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Move over, Wisconsin -- the union battle is beginning in California
Sacramento Bee ^ | 6/10/12 | Jon Ortiz

Posted on 06/10/2012 8:50:24 AM PDT by SmithL

Labor unions and business interests have been quietly raising millions of dollars and testing campaign messages for months, girding for a brawl over a November ballot measure that could fundamentally shift political power in Sacramento.

Now, on the heels of an election that saw unions handed a major defeat last week in Wisconsin, the opposing camps in California soon will launch a campaign battle likely to consume $50 million or more in political spending.

"Unions have just two channels of influence," said Daniel J.B. Mitchell of the Anderson Graduate School of Management at UCLA, "collective bargaining and the political side, so this initiative is extremely important to them."

The measure, which has not yet received a proposition number, would ban both unions and corporations from contributing directly to candidates, although both sides could still freely spend money on their own independent efforts.

Another provision forbids both sides from using money gathered from payroll deductions for political purposes. It promises to gut the power of labor unions because they raise nearly all of their money for political and other purposes via payroll-deducted dues from their members' paychecks.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: california; danieljbmitchell; milwaukee; publicsector; sacramento; scottwalker; tombarrett; ucla; unionthugs; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 06/10/2012 8:50:30 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

great. something i can support in ca.


2 posted on 06/10/2012 8:55:26 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: SmithL

Looks like the Golden State will regain some of its luster!


3 posted on 06/10/2012 9:01:18 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: SmithL
I found this statement in the article.

Gubernatorial recall efforts have a much lower success rate than ballot initiatives.

I thought Walker was the first U.S. governor ever to survive a recall?

4 posted on 06/10/2012 9:02:11 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (Write In Sarah Palin)
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To: SmithL

I’m not sure California is a wise choice. The battle should move to a state we know we can win so we can build momentum.


5 posted on 06/10/2012 9:03:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SmithL

They need to ban forced duespaying, otherwise know as “fair share”, not just regulate how the money is spent. But its a start.


6 posted on 06/10/2012 9:04:59 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: TaxPayer2000

Only two governors were recalled, so it is a very small sample. Walker is the one of three to survive.


7 posted on 06/10/2012 9:06:12 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: SmithL
Another provision forbids both sides from using money gathered from payroll deductions for political purposes.

This, I like. Advertise it to the idiot occupiers as an "anti-corporate money" ballot measure and they'll be on every street corner gathering "Mickey Mouse" signatures.

8 posted on 06/10/2012 9:09:03 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: cripplecreek

“The battle should move to a state we know we can win so we can build momentum.”

I don’t know if it would be a guaranteed win here in WA, but I’d sure like to see it tried.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 9:09:14 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: SmithL

Although this Proposition itself would drive a stake in the Unions heart if passed, another benefit is it will force Organized Labor to spend Millions to oppose it that would otherwise be going to Obama and Dem. candidates.


10 posted on 06/10/2012 9:09:31 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: doug from upland

Three governors have been recalled, one was in the 1920’s but I forgot the name. He lost.


11 posted on 06/10/2012 9:10:28 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: doug from upland

They dropped the recall effort against Rick Snyder the day after the Wisconsin fail. Probably a smart strategic move. If they lost two recall attempts in a row it would have been a demoralizing event.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2892694/posts


12 posted on 06/10/2012 9:11:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: HerrBlucher

In 1921 Gov. Lynn Frazier of North Dakota was recalled.


13 posted on 06/10/2012 9:12:03 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: SmithL

California is owned by channels of influence,it can never return to normal.
Illegals,gays,unions and the list is endless.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 9:13:34 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SmithL

Careful, friends. This may be a leveling technique in play. We won, and big, in Wisconsin. California is larger and more liberal. It's tempting bait to achieve the same success in California. But, I think, it is just that ... bait. With far less chance of success, a failure in California would overshadow the success in Wisconsin. I suspect the liberals in the Pelosi state are permitting the discussion to take place just so it may be publicly quashed. This would have the effect of undermining the advancements made in Wisconsin on a national scale. Far better, I think, to let that battle stew a bit (sorry California FRiends) and focus on more attainable targets.


