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Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Homicides Per year
WOAI Radio ^ | 06/11/2012 | Jim Forsyth

Posted on 06/12/2012 5:28:59 AM PDT by Afisra

Research conducted at Texas A&M University concludes that far from reducing crime rates, so called 'Stand your Ground' laws are actually responsible for a drastic increase in the number of homicides nationwide each year.

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Here comes the opposition.
1 posted on 06/12/2012 5:29:10 AM PDT by Afisra
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To: Afisra

“murders”

hahahahahahah

Velly funny

Deaths, ok, but murder implies innocence and these perps who got killed were not innocent.


2 posted on 06/12/2012 5:30:37 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Afisra

There is a big difference between murder and homicides.

It is not murder to kill someone who is trying to kill you, rob you ,or harm your family.

I have read many posts in Free Republic of burglars being shot and killed while in the act, it cuts down on the cost of a trial and makes the world safer for honest people.


3 posted on 06/12/2012 5:32:58 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Afisra

It is responsible for 700 bad guys dying each year instead of 700 good guys. I’m good with that.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 5:34:15 AM PDT by grb
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To: Afisra

It is responsible for 700 bad guys dying each year instead of 700 good guys. I’m good with that.


5 posted on 06/12/2012 5:34:28 AM PDT by grb
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To: Afisra
It's called "taking out the trash."

Now we know what the Saint Skittles public relations event was all about.

6 posted on 06/12/2012 5:34:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Afisra

Any source that equates justifiable homocide with murder should be laughed out of town. It would be more accurate to claim that the castle doctrine has saved taxpayers millions of dollars annually. Factoring in the reduced future robberies and injuries to victims as well as the cost of jailing the criminals and the number gets big fast.


7 posted on 06/12/2012 5:34:59 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Afisra
"Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for eliminating 500-700 Murders Murderers Per year"

There... fixed it

8 posted on 06/12/2012 5:37:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Afisra
responsible for a drastic increase in the number of homicides nationwide each year.
Except, of course, that the homicide rate has dropped by half in the last fifteen years.
9 posted on 06/12/2012 5:39:35 AM PDT by jdege
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To: yldstrk

Murder has a specific definition, it means the intentional killing of an innocent person.

The left would LOVE for it to be illegal to defend yourself.


10 posted on 06/12/2012 5:39:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Afisra
'Stand your Ground' laws are actually responsible for a drastic increase in the number of homicides nationwide each year.
If this is true, then 500-700 bad guys died instead of 500-700 good guys.
I can live with that.
11 posted on 06/12/2012 5:41:17 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Afisra
"While castle doctrine law may well have benefits to those protecting themselves in self-defense (meaning the individual cases where a person uses a weapon to deter a specific crime), there is no evidence that the law provides positive spillovers by deterring crime more generally," they say."

That it benefits those protecting themselves in self-defense should be enough.

12 posted on 06/12/2012 5:42:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: yldstrk

I want to know how much money Stand Your Ground laws have saved the states, prison systems, feds, etc. And how many innocent lives have been saved.

I think it should read, “500-700 criminals killed as citizens self-protect, saving the justice system zillions of dollars annually. Second Amendment groups honored.”


13 posted on 06/12/2012 5:42:26 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: jdsteel

here in MN, that’s around 40k per year.

It’d be cheaper to buy the murderer a house with inoperable doors and windows.


14 posted on 06/12/2012 5:43:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Afisra
Defensive use of force is ALWAYS ethical. You are preventing further harm being done to yourself, and to society at large.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an active danger to our freedom. Period.

15 posted on 06/12/2012 5:44:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: yldstrk

Actually, no. That’s not what the study claims.

“In fact, they say the response of criminals to the idea that the victim may be armed is to arm themselves as well, turning what otherwise would have been burglaries and robberies into homicides.”

Not saying I believe in their statistical manipulations; it just helps if we understand what the Left is saying.


16 posted on 06/12/2012 5:44:31 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Afisra
“We find the laws increase murder and manslaughter by a statistically significant 7 to 9 percent, which translates into an additional 500 to 700 homicides per year nationally in states which have adopted Castle Doctrine,” researchers Cheng Cheng and Mark Hoekstra of the Texas A&M University Department of Economics say in their report.

