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Californians Reject Cigarette Tax - Jig Is Up
California Deptment of Health - California Secretary of State ^ | 6/9/2012 | Self

Posted on 06/09/2012 6:49:12 AM PDT by Positive

Maybe, just maybe the people of California are somehow becoming aware of the disaster that the left wing politicians have brought down upon them.

Last Tuesday, while Scott Walker was smacking his recall down in Wisconsin and San Diego and San Jose were cutting the public employee pension funds, there was another possible bellwhether going on.

With 100% of the votes counted in California, Proposition 29 seems to have gone down to defeat. This would have put an additional $1.00/pack tax on Cigarettes.

Why is it that this may a be a "Jig is Up" bellwhether?

Well, according to the Ca. Dept. of Health, only 11% of adult Californians smoke. 89% of Californians could have voted for this tax which would not have directly impacted them. It would have been a tax only on the smokers and would supposedly raise money for cancer research.

Since 50.4% voted against the new tax, approximately something in the area 40% of the voters chose not to tax "the other guy."

This is an amazing departure from past performance for the California electorate.

Seems like Californias just might not want the politians to have anmy more money...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: california; election; milwaukee; proposition29; sandiego; sanjose; scottwalker; taxes; tombarrett; wisconsin

1 posted on 06/09/2012 6:49:25 AM PDT by Positive
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To: Positive

The link is bad.


2 posted on 06/09/2012 6:56:39 AM PDT by Brandybux (Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent.)
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To: Positive

About damn time, However I think it is probably too late to save the place.


3 posted on 06/09/2012 6:57:28 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Positive
Why is it that this may a be a "Jig is Up" bellwether?

May also signal that the 'Jig is down" or that the "Jig is out" too. /snic

4 posted on 06/09/2012 6:59:27 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Positive
People are getting tired of it. How much in the cost of cigarettes (or liquor or gasoline) is taxes, and what do we have to show for it? Now they're back for still more taxes.

By the same token , during Porkulus how often was Hussein on TV saying ,"we need to hire MORE firefighters & teachers"?
We passed porkulus and not 2 years later here's Hussein again saying we haven't hired enough firefighters and teachers.

5 posted on 06/09/2012 7:04:15 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Brandybux
Sorry, I put two links in the box.

California Department of Public Health: http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR11-031SmokingChart.aspx

California Secretary of State Live Election Results: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

These are the two links.

6 posted on 06/09/2012 7:06:04 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Don Corleone
What is snic?

Singapore National Institute of Chemistry?

7 posted on 06/09/2012 7:10:00 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive
Since 50.4% voted against the new tax, approximately something in the area 40% of the voters chose not to tax "the other guy." This is an amazing departure from past performance for the California electorate.

It's good news but this by itself is not "evidence" of any new trend. It has been decades since Californians have approved a direct tax increase ballot measure -- if ever. It's the constant approval of bonds and re-electing of officials whose names sound familiar that is killing our state.

8 posted on 06/09/2012 7:12:06 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Positive
and would supposedly raise money for cancer research.

supposedly being the operative word here since it has NEVER been the states job to do cancer research with taxpayers money...

9 posted on 06/09/2012 7:15:55 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ElkGroveDan
But Dan, when voters approve a bond issue, they ARE approving a tax...

That is how the state gets the money to repay the bond principle and interest.

10 posted on 06/09/2012 7:18:51 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Chode

The only way that they can make the connection to cancer research....is they arrange for a track of land to be bought in a industrial park, then lease it to the company for a minimal amount of money, for like a twenty-year lease. The second method is to hand a chunk of money over to a university program and just say to do anything...that relates to cancer research, and the university spends the money in that fashion.


11 posted on 06/09/2012 7:18:57 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
except that will prolly never happen... it will goto the general fund and be wasted on illegal alien welfare or some such
12 posted on 06/09/2012 7:25:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Haven’t California voters approved several conservative ballot issues only to see the corrupt judges ignore the will of the people ?

Aren’t the legislative processes supposed to supersede judicial rulings ?


13 posted on 06/09/2012 7:44:05 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Positive

Vote to be overturned by CSer fed judge in 10 seconds.