15 posted on 06/10/2012 9:15:12 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: cripplecreek

You can’t stop an idea who’s time has come. The unions have had a direct line to the public treasury for far too long!
Witness the votes in San Diego and San Jose, The American Tax Payer is done supporting these communist organization dressed up in blue collar workingman’s cloths. Public sector unions should be abolished and recognized for what they are, plunder of the Tax Payer!

Enough of this horse hockey!


16 posted on 06/10/2012 9:17:17 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: SmithL

There’s only one problem with an effort like this (well two - if you count that it is taking place in California) and that is there is no “Scott Walker” to lead it.


17 posted on 06/10/2012 9:18:30 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SmithL

“Another provision forbids both sides from using money gathered from payroll deductions for political purposes”

I think a similiar proposition was on the California ballot in 2006. It was defeated by the unions. I wish I had a job selling air time on local TV and radio. The unions will spend tons of money on misleading advertising.


18 posted on 06/10/2012 9:24:23 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

We’ve come a long way in Michigan despite a lot of spineless RINOs. If the tea party, Sarah Palin, etc were to show up and start speaking it would rally the people and put a little steel in those jello spines in Lansing.

We’ve even got a conservative union group supporting right to work laws and opposing card check. Their leader (Terry Bowman) testified against union political fundraising on capitol hill a few months back.

I’m not suggesting ignoring other states, only that we should build a head of steam.


19 posted on 06/10/2012 9:24:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: so_real

I agree it’s most likely a leveling technique. Public unions are so embedded in corrupt California - Sacramento is overrun with tax-paid bureaucrats who strategize 24/7 on retaining/increasing their own funding but will unite to keep their useful, purple-shirted public union member proles in “Victim” status mode to rage & rail against the freedoms Wisconsin just chose.

Praying for my home state & this whole nation,


20 posted on 06/10/2012 9:25:04 AM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: TaxPayer2000
Gubernatorial recall efforts have a much lower success rate than ballot initiatives.

There have been many "recall efforts," of which only three made it to an election.

21 posted on 06/10/2012 9:26:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: SmithL

Nothing good ever happens in California and survives more than a few months. Some jackass will find a judge to overturn it, regardless. The day something good happens and sticks I’ll be surprised.

They need to have an earthquake and get flipped out into the ocean. It’s the only good thing I can think of that a court can’t reverse.


22 posted on 06/10/2012 9:28:39 AM PDT by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: so_real

Exactly. Build a head of steam in the midwest before taking the show into the heart of darkness.


23 posted on 06/10/2012 9:31:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MonicaG

Agreed. Things are bad in Michigan -- real bad. They are hungry over there for reform and the union battle has already begun. With Wisconsin so near, and now escaping our own fiscal pit, we can aid them in their recovery. They'l listen. Wisconsin was the spark. I think we should focus on building embers in Michigan. Unfortunately that means making an effort *not* to pick battles on battlefields that are not yet conditioned. Sorry, Cali.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 9:35:19 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: cripplecreek

Yup ... we have a spark ... let's build the fire.


25 posted on 06/10/2012 9:37:04 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: cripplecreek
"...we can build momentum."

WE don't decide the location, the local voters do!

26 posted on 06/10/2012 9:38:52 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: doug from upland

Walker is the only one of the three to survive. The other two lost their recall. One was Gray Davis, Jerri Brown’s chief of staff during his first round as governor.


27 posted on 06/10/2012 9:40:48 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: SmithL
I believe it is a mistake to ban corporations from contributing to campaigns. It would be better to concentrate on stopping government employers from collecting dues from union members.

Then let every legal entity that has a stake in government support their choice.

This proposition will kneecap the conservative movement. It also will undoubtedly have fine print that allows loopholes for the unions.
Don't forget that corporations only participate financially while unions participate financially and with boots on the ground type things like staffing phone banks, transportation.

28 posted on 06/10/2012 9:46:42 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: TheZMan
"Some jackass will find a judge to overturn it, regardless."

We have a winner!

As long as there is a liberal judge to be found, propositions in CA (or elsewhere, for that matter) are much ado about nothing.