The report also shows an increase in what is termed ‘justifiable homicide’ by up to 50% annually. They say data released by the states showed a sharp increase in justifiable homicide in the years immediately after they approved Stand Your Ground laws.”

The “study” is just a correlation not an analysis of actual homicides and how they relate to the stand your ground laws. Correlation does not prove causality, there are probably many other factors influencing the data. The “study” also says justifiable homicide increased.

17 posted on 06/12/2012 5:45:00 AM PDT by detective
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To: Afisra
There was a whole bunch of people needing to be shot that weren't getting shot before!

It might taper off when things get caught up!

18 posted on 06/12/2012 5:45:22 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Afisra
So, if we take out 500 to 700 criminals every year, we can soon reduce our costs of housing, feeding and entertaining them in prisons. Win/win!
19 posted on 06/12/2012 5:46:28 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Afisra
It seems to me that the FBI report said that homicide was down. Murder of homeowners by armed invasion seems to be down. It seems that these people want to give criminals the right to rob, rape and kill homeowners.
20 posted on 06/12/2012 5:46:28 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Anyone who wants to use force to impose their will upon you will always oppose your ability to resist that use of force.


21 posted on 06/12/2012 5:46:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Afisra

Is homicide a crime? I thought it just meant killed.


22 posted on 06/12/2012 5:46:57 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Afisra

Too late to turn the tide, Americans will do what they must to survive, to protect their homes and family.

So who is defending those that want to take away life, liberty and freedom? To inflict grievous harm?

Stand your Ground laws need to stay, needs to be defended and should not be struck down simply because some groups are complaining they cannot “get their share of booty”.


23 posted on 06/12/2012 5:49:30 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Afisra

“While castle doctrine law may well have benefits to those protecting themselves in self-defense (meaning the individual cases where a person uses a weapon to deter a specific crime), there is no evidence that the law provides positive spillovers by deterring crime more generally,” they say.”

Talk about missing the point. I know criminals are generally stupid and not prone to making good decisions. It’s not about making them smarter, it’s about making sure innocent people have a chance to not to end up hurt or dead as a result of those decisions.

Yeesh.


24 posted on 06/12/2012 5:51:07 AM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: MrB
"The left would LOVE for it to be illegal to defend yourself."

Then we can rejoin the UK..... and be just like them.

Great people, and like us they have Stupid A$$ legislators

25 posted on 06/12/2012 5:52:10 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: SERE_DOC

Ours aren’t stupid, they’re evil.


26 posted on 06/12/2012 5:53:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Afisra
Libs can't tell the difference between an aggressor and a defender.
Justifiable homicide is not murder.
700 is less than 5% of the more than 15,000 murders per year in the US.
How is that a "drastic increase"?
It probably contributes to the overall decline in the murder rate.

27 posted on 06/12/2012 5:54:03 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: detective
The “study” is just a correlation not an analysis of actual homicides and how they relate to the stand your ground laws

It would seem this journalist lacks the ability to READ!

28 posted on 06/12/2012 5:55:32 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Afisra
Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Murders Per year

Research conducted at Texas A&M University concludes that far from reducing crime rates, so called 'Stand your Ground' laws are actually responsible for a drastic increase in the number of homicides nationwide each year.

All murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders.
29 posted on 06/12/2012 5:55:47 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: MrB

I stand corrected, they are evil....


30 posted on 06/12/2012 5:56:27 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Afisra

All murders are homicides bat all homicides are not murders. They change the topic from the headline to the story.


31 posted on 06/12/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy; the Obama way.)
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To: Afisra
Note the following:
In fact, they say the response of criminals to the idea that the victim may be armed is to arm themselves as well, turning what otherwise would have been burglaries and robberies into homicides.

"Regardless, the results indicate that a primary consequence of strengthening self-defense laws is increased homicide," the report concludes.
So if you protect yourself, you're increasing the risk that a buglar will kill you.
32 posted on 06/12/2012 5:59:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Afisra
Here is the report...

