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Onalaska parents say sex ed is too racy for 5th graders
KING 5 News ^ | June 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM | DREW MIKKELSEN

Posted on 06/12/2012 9:54:54 AM PDT by Sopater

ONALASKA, Wash. - You can tell Onalaska is old fashioned just by looking.

"We're in the country, we're small town, we like it that way,” said parent Kadra Gilliland.

But something at the elementary school last week has folks in this quiet town making noise.

"What gives this woman the right to come down here and go above our authority, is the way I look at it,” said parent Curt Pannkuk.

"I was one pissed off cowboy," said parent James Gilliland.

These parents are upset about a sex education class for the fifth graders last week.

"She learned oral sex and anal sex, things 10- and 11-year-olds do not need to know,” said Kadra.

When the school's principal, who was teaching the course, was asked what oral and anal sex were, she told the students.

James Gilliland couldn't believe it.

"It's basically the same as raping a kids mind and taking their innocence,” he said.

"I think the principal handled it appropriately at the time; she only gave factual information, no demonstrations,” said Onalaska Superintendent Scott Fenter.

Fenter says state law requires fifth graders to learn about sexually transmitted diseases.

Parents can review the curriculum, which does mention oral and anal sex, and can have their child excused.

But Fenter does not think the lesson goes too far.

"Because in 6th grade they start becoming sexually aware and you've got to teach them ahead of time,” he said.

"There are some questions you just don't answer or you answer them politically correctly; she was not politically correct,” said parent Jean Pannkuk.

School ends Friday, but these parents won't let their kids go back unless the curriculum is changed.

"Might as well give the kids a Kama Sutra book and teach 'em the same thing,” said James Gilliland.

Since 1988, state law has required some sort of sex education beginning at fifth grade. A state spokesperson says the curriculum has only generated limited complaints since then.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: analsex; arth; cultureofcorruption; culturewar; indoctrination; moralabsolutes; naughtyteacherslist; oralsex; publicschool; reeducationcenters; sexed; sexpositiveagenda; taxdollarsatwork; thejoyofsex; youpayforthis
Let's not just relegate this to "small town values". It used to be American values to protect children from this sort of onslaught.
1 posted on 06/12/2012 9:55:08 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

The Greeks made Socrates drink Hemlock for less than this!


2 posted on 06/12/2012 10:04:18 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sopater
Since 1988, state law has required some sort of sex education beginning at fifth grade.

How about this for 5th graders..... Keep your hands to yourself and your private parts private. (would work also for adults)

3 posted on 06/12/2012 10:13:29 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Sopater

I grew up in a large mid-western city and we did not get sex education outside of our homes until the 8th grade. Through school I knew of only two girs who got pregnant and STDs were unherd of.
But back then our mamas made us wear those Playtex rubber panty girldles too! They were more effective than a chastity belt or a 5th grade course in sex ed would have been!


4 posted on 06/12/2012 10:14:22 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: JenB; metmom

Everyone can be positively joyous about their PS. They can do happy dances about how things like this could never happen.

Personally, I’m not taking that chance. One shot, I have one shot with my kids innocence. All it takes is one gung ho educator and it’s all gone.


5 posted on 06/12/2012 10:15:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom
One shot, I have one shot with my kids innocence. All it takes is one gung ho educator and it’s all gone.

You are a parent who "gets it". God bless you.
6 posted on 06/12/2012 10:30:37 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

And you my FRiend!


7 posted on 06/12/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom
And you my FRiend!

And you are my FRiend, too!
8 posted on 06/12/2012 10:37:31 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

This used to be called corrupting a minor. A morals charge that would result in jail time.

Now it is considered proper guidance and edumacation to get kids sexually active before they graduate all in the name of advancing the sex positive agenda which sees orgasm to be a birthright that should be enjoyed (and exploited) at every age with no concept of morality in the number or type of partner(s) you choose. Free love is back, from the same socialist scum who pushed it generations ago.

They’ve come for your children and get to tell them their parents are WRONG and so is their church.


9 posted on 06/12/2012 10:38:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Sopater

:)


10 posted on 06/12/2012 10:45:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: wagglebee

Moral Absolutes PING


11 posted on 06/12/2012 10:46:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: ruesrose

Ditto!

I _hated_ those things!


12 posted on 06/12/2012 10:46:44 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Sopater

The mind boggles at how anyone could get up in front of a bunch of 10 year olds and tell them about anal sex.

