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EPA POWER GRAB TO REGULATE DITCHES, GULLIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY
human events ^ | june 11, 2012 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 06/11/2012 11:56:23 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Baynative
When it comes to Michigan, the globalists are slobbering all over themselves at the sight of all this fresh water. Where there is an abundance or a scarcity, they are there.

Water area in square miles

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Water area by percentage

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51 posted on 06/11/2012 6:36:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Baynative
BTW-Ya'all do know that Obama has given the EPA the ability to create and ENFORCE it's own law, don't you?

Uh, it's in the first chapter of the book I published eleven years ago. In that same book, I also warned about regulation of seasonal Class 3 Riparian Areas when the NRCD instituted lawsuits in all 50 states to establish TMDL regulations for non-point "pollution" sources. At the time it was for nitrate, but I wrote that it would soon be about silt.

Now, what was the point of all this? Why should the NRDC and the EPA think the nonpoint nitrate TMDL in the San Lorenzo River Watershed is such a big deal? It’s gonna take a little while for this one to sink in.

Mud.

Wherever there is dirt and water, there is mud. Whenever you mix mud and water, you get suspended silt. Mud is a nonpoint source of silt. Silt is found everywhere there is dirt, which is everywhere. If you want to control the use of dirt, just call it a pollutant! It isn’t clean water any more, it’s dirty. People don’t want dirty water. They want clean water. Just ask them.

To determine culpability for a source of silt is even harder than for nitrate. Nonpoint mud is a much harder sell for an initial action in nonpoint pollution enforcement than human feces. Natural causes of silt in the County of Santa Cruz vastly outweigh human contributions. Sources of silt vary by location and degree every year. To assign individual causes is highly subjective…

The State Water Resources Control Board employs five specialists assigned to institute nonpoint TMDL standards in the Central Coast Region. At the time of this writing, one third of the TMDL documents on their web site deal with the San Lorenzo River Watershed. Why are they focusing upon such a small community as the San Lorenzo Valley, in a County with timber practices touted as some of the finest in the world?

Santa Cruz County is a perfect test environment for enforcement of TMDL upon sources of nonpoint silt. It is one of the few places in the world with both nonpoint nitrate problems from urban and agricultural sources and silt problems involving a rural/suburban forest, coho salmon, and timber harvesting. It also has an entrenched activist bureaucracy, a thoroughly proven political machine, and a university activist community with which to supply the “experts” to make it all happen.

Few, even on this forum, paid any attention. 'Oh, that's just a local issue in loony Santa Cruz.' Yeah, right.

52 posted on 06/11/2012 6:51:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: rcrngroup

When will we finally come to a day when government employees are fearful? When will some / any figure out that they are being paid for nothing and it can’t last? When will some / any figure out that they have become enemies of the people and that the people will not tolerate it?


53 posted on 06/11/2012 7:34:06 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: lowbridge

Armed EPA?


54 posted on 06/11/2012 9:13:43 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: lowbridge
Isn't a human rectum, when suspended over a toilet, connected to a navigable waterway, and thus subject to EPA jurisdiction?

EPA's new motto: All your a--holes are belong to us :-)

55 posted on 06/11/2012 9:51:21 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Carry_Okie
I didn't realize you are in Santa Cruz. I used to live at La Selva Beach and had my first awakening into environmental politics when I built a new home above the Elkhorn Slough near Prunedale in Monterey Co.

It was about the time Santa Cruz Co had spent untold dollars on a bike path to link Santa Cruz to points south and after it was almost complete from two sides a gaggle of greenies stopped it from crossing about 150 feet of a canyon in Soquel because of some weeds or flies.

Have you ever run across Michael Shaw, by chance?

56 posted on 06/12/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: John W

I thought Indiana was where the DNR were outlawing the keeping of certain breeds of hogs (based on appearance) on farms under some sort of “feral hog” law...


57 posted on 06/12/2012 6:11:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Baynative
Have you ever run across Michael Shaw, by chance?

Michael Shaw does a lot of valuable work to complain about the Agenda 21 and educate people to the threat it portends. He has put a fair bit of money and time into it, printed pamphlets, distributed video, and the like. He has supported important lawsuits financially. Yet typical of Randians, he has no concept for practical means in free markets to deal with the problems arising out of modern scale, transportation, and chemistry. He babbles about liberty, but in my opinion, he doesn't understand the HOW when it comes to addressing real problems with some uses of private property arising out of changes due to modern technology. There are real problems with the common law foundation of our legal system and its lack of correspondence to physical reality that he just doesn't seem to grasp.

Michael indirectly got me involved in the Santa Cruz County Local Agenda 21 Biodiversity and Ecosystem Management Roundtable. On the committee, he showed up for a few early meetings, did no work, and contributed little in the way of ideas (I negotiated and wrote the draft). He hung around long enough to make sure "program h" was in the document, thus getting into an ordinance language stating that he could develop his property. That done, he was not to be seen again. When the final battle came over a year later and the "central committee" (IOW Jeannie Nordland and crew) forced a completely rewritten and fraudulent document down our throats, he was strangely absent. When I called him on it over the phone, he said, "you're doing a really good job."

I have more to say on that and more as a personal matter, but I'd rather say it to his face with independent witnesses present.

