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Will North Dakota be the first state to end property taxes?
Post Bulletin ^ | 6/11/12 | Josh Goodman

Posted on 06/11/2012 2:27:22 PM PDT by Libloather

Will North Dakota be the first state to end property taxes?
By Josh Goodman
Associated Press
Posted: Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 am

WASHINGTON — North Dakota voters on Tuesday will decide the fate of a ballot initiative that would make the state the first in the country to end property taxes.

If any state is going to take such a dramatic step, North Dakota would seem to be a likely candidate. North Dakota is generally a conservative state, and fiscal conservatives generally support lower taxes. The state is also experiencing a surge in tax revenue unrivaled elsewhere. The property tax is often described as the least popular of the taxes that fund state and local government.

Yet even those ingredients don’t appear as though they will be enough. The reason why is that, regardless of what interest or what party they represent, the powers-that-be in North Dakota have a preference for caution. That same preference exists in other states, which is why the most sweeping ballot measures to change or limit government have tended to fail lately.

Supporting the end of the property tax are a small group of amateur activists led by Charlene Nelson, a stay-at-home mom from Harmony Township in Casselton, North Dakota who homeschools her three boys. Nelson says she’s put 13,000 miles on her car since February traveling the state in support of Measure 2. Her husband just changed the oil for the fourth time.

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KEYWORDS: dakota; keystonexl; north; northdakota; oilshale; property; propertytaxes; taxes
a small group of amateur activists

Compared to the freeloaders - a small group of professional activists.

1 posted on 06/11/2012 2:27:35 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Be prepared for an influx of citizens. No, make that a stamdpede.
2 posted on 06/11/2012 2:33:20 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Libloather

Of course, all the public gubmint unions are opposed to this.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 2:38:57 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Sir Napsalot
And with the 1st REAL HARD COLD winter watch them stampede right back out! Lived there most of my life . . . it takes a strong will and a hardscrabble attitude to stay where it can go weeks without getting even above Zero.
4 posted on 06/11/2012 2:41:01 PM PDT by clifcrds (To be safe . . . get used to saying "Yes, He Cares For The Poor".)
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To: Libloather
Will North Dakota be the first state to end property taxes?

Watch for a stampede because of a mass exodus from Minnesota.

5 posted on 06/11/2012 2:41:11 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Libloather

Rush says they don’t have the balls. I agree.


6 posted on 06/11/2012 2:42:01 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Libloather

North Dakota is part of the Spine of America. North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 2:43:08 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Sir Napsalot

Property tax make property ownership impossible since you essentially are renting from the county. If you don’t pay the rent, the property is returned to the county and sold to others for the back rent.


8 posted on 06/11/2012 2:43:49 PM PDT by The Old Commander (Anyone who votes for Obama is either delusional or a moron)
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To: Libloather
Ending property taxes? You mean, ending the rental payments on the property you think you own to local government?

If you don't pay up, force will be used against you to ensure that you do. In my book, this means you don't own the property.

9 posted on 06/11/2012 2:44:08 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Libloather
I'd bet they keep property taxes.
ND is a prairie populist kind of state...
10 posted on 06/11/2012 2:53:15 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: The Old Commander
>>> Property tax make property ownership impossible ....

How is that so? You still buy and sell real estate properties, there are still deeds for ownership.

From what I read ND had surplus revenues so they don't depend on property tax to provide citizens services. ??? (Maybe I got the Measure 2 wrong.)

Elimination of it definitely will attract more citizens and businesses to relocate to their state.

11 posted on 06/11/2012 2:59:54 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Nobody owns any property, everyone rents from the county. Don’t pay and they evict your ass.


12 posted on 06/11/2012 3:03:01 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Libloather
a small group of amateur activists

For a second there I thought this might be a story about the Obama Administration.

13 posted on 06/11/2012 3:05:14 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You are exactly right.

Rural population fears loss of services and the swells in the bigger towns like having somebody else’s money to spend.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 3:13:20 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Sir Napsalot
And in New Hampshire:
Constitutional amendment banning income tax will go to voters in November


15 posted on 06/11/2012 3:14:17 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Libloather
The property tax is often described as the least popular of the taxes that fund state and local government.

No wonder! Unless a person is super wealthy, it forces him either to become a working farmer or cattleman, so that he can afford the taxes on his spread. Or to forgo the dream of ever owning a spread in the first place and moving into some urban ghetto where the government and other busybodies can keep an eye on him. The dream that was America really died with the institution of the property tax. It makes everyone an indentured servant of the state.

16 posted on 06/11/2012 3:17:10 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: The Old Commander

Yup. It’s criminal. There are other ways to raise revenue than to drive folks from their homes. No government should be able to tax you out of your house (or other property/wealth, for that matter). Personally, I’m definitely taxed enough ... however ... given the choice, I would pay higher income tax to get rid of the property tax. That way, when I’m no longer earning, I don’t have to fear being homeless thanks to my ‘benevolent’ government.


17 posted on 06/11/2012 3:18:45 PM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: EGPWS

“Will North Dakota be the first state to end property taxes?

Watch for a stampede because of a mass exodus from Minnesota.”