29 posted on 06/10/2012 9:49:08 AM PDT by daler
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To: so_real

We’ve even got pro union allies in Michigan. They’re union but they’re pro union choice. These guys really do walk the walk and they’re growing.

http://www.unionconservatives.com/


30 posted on 06/10/2012 9:51:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: so_real

I’m sure we’ll see how fast the media jumps on the narrative that California be next; unless they realize they don’t want the California electorate to think about the forced union dues. ??


31 posted on 06/10/2012 9:53:17 AM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Possibly many efforts are started but don’t gain sufficient support to make it to the ballot.


32 posted on 06/10/2012 9:56:03 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: TheZMan

An earthquake to flip us out in the ocean? Really? If that happened
then where would your state and every other state send all your
rejects? Obviously the state that twice elected Ronald Reagan as
governor wasn’t always the way it is now. Hell, you all ought to
thank us native Calis for taking the cretins off your hands instead
of insulting us so much of the time.


33 posted on 06/10/2012 9:56:08 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: SmithL
Last year, public-sector and general-trade unions contributed $2.7 million to California political candidates and causes, according to campaign finance tracker FollowTheMoney.org. Business interests, from the telecommunications industry and hospitals to computer firms and beer companies, gave $4.3 million.

"The public has got to read between the lines on this thing," said Ken Murch, chief negotiator and lobbyist for the California Association of Psychiatric Technicians. "The deception is that this levels the political playing field. It doesn't."

That's a ridiculous comparison, I'm sure the businesses lobbied on all sorts of issues while the unions lobbied only on how to get paid more.

34 posted on 06/10/2012 10:01:33 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Sivad
If that happened then where would your state and every other state send all your rejects?

LOL We ship our retirees to Florida and Arizona so I guess we'd have to start shipping the rejects to Canada.
35 posted on 06/10/2012 10:02:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: daler
As long as there is a liberal judge to be found, propositions in CA (or elsewhere, for that matter) are much ado about nothing.

What reality are you coming from?? Have you ever heard of Proposition 13? This has saved me personally $10's of thousands, maybe $100's and the state hundreds of billions. The Rats have tried to overturn it repeatedly to no avail.

Your faux cynicism makes me doubt your motives. The paycheck protection initiative of this thread could win. Who'da thunk that an initiative to reduce government union pay and benefits would win 70% of the vote in far left San Jose?

The 2006 initiative was botched by Arnold. It could have passed if they had put it in a general election instead of a special election where the only people that voted were the unions. Many people on this site did not vote because they hated Arnold.

I for one will contribute and work for this initiative as well as maintaining at least 1/3 + 1 Republicans in the Assembly and Senate. This is my state and I will be d*mned if I let it go down the toilet without a fight.
36 posted on 06/10/2012 10:05:46 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: dadfly
Walker's campaign spent more than $47 million, two-thirds of it from out-of-state donations. Barrett's union-backed campaign spent about $18 million.

Inching back toward reality. @.5:1 is certainly a far cry from what the lying Martin O'Malley cited ("10:1") or the "Center for Public Integrity" at "nearly 8:1." But of course, the lies are so widely disseminated now, there's no chance for the truth to ever catch up.

37 posted on 06/10/2012 10:06:34 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

sorry, sorry, I capped when I shouldn’t have : 2.5 :1


38 posted on 06/10/2012 10:08:12 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: cripplecreek

Ah yes, let’s just write off those 50 plus electoral votes. Lets not contest the state or do anything that might cause folks to be able to honestly evaluate Conservatism vs Liberalism.

That has worked so well for us. We start off every presidential election year 50 plus electoral votes in the hole. What a great master plan. /s

The problem with avoiding election year issues and other major issues, in California, is that the time when the issues should be most crystal clear and covered at an elevated level, the Republican party takes a pass on the state.

How do we as an interest group expect to get the word out, when we take a pass when we have the megaphone?

Californians just voted down same sex marriage, and yet folks are convinced no Conservative issues can pass in the state. That’s a major fallacy, that some on our side constantly use to defeat our cause.

California is in play. Deal with it...