58 posted on 06/12/2012 7:08:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: rcrngroup

Haven’t you heard? Nobody has to “show up”. They just fly the drone over the farm then send him a summons in the mail. If the farmer doesn’t show up in court he loses his farm or at least pays a big fine.

This not only “ditch” take over. This is “Front and Back Yard” take over.


59 posted on 06/12/2012 9:06:12 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe this is the “third” think Perry couldn’t remember.

It appears there really is an Agenda 21.


60 posted on 06/12/2012 9:14:45 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross

Our mistake is buying into anything the U. N. globalists want us to.


61 posted on 06/12/2012 10:41:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Paladin2

Actually, that did happen in N Calif.

I lived there from 1993 to late 2004.

There were local Greenies proposals that ALL the rainfall & snowmelt was creating ‘watercourses’ which were then defined as ‘navigable waters’ & under the control of the county, the state & the Feds, etc.

I raised hell at the Supervisors meetings about this. Told them that I owned the land, paid my taxes on it & I didn’t control the RAIN——and NEITHER DID THEY!!!

This definition of ‘watercourses’ wouldn’t let a child’s bathtub boat sail in it.

They were dead serious. They thought they could invade my property & tell me where the rain could fall off the roof and where it could run downhill!!!

I told them they had better bring plenty of help if they were going to try and invade my property!


62 posted on 06/12/2012 4:45:26 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: j_hig
It actually is an "easement" which means it is subject to the whims of local gubmint. I live on a state highway, and when I wanted to make my driveway concrete, an Ohio DOT nerd showed up and tried to tell us we had to leave the last twenty feet between driveway and street as dirt. He had no coherent explanation. I suspect he may have been drinking by 11 AM.

He seemed to think water would run down my driveway then uphill, into the middle of the road and freeze, thus creating an ice spot in the highway. My driveway had been blacktop, and in 30-odd winters of course no such thing had ever happened. Water does not run uphill, even in NE Ohio.

My contractor was quite agitated but his business liocense was at stake so he had no choice but to yield. I was at work at the time but fortunately, Mrs Buzzard, who chews nails for breakfast, made the DOT squish relent and let the concrete be laid to within about ten feet of the road. I'll finish the rest myself, a bag or two at a time.

63 posted on 06/12/2012 4:46:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: MaxMax

Dismantle the EPA completely.

Even 3 of those Greenies can cause lots of trouble!!!


64 posted on 06/12/2012 4:47:47 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Ping!


65 posted on 06/12/2012 4:50:44 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Carry_Okie
Hi Carry. I bought your book and read it years ago and am still impressed with it. You are one of the true straight arrows around here.
66 posted on 06/12/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: lowbridge

Rick Perry was right. Defund them all. Shut them all down. Get them out of our lives.


67 posted on 06/12/2012 4:57:20 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: hinckley buzzard
Hi Carry. I bought your book and read it years ago and am still impressed with it.

Thank you. Natural Process was perhaps too deep and too far ahead of its time to be popular, but it surely planted some interesting seeds.

You are one of the true straight arrows around here.

It can be a pain to be "a straight arrow around here," as even FReepers have their positions organized around the false dichotomies the mediots present us. The usual "Republican" idea that environmental regulation actually protects us and that all we need to do is perform it better is a total crock. Large scale preservation may be the most destructive thing we have ever done to the land. That said...

Have you seen the more recent book CD on the Sabbath for the land? It starts slowly, but it's truly a mind blowing concept, one that is still growing as I retranslate Genesis 1-8 in its proper nomadic context. I'm not selling it any more as I plan to put the whole thing (all 1000pp of photographs) online this year, but if you want an ftp link please let me know.

68 posted on 06/12/2012 5:41:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: ridesthemiles
Where do these people find the time to run everyone else's life in addition to their own?

I barely have time to do half of what I should do to run my own life.

69 posted on 06/12/2012 5:55:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie
Shaw was up here on a tour of the Pacific Northwest last spring. We had breakfast at a friend's farm and he was well versed in the steps government and their partners in the NGOs are taking to gain control over us all.

He was clear about having been a leftie before going to war over his property. That's probably why he is impaired in some ways when it comes to recognizing solutions.

70 posted on 06/12/2012 9:23:48 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: Baynative
That's probably why he is impaired in some ways when it comes to recognizing solutions.

It's a failing of Randians in general, and lawyers in particular. He's both.

71 posted on 06/12/2012 9:29:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: lowbridge; All

If you want to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2861644/posts


72 posted on 06/22/2012 6:01:22 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: trubolotta

First of all the system of unincorporated areas having no local oversight is a major part of the problem. Back East, we had townships in areas of the counties that were outside of urban towns or cities. The townships are not only self-governing, they are self funding. The township residents determine what level of services they will have and how they will pay for them. The townships must still meet certain levels of health and safety.

As it stands, the unincorporated areas in WA are governed by centralized regulators and county councils that live mostly in the urban areas, as if the rural areas were nothing but colonies or feudal fiefs of the urban regulatory boards. This country ended colonial rule in 1776 and these lefties want to re-instate it.


73 posted on 06/23/2012 2:25:34 PM PDT by Eva
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