fall elections and when Pelosi was still Speaker, she called a vote when Congress was not even in session and gave away $29,000,000,000 to localities in in form of a bribe that has become known as "Son of Stimulus."

That is 29 of these pallets of $100 dollar bills.

The Democrats and Obama are gutting health care to our veterans, but there is plenty of money to give away with both fists to the education mafia and for Food Stamps.

Remember that.

11 posted on 06/09/2012 5:36:09 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“We make education happen.” ROTFLMAOPIMP!!! The ONLY thing you thugs accomplish is driving our property taxes thru the roof.


12 posted on 06/09/2012 5:37:35 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SkyPilot

@9

What an excellent post. I am only really commenting on it so that I can come back and find it again when I might need the information in it.

They lay off the cops and firefighters as a kind of emotional blackmail for the voters who don’t want their taxes raised.

Loved the photo of the scary teacher in the red shirt.


13 posted on 06/09/2012 5:41:18 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: SkyPilot

New Jersey (pop. 8.8 million)
Number of Operating School Districts 2011-12: 590

North Carolina (pop. 9.5 million)
Number of Operating School Districts 2011-12 115


14 posted on 06/09/2012 5:42:14 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: who knows what evil?
Yup.

And guess what many of our NJ teachers are doing as they retire in their early 50's and take a lifetime generous pension direct deposit for the rest of their lives?

That's right - they are moving out to avoid the high property taxes. The states of choice right now are North Carolina (VERY popular) and the ever present Florida.

But don't worry - when they come and visit NJ to see their relatives, they go down to Atlantic City and gamble quit heavily. I've seen them.


15 posted on 06/09/2012 5:42:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: chickadee

When students study political science, this is called the “Firemen First Principle.” It is taught to aspiring bureaucrats as a method of avoiding any contraction of government.


16 posted on 06/09/2012 5:46:10 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SkyPilot
The states of choice right now are North Carolina (VERY popular) and the ever present Florida.

...so that's why North Carolina is going into the crapper so quickly. By the way...when they aren't visiting those NJ relatives; they are lined up thick as thieves in front of the slots at Cherokee. :-)

17 posted on 06/09/2012 5:48:18 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Recon Dad
If we really want to cut the size of the government, let's START with an across the board 50% reduction in the people who work for our Congressmen.

Make our elected officials write their own bills, and not have hundreds of unelected policy wonks building thousand-page nightmares.

Then a 50% cut from all personal staff of same.

A good start, IMHO. The only problem will be the increase of unemployed, up from the current 10%. Maybe that will get people to want some of the jobs the "Americans won't do".

18 posted on 06/09/2012 5:49:01 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: SkyPilot
As a public school teacher, I would Just like to say....

Right-on...Right-on...Right-on!

This is a retirement job for me (that's one way to cut costs - have retired people teach) because it's easy and fun!

Teachers are the most self-absorbed, self-pious, self-important group I have ever met. They don't have a clue what it means to work where what you produce can be measured, quantified and judged for quality.

19 posted on 06/09/2012 5:49:07 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: airborne
If we can't actually repeal the Sixteenth (Income Tax) Amendment, we should at least cap it at a fixed percentage of each States GDP to be determined at a Constitutional Convention (just to focus their minds).

More leaches, Mr Washington?

20 posted on 06/09/2012 5:53:56 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Anyone with half a brain can see what needs to be done.

Unfortunately, the people we’ve elected don’t measure up to that minimum standard!


22 posted on 06/09/2012 5:58:57 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: tobyhill

Obama believes that a country is more prosperous when the number of government employees is increasing.

A friend in Madison WI told me this: “I like to pay more taxes on my house, because it makes my house more valuable.”


23 posted on 06/09/2012 6:02:43 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: airborne

Every law and program should have expiration date. At a certain point it would be null and void. If it is important enough to keep, then electors should have to go through the entire process of making it a law again.


24 posted on 06/09/2012 6:14:57 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: Hugin

The big ones Obama’s been hiring are IRS agents. Mitt should hit that.


