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Jeb Bush: Reagan Would Have a Hard Time in Today’s ‘Dysfunctional’ GOP
PJM ^ | 6/11/2012 | Brian Preston

Posted on 06/11/2012 9:14:09 PM PDT by Qbert

Former FL Gov. Jeb Bush says Ronald Reagan would have a hard time winning the Republican nomination today, because the party has veered too far to the right, and is “dysfunctional.”

“Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad — they would have a hard time if you define the Republican party — and I don’t — as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement, doesn’t allow for finding some common ground,” Bush said, adding that he views the hyper-partisan moment as “temporary.”

“Back to my dad’s time and Ronald Reagan’s time – they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support,” he said. Reagan “would be criticized for doing the things that he did.”

The GOP has nominated a Bush in 2000, re-nominated him in 2004, and then nominated centrist John McCain in 2008 and centrist Mitt Romney in 2012. During this same period, the Democrats nominated a sitting vice president once seen as a centrist but who had flown hard left on environmental causes, a left of center senator from blue Massachusetts, a left of center senator from blue Illinois, will soon re-nominate him after a left of center term as president. The Democrats made all of these nominations after two successful terms by centrist, DLC alum Bill Clinton, effectively repudiating centrism.

Of the two major parties, the evidence suggests that it is the Democrats who have radicalized to a greater degree than the Republicans have. The Republicans have responded to this Democratic leftward lurch by emphasizing economic issues, chiefly excess government spending and corresponding stress on the private sector in the form of high unemployment. If the Republicans had ignored these issues, it would have failed to stand on its core principles, and would have spawned a third party as fiscal hawks in the Tea Party and the GOP bolted to form a more fiscally serious party.

The fact is, Jeb Bush’s read of the past 30 years or so and of the current state of play between the two parties and their trajectories, is terrible. Jeb Bush’s analysis is incomplete at best if he sees the GOP as more sharply partisan now than it was under Reagan. Reagan spared nothing when criticizing Democrat and socialist policies. He went over the heads of the Democrats and the media to articulate his goals, and used the presidency effectively to achieve them. He occasionally compromised, and was sometimes criticized by many Republicans when he did, but more often than not his compromises brought the Democrats to the right, not the Republicans to the left. Jeb Bush apparently forgets that after Reagan signed one of his arms deals with the Soviets, many in the GOP base accused him of lapsing and becoming a Democrat again; he was criticized when his policies warranted it by his own party. Bush also apparently forgets this his own father coined the phrase “voodoo economics” to describe Reagan’s economic policies. That was before George H. W. Bush accepted the vice presidential nod from Reagan, such is the nature of politics. Bush 41 did find the common ground that Jeb Bush seems to hope current Republicans will find with Democrats, in the form a huge tax increase that sparked a recession and cost him his presidency. Bush 41′s finding common ground with Democrats paved the way for eight years of Bill Clinton. Is that the sort of functional party that Jeb Bush wants? — one that compromises on bad policy and hurts the country and itself at the same time? One that just becomes Democrat-lite rather than pulling Democrats over to support conservative ideas? One that creates “Obamicans” rather than Reagan Democrats? That isn’t how Bush governed Florida, and it’s among the reasons he left office as a very popular man.

There obviously is room for Ronald Reagan and the Bushes in today’s GOP. Romney is obviously to the left, at least if you go by past policy, of Reagan and Bush 43. If Jeb Bush cannot see that, or see how the media will play up his comments to hurt the Republicans, then that’s on him, not the party. He needs some brush-up media training to remind him that whatever he says about Democrats, if he reserves his sharpest criticisms for Republicans, that will feed the headlines.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: endthemonarchy; jebbush; reagan
With "friends" like these...
1 posted on 06/11/2012 9:14:13 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Reagan left the Democratic party because the Democratic party left him.

The Bushes all joined the Democratic party.


2 posted on 06/11/2012 9:18:30 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Qbert
Jeb Bush: Reagan Would Have a Hard Time in Today’s ‘Dysfunctional’ GOP

Jeff Chandler: Jeb Bush Is a Horse's Ass


3 posted on 06/11/2012 9:18:51 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Qbert

I have two words for jeb bush.

Teri Schiavo.


4 posted on 06/11/2012 9:18:59 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Amen.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 9:22:34 PM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: DaveTesla

Jeb is right, Reagan would have a hard time at age 101.


6 posted on 06/11/2012 9:22:44 PM PDT by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: DaveTesla

Jeb is right, Reagan would have a hard time at age 101.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 9:23:09 PM PDT by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Patrick1

I would take a 101 year old Reagan over any Bush and Obama!


8 posted on 06/11/2012 9:28:02 PM PDT by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: Qbert

RINOs.

When they’re not telling us we wouldn’t elect Reagan today, they’re telling us his era is over and to MoveOn.


9 posted on 06/11/2012 9:34:54 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Qbert

I’ve often maintained that we electec the wrong Bush when we put W in the White House, and Jeb had a decent conservative record as governor of Florida. But for little Jebbie to call today’s GOP “dysfunctional”, when a huge measure of the blame for the problems conservatives will face when we reclaim the White House and the Senate can in large measure be laid at the feet of “Read my Lips” daddy and Jeb’s budget-busting older brother W, is hutzpah at a world-class level.