Oral, they’ll learn in American History class, when they get to the Clinton Era...


13 posted on 06/12/2012 10:50:56 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Sopater

My measure of what is acceptable to be taught in schools is that if the same information was presented to a child somewhere else by someone who was not a teacher would that person be prosecuted for doing so?

My point being is that if you teach your kids at home about oral and anal sex the police will come throw you in jail. Why should the schools be allowed to do this?


14 posted on 06/12/2012 10:53:25 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: MeganC

The real question is “Why do all these so-called ‘conservatives’ have their children in government schools?”

Answer: They’re a bunch of middle-class welfare queens. “Free” government stuff is more important than the welfare of their children.


15 posted on 06/12/2012 10:59:55 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: a fool in paradise
Really, I loved this:

no demonstrations,”

Basically, we should all be grateful that there were no "demonstrations" of anal and oral sex. Does that mean, that at some places there are "demonstrations". Is this an option for the teacher?

16 posted on 06/12/2012 11:06:14 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz
Biology and "health class" have gone beyond discussion of basic anatomy, puberty, and hygiene and now discuss a variety of positions and unconventional sexual connections since two-men or two-women cannot pro-create or engage in sexual intercourse.

The curriculum HAS to become encompassing for them. Plus they need to learn proper cleaning of dildos (which are illegal to sell to minors even though Amazon does it).

This is not the job of a school. It is taken on by design as the job of RE-EDUCATION centers that seek to undermine other lessons learned.

They may not be able to get direct access to everyone's child, but they can turn the tide on the issue of same-sex marriage and whether or not teens SHOULD be engaging in pre-marital sex.

17 posted on 06/12/2012 11:14:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Sopater

This is a parody, right? Paging John Semmens ...

The subject is state-mandated. The topics are identified in advance. The principal, one assumes, had the parents’ “support” up until just recently. And yet the parents are shocked and upset that a question on-topic was asked and answered?

My favorite is the one who said the principal should have given a “politically correct” answer. What is a “politically correct” answer to “What is meant by oral or anal sex?”

Some suggestions:
“These are gross, disease-transmitting practices in which decent human beings do not engage.”
“I’m not going to tell you. Ask your parents.”
“Oral sex was preferred by a Democratic former president, while anal sex is the focus of ‘Gay Pride Month,’ promoted by our current Democratic president.”
“This educational program is not intended to provide you with factual information about how sexually transmitted diseases are sexually transmitted.”


18 posted on 06/12/2012 11:38:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Genetic testing of unborn babies: measuring the morality of our culture. (Wesley Smith)
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To: Sopater

“.....these parents won’t let their kids go back unless the curriculum is changed.”

The principal should be fired, period.


19 posted on 06/12/2012 11:43:40 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Sopater

Schools have no business, that is absolutely NO business, is sex education.

Period.

End of paragraph.


20 posted on 06/12/2012 11:59:49 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: bigbob

They may learn about both in history, the first when talking about Clinton, the second when the history books look back on the Obama Presidency and talk about what he did to the country.


21 posted on 06/12/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by MCOAvalanche
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To: RobinOfKingston

——Schools have no business, that is absolutely NO business, is sex education.——

If parents agree to send their children to a “place of education” that proscribes the simplest worship of God, Who is the beginning and end of all things, then they have no logical complaint. Anything goes.

We asked for a “God-free zone,” and God is allowing it.


22 posted on 06/12/2012 12:10:40 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: a fool in paradise

-—. Free love is back, from the same socialist scum who pushed it generations ago.——

Desensitization. That’s all it is. Break down the moral order. Replace the voluntary, free society with the leviathan State.


23 posted on 06/12/2012 12:17:52 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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While there is no harm in some basic education on the facts of life -(I had it in 5th grade. They had a girls only talk about the changes to expect growing up and a similar boys only talk for them but NOT sex ed)- at that age, IMO, they should still be encouraged to think that the other still has cooties.

For as long as possible.

24 posted on 06/12/2012 12:19:37 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Sopater

“I think the principal handled it appropriately at the time; she only gave factual information, no demonstrations,” said Onalaska Superintendent Scott Fenter.”

Well, thank God for that.

What a brainless putz.


25 posted on 06/12/2012 12:20:07 PM PDT by goldi
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To: metmom
IMO, they should still be encouraged to think that the other still has cooties.

