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Cold War pilot Francis Gary Powers to get Silver Star
CNN ^ | June 9 2012 | Staff

Posted on 06/09/2012 11:02:47 AM PDT by moonshot925

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To: moonshot925

We learned a hellovalot by his being traded back to us. Anyone claiming he should have offed himself knows nothing of intelligence or spying.


51 posted on 06/09/2012 5:07:52 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: Hulka

Then why was he given the capsule?

He failed to protect his country. Back in the day he was considered a joke and a coward after this. That’s why he had a job flying a news chopper.


52 posted on 06/09/2012 5:14:00 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Hulka

Not a mortal sin to destroy his equipment to protect his country.


53 posted on 06/09/2012 5:18:00 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Hulka

Bravo Two Zero was in Desert Storm, we don’t know what their failed mission cost us, but it was incredibly bloody McNabb claims hundreds died and he lost three men but that is neither here nor there.

In Europe with a team hundreds of miles into the Soviet Union and WWII chaos behind them there would not be the options that the US Army Special forces LRRP team had in Desert Storm when they canceled their mission and fought their way out with air support with no losses.

When a silent, invisible team is moving alone, truly alone, hundreds of miles behind enemy lines carrying 160 pounds of irreplaceable gear on their back, hoping that they can complete the all important intelligence mission and that they will be able to be picked up in a week or ten days, what do you want them to do when they bump into a couple of soldiers, surrender, take them prisoner?

LRS missions are some of the most valuable, complicated, silent, and invisible missions in existence and they end once sighted, in some situations like the European theater in a WWIII that meant certain death for the entire LRS team of which few people exist in and who take a very long time to replace, and the total failure of the Army level intelligence gathering mission, does each one end at the first appearance of a civilian or a wounded or captured soldier? Everybody just throws up their hands and discards the all important mission, and calmly dies either in gunfire in a futile effort to fight or under torture?


54 posted on 06/09/2012 5:41:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: CodeToad

Yet he was given a suicide pill and instructions.


55 posted on 06/09/2012 5:44:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Hulka

By the way these are 4 to six man teams I am talking about, not the mass of Merrill’s Marauders.

How do you think the Merrill’s Marauders dealt with prisoners?


56 posted on 06/09/2012 5:50:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Read up-thread for my earlier post quoting the National Security Council discussion about what the national leadership expected of him.

They did not expect him to kill himself.

Other, less informed at the time called him coward but they were not credible.

Christians and suicide. Mortal sin. Greater courage to face the pain than kill yourself.

Too many people watch too many movies .

Real world is not Hollyweird.


57 posted on 06/09/2012 6:07:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: ansel12

I think it was foolish for President Eisenhower to authorize operation GRAND SLAM of 1 May 1960.

He already knew that the “missile gap” was false.

On 9 April 1960, operation SQUARE DEAL, a U-2 piloted by Bob Ericson penetrated Soviet airspace and took several photographs of the Baikonur Cosmodrome. From these photographs, the CIA found out that the Soviets only had 2 SS-6 Sapwood ICBMs deployed.


58 posted on 06/09/2012 6:09:27 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Hulka

Was the suicide poison issued people on some missions to just to make it “Hollywood”?

Many don’t know that some American GIs even bought small pistols for their wives to kill the children and themselves rather than be taken alive during the Indian wars, a time of much Christianity and when many hard, toughened soldiers did not want to be taken alive.


59 posted on 06/09/2012 6:23:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

They are not always used to prevent capture.


60 posted on 06/09/2012 7:24:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: CodeToad

Fill us in. Is it to use on the enemy after you land?


61 posted on 06/09/2012 7:32:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Good.


62 posted on 06/09/2012 7:56:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: HerrBlucher

“We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”

-Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

This quote and a couple others make Nikita look somewhat prescient, does it not?


63 posted on 01/29/2013 7:47:01 AM PST by izzatzo
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