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YouTube: True Cost of Public Education (very worthwhile 3 minutes of your time)
youtube - CATO Institute ^ | 6-2012

Posted on 06/10/2012 7:49:40 AM PDT by doug from upland

IT IS EVEN WORSE THAN WE HAVE BEEN TOLD

DC claims $17,542 per student; really $28,170

L.A. claims $10,053 per student; really $25,208


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: education; failing; publicschools; ripoff

1 posted on 06/10/2012 7:49:54 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

And when you look at their results, and consider the opportunity costs, you want to cry.


2 posted on 06/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Spunky

Ping for later viewing.


3 posted on 06/10/2012 8:11:39 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: doug from upland

Excellent!

Thanks for the post!


4 posted on 06/10/2012 8:18:40 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: doug from upland

sfl


5 posted on 06/10/2012 8:31:29 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: doug from upland; SoftballMominVA
Dear doug from upland,

I've been saying this for years, including to defenders of public schools here on Free Republic. "Free" public education is wildly expensive. We could cut school budgets by 20%, 30%, 50% or more just by voucherizing local education. In the Washington, DC area, there are plenty of schools that would happily take half that $28K per year to educate children. The local Catholic elementary schools typically charge about one-quarter or less of that amount, and the high schools often get by with 50% - 60% of $28K.

Think about it: Save lots of money; provide a dramatically better education.

The greater problem is, it isn't just that ordinary folks don't realize this. Even folks who should know better don't realize this. A buddy of mine ran for the board of education in his local jurisdiction. He couldn't even wrap his head around the idea that you have to factor in some sort of amortized cost of capital purchases into the per pupil spending number. And this guy is a business owner.


sitetest

6 posted on 06/10/2012 8:35:05 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

sitetest! Good hearing from you, my friend.


7 posted on 06/10/2012 8:58:43 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

When it comes to educating this country’s children, I’m definitely pro-choice. Let the parents have some options as to where their kids go to school. And the education dollars allotted to those kids should transfer with the students.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 9:04:19 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( ABO - 2012 )))))
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To: doug from upland

Good to see you, too, Doug.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 9:15:42 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: doug from upland
In Pennsylvania, I paid six thousand dollars per year for a house appraised at 180 thousand. That is an extra 500 per month house note. I met many widows with paid for homes that were forclosed upon because they could not pay for the property tax bill on their social security income.

Yet I have yet to read on Free Republic, or any website or news organization or anything anywhere what the effect these property taxes to pay for union teachers salaries and bennies has on the housing crash. Does no one think raising a thousand dollar mortgage to 1500 had a difference on people's ability to pay their mortgage? Why did no one, NO ONE anywhere see this connection. I gave up commenting about it years ago.

10 posted on 06/10/2012 9:34:49 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: doug from upland

bttt


11 posted on 06/10/2012 9:42:56 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: doug from upland

The Enemies Within Our Education system


Education Unions (the N.E.A.), School Administrators and Yes - Even Some Teachers

Worm in the Apple

What is to be Done?

Leave No Teachers Behind!

Lefty Teachers Meet the MP3 Player/REcorder



12 posted on 06/10/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by B-Cause (The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money - Thatcher)
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To: doug from upland

“In many cases it seems school districts don’t want you to see the real pricetag.” 0:16-0:22

The lie is the weapon used most often by the socialist/criminal.

“Socialism Is Legal Plunder”

“Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole — with their common aim of legal plunder — constitute socialism.”

Quotes - Bastiat, CAPS - mine

GRRRRREAT post, doug. Thanks. HOORAY Adam B. Schaeffer!

DISMANTLE the Dept. of Education, the Dept. of Energy, the EPA, etc., etc.

DEPOPULATE socialists from the body politic.

Much more of the damage they have done...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

“Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.” - Bastiat (again)

C’mon November!


13 posted on 06/10/2012 9:45:20 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: doug from upland
I am so grateful for my private school education even though my parents were unable to afford it. Subsequently I finished the last two years of K through Twelve in public schools where I received a major awakening. Now having adult children who were forced to attend public schools do to economic factors I see the lack of value they received as apposed to my education. While I may have the occasional misspelled word they can not form a coherent sentence or read at what should be an adult level, even after much family attention. Choice and competition is the only answer. let the market place sort the winners and losers.
14 posted on 06/10/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (Ted Cruz Texas' true conservative)
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To: doug from upland

EXCELLENT video!


15 posted on 06/10/2012 10:22:17 AM PDT by Citizen Rights
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To: doug from upland
This is a very frustrating situation. I've run into the same mumbo-jumbo in our school district. For example, when funds for something come from outside the district from state or federal sources, the cost isn't counted. It seems not to exist. That's dishonest of course. Even though it isn't coming from the local tax base directly, we pay for it indirectly. I also find it disturbing that my retired parents in another state are helping to fund schools in our community. That's just not right . . .