@Does Strengthening Self -Defense Law Deter Crime or Escalate Violence?
Evidence from Castle Doctrine

33 posted on 06/12/2012 6:05:44 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: tacticalogic
-- That it benefits those protecting themselves in self-defense should be enough. --

Indeed.

The source cited by the author is incorrect too, that there is no evidence of deterrent effect. There is plenty of evidence for the proposition that enabling citizens to use deadly force in self defense deters crime.

34 posted on 06/12/2012 6:05:57 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Afisra

In most states,murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.Notice I said unlawful.

Self defense is not unlawful in most cases.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 6:07:52 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action/junk science ping.

So now killings done in self-defense are now 'murders'. Brought to you by the same folks who call 17-y.o. gangbangers 'unarmed teenagers'...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

36 posted on 06/12/2012 6:09:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: MrB
The left would LOVE for it to be illegal to defend yourself.

Former Dim presidential candidate, M. Stanley Dukakis, as governor of MA, managed to get a "duty to flee" [from your own abode] law passed.

Dukakis was, probably still is, a kool-aid drinker, but I'm pretty sure the MA solons went along to protect their own ne'er-do-well offspring, relatives, and voters, from people with common sense.

37 posted on 06/12/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Afisra
"Stunning Report Propaganda: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Murders Per year "

Fixed it.

38 posted on 06/12/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: puppypusher

If the people dieing are the criminals, who really cares. If anything, I wish 50,000 perps died each year to remove them from civilization ands kjewep trhem from draining societal resources while being in prison.


39 posted on 06/12/2012 6:12:27 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Afisra

Murder? More like cleansing the gene pool.


40 posted on 06/12/2012 6:12:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: puppypusher

If the people dieing are the criminals, who really cares. If anything, I wish 50,000 perps died each year to remove them from civilization ands keep them from draining societal resources while being in prison.


41 posted on 06/12/2012 6:13:02 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: puppypusher

If the people dieing are the criminals, who really cares. If anything, I wish 50,000 perps died each year to remove them from civilization ands keep them from draining societal resources while being in prison.


42 posted on 06/12/2012 6:14:32 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Afisra
Stand your ground.... Saves 600 to 700 innocent lives...
Stand your ground saves the American citizen millions...
43 posted on 06/12/2012 6:15:08 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Afisra
Stunning Report: "Stand Your Ground" Laws Responsible for 500-700 Murders Per year

And to complete the headline:

Crime Rate Drops!

44 posted on 06/12/2012 6:15:17 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: yldstrk; Venturer; grb; E. Pluribus Unum; jdsteel; Mr. K; jdege; MrB; oh8eleven; tacticalogic; ...

Since the article doesn’t give a link, or even the name, of the report I found it and posted a link to the report in reply 33.


45 posted on 06/12/2012 6:15:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dangus
Agree with your take on it.
Apparently the belief of the left is that one should sit quietly while being robbed, offering no resistance or defense and thereby avoid having to shoot someone; that if someone dies, it is all the fault of the law abiding victim for daring to defend with force. Idiotic view, but yes that seems to be how they think.
46 posted on 06/12/2012 6:17:04 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Afisra
One quote from the article that annoys me:
The laws remove the so called 'duty to retreat' which dates from English Common Law. That tradition holds that before a person can use deadly force against an attacker, they must first take affirmative steps to defuse the situation.
The Common Law "duty to retreat" applied to an affray(brawl, fight between two or more people). If you were involved in a drunken brawl, or a fight over who disrespected who, then each participant has a legal duty to retreat rather than escalate the level of violence.

This "duty to retreat" did NOT give any duty to retreat from robbers, rapists, etc.

47 posted on 06/12/2012 6:17:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Joe Brower

Link to report in 33. May be worth a new ping so everyone can see what is being said from the horse’s mouth.


48 posted on 06/12/2012 6:17:19 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MrB

Agreed.

Too bad history shows that the only real way to keep these folks from imposing their will on the rest of us is to oppose them with violence.

Maybe it’s one of the reasons those “Old Dead White Guys” wrote a Second Amendment into our Bill of Rights. Ya’ think?


49 posted on 06/12/2012 6:19:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: philman_36

Well done!


50 posted on 06/12/2012 6:19:32 AM PDT by Afisra
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