Count me as a MN resident that would highly consider such a move.


18 posted on 06/11/2012 3:23:30 PM PDT by lquist1
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To: Libloather
I'm actually thinking that ending property taxes is a bad idea, as it takes away people having skin in the game.

Its much easier to raise someone else’s taxes than your own, and property taxation if flat and fair.

Lower the millage rates, but don't get rid of them.

19 posted on 06/11/2012 3:54:03 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Libloather
"Will North Dakota be the first state to end property taxes?"

No. The overpaid government and government-linked parasites will be less politically active after the needed economic collapse. Then property taxes will probably be abolished in most other states.

Residential real estate will be declining for at least another 20 years. Good riddance to the legalized robberies from those rackets.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 4:27:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: SampleMan

also one of the main reasons for the property tax is to keep the extremely wealthy from buying up all the land and making everyone rent from them.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The won’t repeal property tax. The rural fire and police departments are worried about losing control and have led the effort to vote it down..


22 posted on 06/11/2012 4:34:51 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Libloather

A continuing taxation of property is anti-ownership. In fact, one could argue that one can never truly own property when it is taxed at continuing intervals.

Tax it on purchase as a sales tax. I would understand that. Afterwards, though, it is the property of whomever has purchased it.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 4:39:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: clifcrds
"And with the 1st REAL HARD COLD winter watch them stampede right back out! Lived there most of my life . . . it takes a strong will and a hardscrabble attitude to stay where it can go weeks without getting even above Zero."

I live in a place with temperatures down to -30 F and 100 mph + winter winds. North Dakota would be easy. Temp here in the teens last night (high elevation on the Rockies).

It will be good to watch the socialist political regulators fall from their government support like flies and slide back to the cities. IMO, they should be sent back to Europe, where their very recent ancestors came from. One (an unemployed elementary school teacher from New Jersey) shot the back window out of my vehicle, as I drove slowly past her house on May Day. She was apparently foreclosed on and moved out during the past few days.

Have fun. Enjoy the economic slide. I know that I will. Starve the B. right out of politics.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 4:42:37 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Libloather

Time to buy property there.

I grew up there in Bismarck til the 9th grade.


25 posted on 06/11/2012 4:44:44 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Libloather

I know this is a real challenge, but it must be done.

Paying eternal rent into perpetuity for your home, to never be able to own it, is too fundamentally wrong to not have to eliminate it.


26 posted on 06/11/2012 4:57:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
also one of the main reasons for the property tax is to keep the extremely wealthy from buying up all the land and making everyone rent from them.

Instead, the government effectively owns all of the land and everyone pays rent to them.
27 posted on 06/11/2012 5:00:53 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

yep, and that bites almost as bad. But at least it tamps down on the envy of the rich.


28 posted on 06/11/2012 5:15:43 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
We don't have prop taxes in rural Alaska. School districts in rural areas spend about 30-40% less per pupil in education; usually on books, computers, and supplies.

Personally, I don't mind paying 2K/year if we see improvements in education. What I hate is how it quickly grows to 5K/year.

Many rural communities have become poverty centers as people move to areas with less taxation and then try to live off the land, no joke. That ends up meaning disability, welfare, and govt checks providing what income they have. Not always a good outcome though that may seem hard to imagine.

29 posted on 06/11/2012 5:28:51 PM PDT by Eska
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To: lquist1

I’d reccomend the trees & lakes area of ND, when you look for real estate. (snort...


30 posted on 06/11/2012 5:36:24 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Libloather

Debra Medina had that as a platform in her run against Perry for the Governors seat in Texas. Everyone labeled her a kook.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 5:50:25 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Ever notice that when a beggar gets a donation, they immediately put their hand out for more.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
yep, and that bites almost as bad. But at least it tamps down on the envy of the rich.

I don't know about that. The "Occupy" morons and leftists in general still manage to play on people's envy of the rich, even though, ironically, most rich people seem to be Democrat contributors. At least if the rich owned the land and made people pay rent, everyone could see the situation for what it is. Now, everyone accepts the government's right to tax the land without questioning how it is that the government thinks it owns everything.
32 posted on 06/11/2012 8:29:18 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Puckster

I might think long on this issue. The state is missing around $850 million now, without the property tax. They will have to make that money up. This translates into huge sales tax or huge income tax....take your pick, but you lose in the end.

It would have been different if they had a huge pension burden from the state employees or state cops, but they didn’t. And cutting off the cost of running the state operation....probably isn’t that practical (North Dakota isn’t like California or Florida with massive overhead).


33 posted on 06/12/2012 3:19:47 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Libloather
I'm curious about the mechanism they will use to pay for desirable local and county government services and employees?
It looks like North Dakota currently has the whole trifecta of property, sales and state income taxes.
I would think ditching the income tax would make more sence in the long run, but hey, it's their state, and they can do whatever they want!

Best of wishes for ND, either way they decide, from a Florida resident who will not be impacted in any way by their decision.

34 posted on 06/12/2012 6:12:02 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

thanks Libloather, additional:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2894143/posts


35 posted on 06/13/2012 4:05:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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