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Man Smacks Wife "Upside The Head" After She Uses Lord's Name In Vain During Argument
The Smoking Gun ^ | June 11, 2012

Posted on 06/11/2012 12:58:32 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: ScottinVA
There is no splitting the difference here. The guy used violence. No excuse.

I beg to differ, the law is many shades of gray. It's totalitarianism that is black and white with zero tolerance. Not for me, no thank you.

101 posted on 06/11/2012 7:21:11 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Free in Texas
But didn’t he take The Lord’s vengeance in his own hands when he struck her for blasphemy? Sounds like he’s in as much trouble with The Lord as she is, IMHO.

That makes sense, but the cops still through him in jail. No jail for blasphemy, tho. Caesar will still collect the money from the both of them, a secular tax on the blasphemous and vicious.

102 posted on 06/11/2012 7:26:21 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Earthdweller

What are you babbling about? Your whole response approaches that of a non sequitur, but I fail to find the comedy.


103 posted on 06/11/2012 7:32:45 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: EveningStar

Florida? - Jeb Bush?


104 posted on 06/11/2012 7:34:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Well, it was a good few thousand to run through the legal system for what we both look back on now as a silly matter that should have never seen the light of day. She used the cops against me like so many anecdotal stories you have heard. I chose not to divorce because I was a child of divorce, and it was me who kept the family together. My childrens’ mental health and financial future were too important to me, so I just put up with some undesirable behavior such as continual disrespect.

You hear that men lose their 2A right during these events, and that is true. The police raid your house and confiscate all weapons; quite intrusive. The women also lose their 2A right because the house is cleared of all guns including hers. In fact, she was caught with two loaded weapons in her car during the incident (which is a crime here, carrying a loaded weapon without a permit), but she was not arrested. Go figure. The police just believed whatever she told them. Your family (wife and kids) is then left in a house with no self defense capability. You also lose your property rights as you are ordered to stay away for what could be months. You are alienated from your children in the name of ‘safety’. I petitioned to lift this order immediately, but due to the usual bureacratic stupidity, the petition was ‘lost’. After rattling some cages, the judge finally said, ‘oh, you could have gone back a few months ago if I had known about this petition’.

All charges are usually dropped in these cases because the spouse usually is about to lose the gravy train. The police just want to do a SWAT raid on your house to play with their toys and steal weapons, the lawyers make a big chunk of money, and the judge gets to lecture someone on how he thinks your family should run.

The VAWA (google it) has caused a legal industry to flourish, but did it solve problems?


105 posted on 06/12/2012 12:45:46 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
"Your whole response approaches that of a non sequitur..."

A non sequitur?...that the house was hers as well as his and he had no right to abuse her in it? Listen genius, I don't know what school you learned your logic at but it appears you are due a refund.

Your arguments are so bizarre that I suspect you are a trouble-making lib/plant on this forum. I don't have time for illogical pests of your nature....be gone pest.

106 posted on 06/12/2012 1:03:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

So, just to get this straight.. you`re saying here there are instances in which smacking one`s wife upside the head might be appropriate.

If my daughter`s husband hit her, there`d be no need for cops or reports (aside from the missing persons variety). And I am dead-on serious about that. Any “man” who abuses his wife is not a man at all.


107 posted on 06/12/2012 1:24:59 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Earthdweller
Your arguments are so bizarre that I suspect you are a trouble-making lib/plant on this forum. I don't have time for illogical pests of your nature....be gone pest.

Fifty years ago, the Common Sense was a 'king in his castle'. Over the span of this time, the progressives have programed the masses to think a certain way which severely limits males' rights. That's a Great Leap forward in totalitarian thinking, not fairness. It's politically correct and I see you've bitten hook, line and sinker. The law is shades of gray but not in certain, politically correct, "special" cases, oddly where the cops, the legal system and the jails make tons of money.

The USA has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world, currently 40% higher than Russia. So have pride in our legal/incarceration system, Earthdweller. I think it a national disgrace and, quite frankly, our criminal justice personnel conduct themselves much more poorly than the citizens they arrest.

108 posted on 06/12/2012 5:37:01 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: ScottinVA
If my daughter`s husband hit her, there`d be no need for cops or reports (aside from the missing persons variety). And I am dead-on serious about that. Any “man” who abuses his wife is not a man at all.

And you certainly should be within your Common Sense rights to protect and defend the honor of your daughter. However, you;d certainly break the law and, if caught, would go to prison, not jail.

Why would all these laws against violence towards women begin? Because of a significant problem of violence against women mostly by the male population who served in WWII. Almost all males in the USA served in WWII. A lot of these males abused their wives because that was an accepted behavior. Accepted by society, the legal system and religions. So, these guys, these heros of WWII, were actually the perpetuators of domestic violence; there's no other demographic.

I submit these heros were "men" even though they unfortunately beat their women. The law has changed that since the 50's and 60's, but it doesn't take away from the fact that many of these very strong and courageous men promoted domestic abuse. They were "men" and courageous men to boot.