25 posted on 06/09/2012 6:15:12 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: who knows what evil?

“We make education happen.” ROTFLMAOPIMP!!! The ONLY thing you thugs accomplish is driving our property taxes thru the roof.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Seriously....Where is the **PROOF** that government schools teach anything? Really...This is a serious question.

Answer: Studies have NEVER NEVER NEVER been done that determine how much is learned in the classroom as compared to how much is due to ****AFTERSCHOOLING*** and **PRESCHOOLING*** done by the parents and child, himself, IN THE HOME!!!!!

Yes, I am shouting and jumping up and down. We spent up to a quarter of million or more per child for 13 years of government schooling and we do NOT NOT NOT know if it is effective or teaching the child anything at all!!!!

I started to question the effectiveness of schools when I noticed that there was little difference between academically successful children and those successful children who attended institutional schools. BOTH groups of successful children are spend the SAME amount of time IN THE HOME at the kitchen table or child’s desk STUDYING and doing projects IN THE HOME!!!! The only difference in the academically successful child and his parents are EXHAUSTED!

Perhaps the only thing that government schools are doing is testing of material learned IN THE HOME, and grading the projects and work done IN THE HOME! ....and providing very expensive babysitting.

If every government school in this nation were to shut down tomorrow the **same** kids who are being educated today would be educated tomorrow. The **same** kids who are not getting education today would be just as functionally illiterate and innumerate tomorrow!


26 posted on 06/09/2012 6:25:50 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: jjotto

@ 16

No wonder nothing about government works anymore.


27 posted on 06/09/2012 7:05:10 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: tobyhill

So when do we have enough police, firefighters and teachers?


28 posted on 06/09/2012 7:17:54 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: wintertime
The **same** kids who are not getting education today would be just as functionally illiterate and innumerate tomorrow!

...at considerable savings over current confiscatory rates! :-)

29 posted on 06/09/2012 7:38:06 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: wintertime

Mandatory government (or government -approved) schooling was the first big step to socialism in the U.S.

Things would be even worse did not some people sacrifice to send their children to private and church schools or homeschool.

Do any “modern liberals” homeschool ?


31 posted on 06/09/2012 8:12:21 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham
Mandatory government (or government -approved) schooling was the first big step to socialism in the U.S.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All it took to elect a Woodrow Wilson or a Franklin D. Roosevelt was one to three generations of children indoctrinated in socialist schools that fed them lukewarm and generic Protestantism or outright godless secularism.

My grandmother ( born 1894) thought Roosevelt was America's Savior. She attended government secular schools that occasional gave a nod to God. Well...If children are taught to think and reason godlessly in state schools they will worship the state and think the state is their god and redeemer.

32 posted on 06/09/2012 8:28:19 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: tobyhill

Only in the self deluded liberal mind does this matter of even make sense.


33 posted on 06/09/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SkyPilot

California must have a similar breakdown in spending. Would love to know the exact percentages of our state. Where do you find this?


34 posted on 06/09/2012 9:56:11 AM PDT by Thidwick
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To: Thidwick
I went to a public town meeting of our township to discuss the budget, and they actually briefed the numbers. Amazing, isn't it?

I also learned that out of the meager 33% left of tax receipts that the town has leftover after the schools fleece their 67%, the state takes about 8% of the 33% - so there is a huge chunk gone. However, our town still pisses away taxpayer money like a dope dealer. We have "Public Safety Managers" for a small town that make 6 figures. We have fleets of vehicles that sit on a township lot unused. Basically, they spent their budget every year during the good years so they could justify a 6-7% increase in the budget for the next year. That was when home values were rising fast and the township could hike property taxes under the corrupt McGreevy and Corzine regimes. Under Christie, they are capped at 2% increase each year (which believe me they raise to the max each year).

35 posted on 06/09/2012 1:41:26 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Unreal. Can’t imagine our town would allow the numbers into the light of day, but I will at least go looking.


36 posted on 06/09/2012 11:13:24 PM PDT by Thidwick
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