39 posted on 06/10/2012 10:09:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: bopdowah

Whatever the voters say about the need for unions, GOVERNMENT, a Democrat Liberal Government, will do everything in its power to ignore, lessen, subvert or outright ignore. There is no closure on voter initiatives when the state if filled with millions of illegals, featherbedding politicians and corrupt liberal judges, period. T-O-A-S-T....


40 posted on 06/10/2012 10:09:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe you should read the rest of the thread before swinging your jowls.


41 posted on 06/10/2012 10:12:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: so_real

California will be the next battleground. Bait or not, it will be on the ballot, and the unions have been gearing up for a royal battle over it. I assumed it would go down in flames, but after this week’s reform wins in San Diego and San Jose, I’m no longer certain about that.


42 posted on 06/10/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Do I understand correctly there will be a single proposition with the dual functions of 1) prohibiting public employee unions from contributing to politicians and 2) prohibiting corporations from contributing to politicians.

These two functions should have been in separate propositions, NOT in a single proposition. What if the proposition is deemed unconstitutional because it is considered free speech for corporations to donate money to politicians?

I am adamant that we need to halt public union money from being donated to politicians. That is critical.

I am going to be furious if this proposition passes and is then overturned in total because the courts rule that we don’t have the power to prohibit a corporation’s free speech right to donate money to politicians.

I hope and pray this proposition is well thought out and does not violate a corporation’s free speech rights. I would be livid if this critical need to hamstring the CA state employee unions from extorting money to give to state Dems is overturned because it was combined with an unconstitutional provision.

I hope whoever wrote this proposition did their homework and doesn’t shaft us. It is just absolutely critical to starve the CA state Democrats of public employee union money, so this had better work. If it doesn’t, I’m going to scream.


43 posted on 06/10/2012 10:21:00 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: SmithL

Follow Wisconsin’s lead, California and begin to dismantle the union/’rat stranglehold on your state.


44 posted on 06/10/2012 10:24:38 AM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m tired of people lamenting the situation in California, then coming up with every excuse under the sun why Conservative efforts should not be undertaken in the state.

If you can’t get behind Conservative efforts in the state, then fine. Just don’t advocate for everyone else avoiding getting behind it.


45 posted on 06/10/2012 10:29:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: so_real
#15 - A very realistic assessment. I see no indication that there is a strong enough fiscal conservative movement to overcome the entrenched socialist camp in complete control of CA politics.

Only the harsh reality of fiscal collapse might turn them around, and somehow I'm certain they won't acknowledge it until it's far too late to salvage the situation.

46 posted on 06/10/2012 10:51:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: DoughtyOne

California has been in play, but the Rinocrats have abandoned us. They leave hanging out to dry and then have the gaul to pester us for money every election cycle. There is still a very strong conservative base here, some have just plane given up while others are just out right fed up with the “Republican Party.”


47 posted on 06/10/2012 10:57:30 AM PDT by Dawggie
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To: SmithL

I’ve written off CA and NY. At this point, I think the only good outcome is to use them as leftist sumps and bad examples. Sorry to you Freepers caught behind enemy lines.


48 posted on 06/10/2012 11:04:16 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cripplecreek

The union pension abuses in California are FAR worse than in Wisconsin and the public is fed up with it. So, it’s a winning issue. Look at San Jose (liberal) and San Diego (conservative, sort of). Both passed by behemoth margins major cuts in benefits for municipal employeess. The press in California has for years and years contained one story after another of outrageous benefits paid to retirees from municipalities, so the public is better informed on this issue. I say go for it!


49 posted on 06/10/2012 11:06:57 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: cripplecreek

While Michigan unions may have dropped the “recall Snyder” attempt, unions are actively working gather enough signatures to add to the November Ballot a measure that would open up the state constitution and amend it so that the right for Unions to engage in Collective Bargaining would be ensured right within the State Constitution itself, thereby making them immune from taxpayers and “hostile” government. You can bet this will be disguised in “legalese” so that most taxpayers will have no clue that they are voting against themselves. After the Wisconsin smack-down, unions will certainly become sneakier and more creative in finding ways to keep their power. Rather than boldly going after those who stand in their way, they will learn to work behind the scenes to keep their privileged status.


50 posted on 06/10/2012 11:24:46 AM PDT by onevoter
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