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Shellie Zimmerman arrested on suspicion of perjury (George Zimmerman's wife)
ITV ^ | June 12, 2012

Posted on 06/12/2012 1:37:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: kiryandil

I don’t listen to anyone’s explanations. I pay attention to facts only. Fact is that I believe and always have that George Zimmerman is innocent and should be set free. I wanted to believe when this was first reported, that Shellie was being railroaded and she probably is, but again I waited for the facts and I see that it is a fact that she knew about and had transferred a lot of money prior to the bond hearing. She stated at the bond hearing that they had no money and were trying to scrape things together between family members. To question this, does not make me lost or owned.


101 posted on 06/12/2012 7:32:36 PM PDT by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: Reese Hamm
From the link:

In bringing a motion to have Zimmerman's bond revoked lead prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed . . .

Bernie's statement here is a blatant lie. She never said that they didn't have a single penny. They already had the tapes of their prison conversation at this hearing and knew that they had some money.

Anyway just what in hell's name are they doing setting bailbond at $150,000 for a defendant who they were misled to believe did not have a single penny. How did they expect him to meet bail with him being penniless???

102 posted on 06/12/2012 7:47:29 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dragnet2

Reading your posts, I am convinced you have some kind of hidden agenda here.

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OK. Whatever that means. I’ll simply ask if you’ve read the probable cause affidavit that led to her arrest.

Here it is if you haven’t and are interested.

http://www.kmsstv.com/files/kmsstv/Shellie%20Zimmerman%20Arrest%206-12-12.pdf

8 cash transaction under the 10K reporting limit in the few days leading up the bond hearing, along with the other transactions and her statements to the court - if true as alleged - renders her testimony disingenuous at best.


103 posted on 06/13/2012 8:31:40 AM PDT by dmz
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To: sand88

Show us the exact quotes that substantiate what you have stated. If not, then you should retract what you have stated.

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Sorry, the best I have at the present moment is the probable cause affidavit.

http://www.kmsstv.com/files/kmsstv/Shellie%20Zimmerman%20Arrest%206-12-12.pdf

Since she transferred - according the affidavit - more than 100K in the days leading up to the bond hearing, I don’t think I have anything to retract. Do you read the affidavit differently?


104 posted on 06/13/2012 8:37:05 AM PDT by dmz
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids; dragnet2

I’m not going to try to defend dmz, but I do have to question the fact that the affidavit states that she transferred over $74,000.00 from George’s account to hers

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Why would you not defend me? We’re saying the same thing.

But I see dragnet2 has already declared you lost, because you are not dismissing the entire arrest affidavit out of hand.


105 posted on 06/13/2012 8:46:57 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dragnet2; silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

But I see dragnet2 has already declared you lost

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whoops, accusing you of something you didn’t do.


106 posted on 06/13/2012 8:52:10 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Had these 2 lovebirds just frikkin’ told the truth to the judge about the money, both could be enjoying a margarita tonight on the veranda.

BTW, how do ya kick back like that when your fighting for your life, from corrupt government courts with political agendas and people like prosecutors like Corey?

Ya think they might be concerned while enjoying margaritas on the veranda, about politically motivated prosecutors and black racist gangs putting death bounties on their heads?

Once again, reading your posts and the wording used, I am convinced you have some kind of hidden agenda here.

107 posted on 06/13/2012 9:03:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz
I’ll simply ask if you’ve read the probable cause affidavit that led to her arrest.

Bull sh*t, that is not what you "simply" commented about.

You've got Zim and his wife relaxing having a great time, sipping margaritas on the veranda, if only these two "love birds" as you say, had not lied to the courts, who you've implied or suggested are totally unbiased and fair in this case.

Gak!

108 posted on 06/13/2012 9:09:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Once again, reading your posts and the wording used, I am convinced you have some kind of hidden agenda here.

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I’m actually glad you raised this issue again by posting the exact same thing you posted last night. In doing so, I note that you chose not to respond in any fashion to the information contained in the arrest affidavit. Not a peep about the substantive portion of our discussion (you know, the facts), but instead choose to focus on what you think my motivations might be.

Let me put it to you this way ... this is an anonymous internet forum and the idea that there can exist meaningful hidden agendas on an anonymous internet forum is just absurd. Sorry, but there I said it.

What is being hidden? Who is it being hidden from? What can I expect to accomplish with a hidden agenda on an anonymous internet forum? One word answers for each of the 3 questions above. Nothing, nothing and nothing.

All my posts from the last 10 and a half years are archived and available for your reading pleasure. Have at it.

Or you could just read and respond to the substantive portion - which is right now the affidavit, and what Shellie knew and when. Any interest in that?


109 posted on 06/13/2012 9:17:36 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dragnet2

You’ve got Zim and his wife relaxing having a great time, sipping margaritas on the veranda,

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You completely missed my meaning on that one. I meant only that neither of them would be in jail, and they could be together.

sorry, when I’m with my wife in Florida, we enjoy adult beverages sitting outside - ok you got me - not on the veranda but in the lanai.

Will you ever reference the substantive portion - you know the facts?


110 posted on 06/13/2012 9:23:01 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Had these 2 lovebirds just frikkin’ told the truth to the judge about the money, both could be enjoying a margarita tonight on the veranda.

BTW, how do ya kick back like that when your fighting for your life, from corrupt government courts with political agendas and people like prosecutors like Corey??

Ya think they might be concerned while enjoying margaritas on the veranda, about politically motivated prosecutors and black racist gangs putting death bounties on their heads??