Our society has been reprogrammed. A Great Leap Forward. However, the shades of innocence or guilt contain no Common Sense anymore. Just Zero Tolerance and corresponding huge revenue for the state.

109 posted on 06/12/2012 5:53:35 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: AlmaKing
Well, it was a good few thousand to run through the legal system for what we both look back on now as a silly matter that should have never seen the light of day.

What is striking in your case is how many Constitutional rights were lost by the invocation of a "special" law against a particular, "special", crime.

Thank you for your answer and for your candor.

110 posted on 06/12/2012 6:06:02 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Well, that’s an interesting spin... attributing the abuse problem in previous generations to experiences in WWII. I have known in my life many WWII veterans, combat and not, and not one of them has raised a hand to his wife. The fact it was “accepted behavior” in some quarters doesn’t legitimize it, just as the concept of homosexual “marriage” bears no greater legitimacy than it did in the 1950s.

You’re giving rationale to this type of behavior, regardless of how you might try to express it. That type of approach to marital resolution would be more welcome in a hellhole like Pakistan.


111 posted on 06/12/2012 6:07:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: ScottinVA
You’re giving rationale to this type of behavior, regardless of how you might try to express it.

No I am not. I am reviewing the development of the law from a half-century ago to now and specifically attempting to disprove your statement about "men". That's it. I said nothing about other countries, nor Pakistan, nor homos for that matter. Specifically about your comment about men.

It doesn't matter whether you nor I have any knowledge of abuse surrounding the specific WWII veterans we have known in the past. It is the only fundamental demographic of men upon which the laws of change have been built.

112 posted on 06/12/2012 6:39:06 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: trisham

Ditto. that is one of the most asinine things I’ve read in a while, and I’ve seen a lot of asinine statements lately.


113 posted on 06/12/2012 7:34:47 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

That’s a disgusting slur against the brave men who served in WWII.


114 posted on 06/12/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mnehring

Thanks, mnehring.


115 posted on 06/12/2012 7:56:13 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
That’s a disgusting slur against the brave men who served in WWII.

No it is not, as my observation only includes a portion of those great men.

Domestic violence law changes were made upon the behavior of a certain male demographic of that time. It is not a slur upon the whole group and I specifically state the men were brave, courageous. But some of them were flawed and upon that demographic, the domestic violence laws were changed, mostly for the better but now morphing into a revenue stream for the state and not necessarily helping the families in peril.

What is disgusting is your use of patriotism to negate a fact you obviously do not want to consider. Last refuge and all that.

116 posted on 06/12/2012 8:14:21 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: mnehring
Ditto. that is one of the most asinine things I’ve read in a while, and I’ve seen a lot of asinine statements lately.

Ahh, consensus has been reached amongst the group think. Thank you.

117 posted on 06/12/2012 8:17:43 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Attitudes like what I’ve seen expressed here, that there is somehow justification to assault another person, is exactly why I not only encourage women to get take classes on and get their handgun carry license, but I also teach them.

There is no legal or moral justification for assaulting another person, period.


118 posted on 06/12/2012 8:26:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

What an asinine statement, advocating spousal abuse is not Christian, God did not put you in the position to judge blasphemy, that’s his job.

Perhaps moving to Pakistan would be more appropriate for you.


119 posted on 06/12/2012 8:39:39 AM PDT by PT57A
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Fifty years ago, the Common Sense was a 'king in his castle'.

Fifty years ago, if a man hit his wife, her brother or father would make sure that so-called man would never consider hitting her again.

120 posted on 06/12/2012 8:40:06 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Yes, how Christian of him to strike his wife! Obviously violence is the answer to someone committing a verbal transgression. That is how Christian faith is to be defended! By violence against anyone who uses words that we do not like!/s

You are a piece of work.

And that work is in the septic tank.

121 posted on 06/12/2012 8:40:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: mnehring
Attitudes like what I’ve seen expressed here, that there is somehow justification to assault another person

Never once have I advocated justifiable assault.

122 posted on 06/12/2012 8:44:58 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Never once have I advocated justifiable assault.

No, you have been advocating unjustified assault.

123 posted on 06/12/2012 8:46:32 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: PT57A
Perhaps moving to Pakistan would be more appropriate for you.

Another GroupThinker who joined FR just two days ago.

124 posted on 06/12/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: mnehring

I have not advocated assault.


125 posted on 06/12/2012 8:50:34 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: allmendream

Obviously, there are some topics upon which the consensus just doesn’t tolerate investigation in any manner, shape or form. Thank you, comrade.


126 posted on 06/12/2012 8:54:29 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Then someone hacked your account because upthread someone was using your account to make completely stupid statements defending a guy for smacking his wife and tried to justify it with some twisted perversion of Christianity that says it is ok to commit violence on another because of the words they use.

I would suggest changing your password before they make you look even more stupid.


127 posted on 06/12/2012 9:05:45 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Its “group think” when people disagree with you, is that how it goes in your world?