14 posted on 06/09/2012 7:47:06 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Positive
Well, according to the Ca. Dept. of Health, only 11% of adult Californians smoke.

I question that figure. More propaganda from the state to help them tax more.

The CDC says 19.3% of Americans smoke with 21% of non-Hispanic whites and 20.6% of non-Hispanic blacks. 12.5% of Hispanics smoke according to the 2010 data.

15 posted on 06/09/2012 7:51:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Positive

Some judge will be along soon to nullify this vote and the votes in San Diego and San Jose.


16 posted on 06/09/2012 7:54:05 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Positive

This proposed tax was so bad, the LA Slimes and the defenders of Prop 13 were in agreement to shoot it down.

The tax $’s raised would have gone to other left wing bs non profits in other states.


17 posted on 06/09/2012 7:57:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: hoosierham
Haven’t California voters approved several conservative ballot issues only to see the corrupt judges ignore the will of the people ? Aren’t the legislative processes supposed to supersede judicial rulings ?

Yep, immigration crackdown, parental notification of abortion on minors, protection of marriage (TWICE!) have all been passed by voters or the legislature and yanked by courts over the years.

Anytime a busybody judge wants to issue a stay on a law, they can (until overturned). The appeals then take decades and if the wrong guy winds up as A.G. they can pull the rug out from under the whole process.

18 posted on 06/09/2012 7:58:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Positive
But Dan, when voters approve a bond issue, they ARE approving a tax... That is how the state gets the money to repay the bond principle and interest.

I understand that. It is an indirect tax. I have written several ballot arguments against bonds that were published in the official voter information packet over the years -- which is why I referred to this year's measure as a "direct tax." The voters have seen those and rejected them every time. Meanwhile there was no bond on the ballot to compare, so my statement stands. While this was a very welcome outcome, it's not evidence of any new behavior pattern from voters.

20 posted on 06/09/2012 8:05:35 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Positive

i suspect this tax failed because the majority of people who smoke cigarettes are lower middle class and poor and this would be a tax directly on them. if this tax only affected “the rich” ie anyone who makes more money than they do the tax would have passed.


21 posted on 06/09/2012 8:07:05 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Chode
except that will prolly never happen... it will goto the general fund and be wasted on illegal alien welfare or some such

Pensions and health coverage for public sector employees.

22 posted on 06/09/2012 8:16:38 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Positive
89% of Californians could have voted for this tax which would not have directly impacted them. It would have been a tax only on the smokers and would supposedly raise money for cancer research.

Good for them. Nothing made me more disappointed with my fellow Coloradans than when they voted to double the tobacco tax a few years ago. CO has become infected with liberal parasites but it took more than just libs to make that self-serving un-American choice.

23 posted on 06/09/2012 8:34:45 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: going hot
yer prolly right...
24 posted on 06/09/2012 8:35:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Positive

There were widespread predictions that this tax would introduce California to the joys of gang-dominated cigarette smuggling.


25 posted on 06/09/2012 8:45:43 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Positive
There may be some realization on the part of the general public.

I suspect the cigarette tax is dead, but I suspect unions will try to get activist judges to overturn pension reform.

If they do, paycheck protection will probably pass on initiative.

26 posted on 06/09/2012 9:08:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Positive

50.4% AGAINST an enemy proposal - somebody is on the way to the wood shed. Couldn’t ANYONE find a few thousand vote in an old desk or the trunk of a state owned car?


27 posted on 06/09/2012 9:18:49 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: YankeeReb

and why do we need more firefighters? I haven’t heard of any major fires burning down a city lately? I used to be one, now most of them are running medical calls with a half million dollar firetruck instead of downsizing.


28 posted on 06/09/2012 9:32:41 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: kevao
Just noticed your comment about a judge nulifying this vote. I don't think so.

My reason is this was an affirmative measure. A yes vote would create a tax. Therefore since it did not pass, nothing happens. A judge or court can't make a new thing come into fuition.

A dim supervised recount is another thing though. Some missing votes may be found.

29 posted on 06/09/2012 2:08:09 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Positive.

Bad link! Bad! Bad! ;’)


30 posted on 06/13/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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