10 posted on 06/11/2012 9:36:57 PM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: Qbert

How dare Jeb belittle the greatest president of the 20th century.

Nah, I put up with “read my lips” and lied and i do not understand why Reagan made him the VP.

I liked GW until he got involved in foreign wars, which another George warned against. I would have just blown their stupid countries apart and promised to do it again if they wanted to bring it to a test.

But for Jeb to attack the greatest Prez in the 20th Century? Give me a break. He is probably sobbing over the fact that his daddy and his sibling couldn’t measure up.

There are great men, and then there are whiners.

Give me a break!

Blessings, Bobo


11 posted on 06/11/2012 9:49:16 PM PDT by bobo1
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To: Patrick1

Room temperature might be a challenge, too.

Re “veered to the right” — anybody think the Republican party has veered rightward?I can’t think of a single example. NCLB. No resistance to gargantuan government. Huge deficits under Bush. Failure to rein in Fannie Mae.


12 posted on 06/11/2012 10:01:13 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Qbert

If his claims were actually true he wouldn’t be saying such things, at least in public; he would be keeping his head low. With Romney winning the republican nomination RINO’s everywhere are feeling empowered in their attacks against conservatives - expect the trend to increase in the coming months.


13 posted on 06/11/2012 10:02:10 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: eclecticEel

The Bushes resent Reagan and the conservative members of the GOP.

I was never a Bush bot and the more I hear of the Bushes the less I want to do with any of them.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 10:08:04 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Qbert

Jeb and his whole family can kiss my skinny **S.
Two Bushes were more than enough, we don’t need another RINO.


15 posted on 06/11/2012 10:13:09 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Qbert

RINO is RINO


16 posted on 06/11/2012 10:17:07 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: eclecticEel

"If his claims were actually true he wouldn’t be saying such things"

Backstabber Jeb's mad because he looks at Wisconsin and sees a future Reagan changing minds because of Conservative reforms, and he sees the governor of his old state standing up to the bullies in the DOJ... meanwhile Jeb's predictable, sanctimonious, pandering vision is getting left by the wayside.

17 posted on 06/11/2012 10:18:13 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert; All
Hey Jebbie?

STFU, you pathetic sack o' RINO-sh*t, go look up Judge George W. Greer and see if he still has your balls floating in formaldehyde on his trophy shelf, Ronald Reagan would NEVER have let a pipsqueak, legally blind backwater probate judge like Greer get away with murdering Terri Schiavo via judicial fiat. The Gipper would have personally led the Florida National Guard and the FDLE to where Terri was being denied food and water, because he had GUTS, something you didn't have, and never WILL have!
18 posted on 06/11/2012 10:18:42 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: Qbert

I am prepared to take the heat for the following statement.

I believe Reagan was the best president of our era.

However...He was disparaged a lot during his terms.

He became the “best” after he left office and in retrospect.


19 posted on 06/11/2012 10:18:55 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

"I am prepared to take the heat for the following statement. I believe Reagan was the best president of our era. However...He was disparaged a lot during his terms."

Why would it even matter to you in the first place if a bunch of economic illiterate leftists disparaged him?

20 posted on 06/11/2012 10:28:36 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

... and digruntled RINO GOP-establishment types as well.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 10:33:44 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Spartan79

In other words, Jeb Bush hates the tea party. Tough! We don’t like him either. We’ve had enough with high-spending Bush’s.


22 posted on 06/11/2012 10:33:51 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Re veered to the right”

Let me see. Over the past 30 years the libs have tried to cram
extreme environmentalism, gay rights including marriage, business
over regulation, over taxation, open borders, a depleted military, an
anti religious agenda, and any number of other anti American ideas
down our throats. As conservatives we oppose these efforts and we
are “dysfunctional”. Our job has ALWAYS been to resist the many
bad ideas of the left. This crap is both funny and sad.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 10:35:48 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Qbert

Why is this cowardly assclown Jeb Bush popping up all of a sudden?
Good grief, go away already.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 10:39:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: berdie
He became the “best” after he left office and in retrospect.

Not to me and millions of Americans, we knew that a giant was in the White House during the Reagan years, we knew that we were living through the presidency of a major historical figure.

That was the main reason for all of the enthusiasm and confidence during the Reagan years globally, people knew that Reagan was changing the rules and was altering the state of the world.

25 posted on 06/11/2012 10:47:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: berdie

“Reagan...was disparaged a lot during his terms.”

And before. Remember the disparaging phrase “voodoo economics”?

It’s funny now to hear Jeb pretend his dad and Reagan were ideological soulmates.

But Jeb’s probably just frustrated that he’s not going to inherit the dynasty.


26 posted on 06/11/2012 10:48:56 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Qbert

I think you may have missed my point.

I don’t care what who said back during the day. But I lived thru those days.

He was not as revered then as he is now.