128 posted on 06/12/2012 9:06:57 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Please cite my advocacy of assault and not your interpretation of my argument, if you please, because your interpretation is fatally flawed.


129 posted on 06/12/2012 9:10:54 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Obviously there are lackwits whose words are so inconsequential that they must resort to violence when confronted with a verbal exchange they do not like.

Consensus has nothing to do with your attitude other than the general consensus that the braying of an ass is most likely from a stubborn ass.

Yes, “comrade” - because anyone who thinks a theologically confused person committing violence in the name of Christ in response to words is wrong must OBVIOUSLY be a Communist!!!!

What a piece of work you are.

And that work is in the septic tank.

130 posted on 06/12/2012 9:11:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: mnehring
Its “group think” when people disagree with you, is that how it goes in your world?

Disagreement is good, mn. It's the ad hominem attacks we need less of and more focus on specific statements. People have opinions and shout out what they know rather than address the point of disagreement. I'm not accusing you of that, by the way. Any time a thread begins, there are shout outs. Now, I admit my first statement was tongue in cheek and I thought I've explained that upstream in post #42. But from there on, I got to be thinking about how terrible families suffer from domestic violence, particularly after the perp is arrested (i.e. financially). So I start advocating for an investigation of the financial cost to the families and all of a sudden I'm shouted down big time. What's not to wonder about that?

131 posted on 06/12/2012 9:18:52 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

You can start with post #2.

Have you ever thought that if everyone is telling the sky is blue, and you still insist it is purple, it is maybe you who needs your eyes checked.


132 posted on 06/12/2012 9:20:36 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Correction, post #3.


133 posted on 06/12/2012 9:21:20 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: EveningStar

someone remind that abusive dipshit to bow to Mecca and worship loser myth Allah, while he’s at it.


134 posted on 06/12/2012 9:21:37 AM PDT by Longdriver
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I got to be thinking about how terrible families suffer from domestic violence, particularly after the perp is arrested (i.e. financially).....

The 'perp' should be the one to think about that before he raises a fist. It is not the police officer's job to 'weight the financial cost' when arresting the perp. It is his job to stop the assault and make sure the violence doesn't continue until the matter is resolved- ie, arrest the person who committed the assault and remove them from the situation to stop the violence. A district attorney and/or grand jury are the ones who first 'weigh that cost', as they should. A police officer is not a judge or jury. I am also certain that the person who is being assaulted doesn't care about potential financial costs while being struck.

135 posted on 06/12/2012 9:25:35 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I would like to think you didn’t read my post #131 before you posted your 132 and 133.


136 posted on 06/12/2012 9:26:35 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Nope, I was wrong. You have a shout out too.


137 posted on 06/12/2012 9:28:16 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I didn’t, however your lame attempt to roll back your prior comment is just as bad as your lame attempt at justifying his actions by claiming she was ‘assaulting him’ with her words and is just as guilty.


138 posted on 06/12/2012 9:29:39 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: allmendream

Angry, mean-spirited response. For this you dream?


139 posted on 06/12/2012 9:30:58 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Don’t bother posting to me again. I have rarely seen such cowardly garbage in my life.


140 posted on 06/12/2012 9:36:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mnehring

Good grief, cite my advocacy for assault, if you please. You have accused me of advocating assault.


141 posted on 06/12/2012 9:39:07 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

You condone beating your wife for blasphemy, that is muslim group-think, and you will simply have to accept the fact that a newbie is smarter than you no matter how unpalatable that is to someone of your intellectual caliber.


142 posted on 06/12/2012 9:40:27 AM PDT by PT57A
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To: trisham

You are an expert in cowardly garbage?


143 posted on 06/12/2012 9:41:21 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Well I didn’t slap the “work” out of you - so you should be grateful.

Because OBVIOUSLY physical assault is the valid response to verbal exchanges.

Go away troll. Go bray like an ass somewhere else.


144 posted on 06/12/2012 9:43:36 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Boogieman

LOL, is there something I’m missing here?


145 posted on 06/12/2012 9:53:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Laz is the resident expert on “hittin’” women, so to speak :)


146 posted on 06/12/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Oops, ;^) Okay.


147 posted on 06/12/2012 12:10:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: humblegunner
You sure are awfully noteworthy today...

All these posts, this thread, people taking this stupid crap serious, and not one goes for the obvious. I'm disappointed. Take note of that, would 'ya?


148 posted on 06/12/2012 2:26:29 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Will Rodgers would be aghast at things today, but he might like his road if they'd wave the toll)
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To: BlueDragon
You sure are awfully noteworthy today...

Some folks just have a perverse & unhealthy obsession.
Not my problem and I can't solve it, so worrying about it is a waste.

The Gap Band - Oops Upside Your Head

Brilliant! Well played.

149 posted on 06/12/2012 2:39:13 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Thank you. The lyric sorta’ sticks in one’s mind. Maybe it’s the repeating it about 500 times?


150 posted on 06/12/2012 2:48:11 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Will Rodgers would be aghast at things today, but he might like his road if they'd wave the toll)
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