I am currently in a teacher education program, preparing for yet another direction in life after having raised our kids. It's eye opening to see what teachers and school districts are dealing with, and it helps to understand the cost picture. Because of all the rights to education mandated at a federal, and to a lesser extent, state level, the public schools have become something of a dumping ground. Students with limited English proficiency, emotional problems, and significant learning or physical disabilities are all being placed in regular classrooms. I could end up trying to teach high school science in a classroom containing students who are blind, mentally retarded, hyperactive, dyslexic or recent immigrants. It would be my responsibility to teach them along with the other students who range from very bright to not-so-academic in ability. If you could see the variations on lesson planning that are expected of teachers, you'd be stunned. A truly conscientious teacher trying to meet all these competing demands could work 24/7 and still not do all that is possible and 'should' be done.

Some of these students have special support (e.g. dedicated aides, ESL classes, pull-out classes, technology assistance) and other do not. Those who have support are costing the districts a lot of additional money. Those who don't may be driving their teachers crazy with extra work.

I don't dispute that kids all need to be helped to learn. However, this system of 'let's pretend' where we dump them all into public schools, close our eyes to the cost, and demand that they all graduate from high school and go to college is absurd, costly, and inefficient. The system has developed with an underlying assumption that resources are unlimited and that if it's for the children it's all good. Unfortunately, one of the things that happens with these mandates is that school districts that can't afford all the spending cut costs of educational services to the average kids or the gifted. They can't cut special ed or parents will sue them.

I'm all in favor of school choice so that parents can better provide for their children. Unfortunately, this may also lead to public schools that are ever more burdened by the cost of serving the special needs population. I'm not too sure how that's all going to work. School choice helps the kids who get out, but the special needs population isn't going away and with all the mandated services to support them, the cost won't either.

16 posted on 06/10/2012 11:44:48 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die

Thanks for your response. In another lifetime, when I was just out of college, I taught for 5 years then went into the business world. It is, indeed, a frustrating situation for you. Good luck.


17 posted on 06/10/2012 12:46:15 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: verga; Gabz

Ping

This is a video that I think you would enjoy. :-)


18 posted on 06/10/2012 12:54:13 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: sportutegrl
The ignorance and blindness regarding the true cost of our nation's system of government socialist-entitlement schooling is very discouraging.

**Everyone** pays plenty for socialist-entitlement schooling. ( I refuse to use the term “public” schooling.)

In my small business, not only did I pay property tax on my business real estate, I also paid property taxes on the very **equipment** that I used to run the business. Unbelievable! The socialist-entitlement school taxes are passed on to the consumer and hidden in the price of **every** product and service every citizen uses.

What are some of the other consequences of our OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive socialist-entitlement system of schooling?

Answer: Businesses move off shore and take their good jobs with them and thereby unemployment increases here in the U.S. And...There are the balance of payments problems. Goods produced here in the U.S. are more expensive and less competitive abroad. Fewer goods and services are exported from the U.S. and more is imported.

And....You are absolutely correct. The high cost of socialist-entitlement, single-payer government schooling and the crushing taxes it imposes on citizens is a BIG factor in the collapse of the **entire** economy, not just the housing market.

Our nation's system of government schooling is an abomination.

Personally, I see socialist-entitlement government schooling to be sooooooo evil for the child, so harmful to us as a nation, and such at threat to our continuing freedom that I will NOT have a government school worker for a friend. They too evil, too stupid, or too much of a Useful Idiot to be a friend. ( By the way...I won't have an abortion worker for a friend either.)

(Please see my tag line.)

19 posted on 06/10/2012 1:12:56 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: metmom; JenB; Clintonfatigued; wagglebee; Nachum; Westbrook
Wow! This is a powerful video. Send it to everyone who pays property tax that you know.

I have been saying for **years** the true cost of our socialist-entitlement system of government schools was **far**far**far** MORE than is officially reported.

Government socialist-entitlment schooling accounting practices would make and Enron accountant blush!

The true cost of government schooling is on par with many of our nation's **most** prestigious and exclusive prep schools, those with the country club facilities. Please note how much it costs to school a child in the Washington D.C. socialist-entitlement schools as compared to Sidwell ( the school the Obama girls attend).

20 posted on 06/10/2012 2:00:09 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: wintertime

One thing that’s notable is that the strongest supporters of public schools won’t send their own children to them. That includes Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.


21 posted on 06/10/2012 2:07:20 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: doug from upland
"In another lifetime, when I was just out of college, I taught for 5 years then went into the business world."

Funny how that works out sometimes. I spent many years in business and then after raising our kids decided to stay closer to young people for the rest of my working years. Job market isn't so good, but being in the science end of things should help.

22 posted on 06/10/2012 2:14:10 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: wintertime
**Everyone** pays plenty for socialist-entitlement schooling. ( I refuse to use the term “public” schooling.)

But you have no problem with paying for every other socialist-entitlement that government provides, just schools - do I have that right?

You obviously have no concept of what your property taxes go to pay for and trying to explain it to you would be a waste of time because you have this absolutely off the wall idea that those taxes ONLY pay for schools and refuse to grasp the concept you are WRONG.

(Please see my tag line.)

I would not intentionally bring attention to it if I were you, as it is extremely offensive.

You are a one-note Janey and you have become extremely tiresome. And unless I am already involved in a conversation - DO NOT ping me - as you have told me to do with you.

23 posted on 06/10/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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