I heard an interesting interview with Michael Reagan.

Paraphrasing his comments..We weren’t looking for a Reagan back then. It just happened.


27 posted on 06/11/2012 10:54:41 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Qbert

stay out the bushes!


28 posted on 06/11/2012 11:01:48 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: ansel12

I am glad you saw it and recognized him for what he was.

As I recall, back in the day, we had no alternate media.

As I recall, we heard a lot of negatives.

But he was absolutely the best.


29 posted on 06/11/2012 11:02:31 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Hunton Peck

“just frustrated that he’s not going to inherit the dynasty”

That’s the truth!!


30 posted on 06/11/2012 11:05:23 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

People were pumped during the Reagan years, hope and optimism, pride, and patriotism were plentiful.

Military enlistments were high and happy, soldiers finally started getting high tech gear at the ordinary grunt level, to replace inferior things that hadn’t changed since WWII, Gore-Tex, good winter gear, bullet proof helmets, MREs, etc., people wanted to get in and serve under Reagan.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 11:14:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Qbert

What exactly is Jeb selling?


32 posted on 06/11/2012 11:45:52 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Qbert

The democrats controlled Congress in the time of Reagan. Reagan had no choice but to compromise with the democrats.

In GW Bush’s time, Republicans controlled Congress reflecting the right tilt mood of the electorate. Today the electorate is still tilting to the right. There is no need to compromise with the Left now.


33 posted on 06/12/2012 12:02:35 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: pallis

What is he selling? Himself in the VP spot, that’s what. Just what we need. NOT! Go away, Jeb. We don’t want you.

I have a sinking feeling that Romney has made some kind of deal involving Jeb and Rove. Barf!

Hey, RINOs, I want Allen West! If you want my vote, don’t give me 2 RINOs on the ticket.


34 posted on 06/12/2012 12:47:08 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: DaveTesla

“Reagan left the Democratic party because the Democratic party left him.

The Bushes all joined the Democratic party.”

I wonder if that is too long for a tagline.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 12:50:09 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Hunton Peck

Dangit. Now there are two potential taglines in this thread alone.

Decisions, decisions.....

(not that I’m complaining, mind. ;-) :-) )


36 posted on 06/12/2012 12:51:39 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Qbert

Reagan had a hard time with the GOP back then. He wasn’t supposed to win according to the elites.


37 posted on 06/12/2012 3:52:06 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Qbert

The truth is, if the daddy Bush wing of the Gop had their way, Reagan would have never been elected. Daddy Bush was an unsuccessful, one term President because he went against Reagan’s conservative reform. Ever since we read his lips about no new taxes and then he proceeded to join his lefty friends across the aisle, abandoned the cause of cutting government and raised taxes, he has been campaigning for the ‘moderation’ of raise taxes and ending efforts of ‘extremist’ reform.

Jeb is a crusader and a one note nelly for the legalization of all the millions of illegals who have invaded our country. His nonsense is that all the hispanics will vote for the GOP if only we legalize all of mexico’s peasants who have invaded our country.

The truth is, people who are racially indoctrinated by the left and vote by their skin with no concept of freedom, will not vote for the Gop. Racial pandering will not win over the left’s indoctrinated foreign tribalists.

The way to get the majority of votes in the US is to do what Daddy and Jeb don’t do too well but that Reagan did successfully. Sell America on it’s ideology of constitutional freedom and independence. Condemn the incompetent, unfair and poverty stricken ideology of socialism and it’s tribalism.


38 posted on 06/12/2012 6:16:09 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: pallis

"What exactly is Jeb selling?"

I think he's become obssessed with "his" issue. You are either a "good guy" who agrees with him on illegal immigration, or somebody who needs to be cut off at the knees.

It's the same old song and dance that other wannabe reformers have used: "The GOP is on the 'wrong side' of a certain issue (global warming, bailouts, socialized medicine, gay marriage, public sector unions, etc., etc.) and unless the GOP adopts the Democrat position, it will be forever left in the dustbin of history"... (which of course has been proven wrong time after time).

39 posted on 06/12/2012 7:23:45 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

You’ve got that right. Jeb and his GOP pals have done more than enough compromising with evil. We know where that road is taking us, and we don’t want to go there. Jeb should do us all a favor, and quit whining.


40 posted on 06/12/2012 8:12:42 AM PDT by pallis
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To: DaveTesla

Reagan spoke the truth fearlessly, Bush kissed up to the Dems.

The Bush name has lost its mojo. Just go away and count your money.


41 posted on 06/14/2012 6:37:58 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: freedomfiter2

This really makes you wonder how long the elites have been in control of the GOP.


42 posted on 06/14/2012 6:40:29 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Lancey Howard

Maybe Jeb thinks it’s his turn to run for president or maybe next time after a second Obama presidency.


43 posted on 06/14/2012 6:46:58 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

For the most part, the elites have been in charge of the GOP since they were called whigs. Reagan temporarily changed that with the building of a coalition of Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, supporters of national defense, and to some extent libertarians.


44 posted on 06/14/2012 7:13:00 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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