And then, that the only way to prevent catching cooties is to get married... and marriage is for life.
26 posted on 06/12/2012 12:35:17 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater
"I think the principal handled it appropriately at the time; she only gave factual information, no demonstrations,” said Onalaska Superintendent Scott Fenter.

Seriously? Demonstrations were a "considered" option? As a School Psychologist I am completely appalled by this story.

27 posted on 06/12/2012 12:54:33 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: metmom
[...] at that age, IMO, they should still be encouraged to think that the other still has cooties.

For as long as possible.

You mean that was just a fib?

Now they tell me?!

28 posted on 06/12/2012 1:03:47 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: Sopater
"I think the principal handled it appropriately at the time; she only gave factual information, no demonstrations,” said Onalaska Superintendent Scott Fenter.

WTH?!?!?!"ONLY" factual information?!?!?! No demonstrations??????

Like somebody would even think that that was a possibility?????

So it's OK to mentally rape these kids as long as they didn't have to see it acted out in front of them????????

God help us.

29 posted on 06/12/2012 1:11:20 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: a fool in paradise
Now it is considered proper guidance and edumacation to get kids sexually active before they graduate all in the name of advancing the sex positive agenda which sees orgasm to be a birthright that should be enjoyed (and exploited) at every age with no concept of morality in the number or type of partner(s) you choose. Free love is back, from the same socialist scum who pushed it generations ago.

Yeah, and if you or I did it to a kid down the street, we'd be brought up on charges so fast our heads would spin.

30 posted on 06/12/2012 1:15:52 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: goldi; null and void; Tax-chick

That Scott Fenter is a jackass, let me tell you. snort! They didn’t demonstrate it indeed! good thing, that!


31 posted on 06/12/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Government health officials seem to have the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: Shimmer1

I’m sure the transmission of sexually-transmitted diseases is demonstrated at some schools in the state: in the bathrooms, on the bus, in a vacant classroom or closet ...

One has to wonder, though, how they would be to convey any useful information about preventing STDs without going into graphic detail about sex acts. The alternative is to leave students thinking that they might contract HIV or gonorrhea from a handshake or a water fountain.

Thinking this through, one might deduce that the “safety” aspect of this mandated curriculum is simply a cover for graphically discussing sexual practices with pre-teen children.


32 posted on 06/12/2012 2:35:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Genetic testing of unborn babies: measuring the morality of our culture. (Wesley Smith)
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To: metmom
WTH?!?!?!"ONLY" factual information?!?!?! No demonstrations??????

Like somebody would even think that that was a possibility?????

All in good time, all in good time...

33 posted on 06/12/2012 2:40:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1239 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Sopater

Here’s an insider’s secret that I learned about the ‘just answering the kiddos’ questions game. The pervs plant the questions so they can introduce the age inappropriate subjects to the children.

If these parents are serious about this offense, they have to fire the slut.


34 posted on 06/12/2012 3:00:59 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: null and void

Yeah. Brave New World, here we come.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 3:15:08 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Sopater
The government is out of control and crossing boundaries it has no business crossing. They need to step back and leave the job of parenting to the parents. I think the public education system is full of perverts, communist and idiots.
36 posted on 06/12/2012 5:51:52 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree tax chick... and ALL who are here...did you see where the parents could have opted out their children?
This was not just something that the principal decided to do on their own...it was mandated by the state(sex-ed) to start in the fifth grade...the class could have been opted out of by the parents of the children...and face it moms and dads...middle school kids can and do have sex... that’s why the sex-ed starts in the 5th grade so they can be at least somewhat prepared...just because something is discussed does not mean it is condoned.
just sayin


37 posted on 06/13/2012 11:17:17 AM PDT by bignevermo
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To: bignevermo
just because something is discussed does not mean it is condoned.

I think it's very unlikely that the principal discussed oral and anal (or any other) sex acts in terms of categorical moral condemnation. (e.g., my first "politically correct" statement on the topic.)

However, that was not my main point. My point was that the parents should have known what was going to be taught. If they don't think this is suitable information for 5th graders, they need to be addressing it at the state level. I suspect that, if these people were asked if the school should teach the students about STDs, they would have said, "Of course!" without ever thinking it through.

38 posted on 06/13/2012 11:57:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't be so scared ... it's just a baby!)
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