Once again, reading your posts and the wording used, I am convinced you have some kind of hidden agenda here.

I’ll simply ask if you’ve read the probable cause affidavit that led to her arrest.

Bull sh*t, that is not what you "simply" commented about.

You've got Zim and his wife relaxing having a great time, sipping margaritas on the veranda, if only these two "love birds" as you say, had not lied to the courts, who you've implied or suggested are totally unbiased and fair in this case.

I note that you chose not to respond in any fashion to the information contained in the arrest affidavit.

I noted you totally, repeatedly evaded my responses and questions to you.

111 posted on 06/13/2012 9:27:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz
I meant only that neither of them would be in jail, and they could be together.

Bull cheet

112 posted on 06/13/2012 9:28:51 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz
Will you ever reference the substantive portion - you know the facts?

Read the thread, I only commented on *your* comments and responded to the wording you used.

Lets cut to the chase, shall we?

Has this been a politically motivated government sham from the beginning. Yes or no?

Has Zim has been a target of corrupt politically motivated, biased, over zealous, grandstanding government prosecutors? Yes or no?

If ya answered yes, then it totally impeaches the government down in Florida, and everything that follows, is part of this corrupt ugly political sham.

Well?

113 posted on 06/13/2012 9:46:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I noted you totally, repeatedly evaded my responses and questions to you.

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I'll be happy to answer your questions, even though they are entirely unrelated to the substantive issue (the facts as outlined in the affidavit).

So onto your first question:

BTW, how do ya kick back like that when your fighting for your life, from corrupt government courts with political agendas and people like prosecutors like Corey??

You don't. Their life is a living hell. This portion of their living hell appears - according to the affidavit - to be self inflicted.

Your second question:

Ya think they might be concerned while enjoying margaritas on the veranda, about politically motivated prosecutors and black racist gangs putting death bounties on their heads??

Again, their life is a living hell. I wouldn't even wish it on you - that's a joke btw - frankly I might have availed myself of that passport and gotten the hell out of dodge. Screw perceptions.

I also found this question in one your posts:

These two love birds? Were lying?

I'm going to kick this one back to you. Read the affidavit and then you tell me.

114 posted on 06/13/2012 9:48:03 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Will you ever reference the substantive portion - you know the facts?

Read the thread, I only commented on *your* comments and responded to the wording you used.

Lets cut to the chase, shall we?

Has this been a politically motivated government sham from the beginning. Yes or no?

Has Zim has been a target of corrupt politically motivated, biased, over zealous, grandstanding government prosecutors? Yes or no?

If ya answered yes, then it totally impeaches the government down in Florida, and everything that follows, is part of this corrupt ugly political sham.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

115 posted on 06/13/2012 9:52:29 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz

Where’d ya go?

Yes or no?


116 posted on 06/13/2012 9:59:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz

Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit


117 posted on 06/13/2012 10:04:41 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Where’d ya go?

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Ummm, ate some lunch if that’s OK with you.


118 posted on 06/13/2012 10:32:22 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dragnet2

Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit

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Tools you are not terribly skilled at using.

Have you read the affidavit yet? Do you intend to? Will you respond after having done so?

See how that diversion and evasion thing works?

As far as your screaming “ANSWER THE QUESTIONS” goes, I don’t live in the same binary world as you do, where every question has a simple yes or no. Certainly elements of what you suggest by your questions exist, but they do not tell the whole story. And they certainly don’t exempt one from telling the truth to the judge.

You know, I believe I have now addressed each and every question you have posed. Does that make it your turn now?


119 posted on 06/13/2012 10:58:52 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
One last time.

Has this been a politically motivated government sham from the beginning. Yes or no?

Has Zim has been a target of corrupt politically motivated, biased, over zealous, grandstanding government prosecutors? Yes or no?

If ya answered yes, then it totally impeaches the government's credibility down in Florida, and everything that follows, is part of this corrupt ugly political sham.

This is the second or third time you've been asked and evaded these legitimate questions.

Why are you evading these questions?

120 posted on 06/13/2012 11:16:40 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dmz
Instead of answers, you again evaded the questions in #120.

I know why, and so do you.

And this is exactly the reason why I suspected you of having a biased/hidden agenda in this matter.

It turns out, I was exactly correct.

121 posted on 06/13/2012 11:23:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: skeeter

trumped up? You have to be kidding. She perjured herself. You are condoning perjury? Amazing. She should have been arrested. She did this. There is no great conspiracy.


122 posted on 06/13/2012 11:26:08 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: dmz

You betcha dmz. Perjury is perjury. Pure and simple.


123 posted on 06/13/2012 11:27:36 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: jtill
The whole point here is DID THEY KNOW.

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The transcript is floating around here and the answer is yes, they absolutely knew. The DA has records of them moving tens of thousands around (in sums less than $10k per move) in the days immediately prior to her testimony that they were indigent.

And, they have recirds that the money was moved back after GZ was released.

These people are bums, not heroes.

124 posted on 06/13/2012 11:30:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Bryanw92

You know they have George on record telling two lies. This does not bode well for him. If he wants to ask the judge to drop charges against him based on Stand Your Ground, it does not help his case that he has lied twice. The judge was furious with George’s wife for lying. To ask the judge to believe he was standing his ground, the judge has to take him at his word. What judge would do that after two lies on the record?


125 posted on 06/13/2012 11:30:16 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: dragnet2

Instead of answers, you again evaded the questions in #120.
I know why, and so do you.

And this is exactly the reason why I suspected you of having a biased/hidden agenda in this matter.

It turns out, I was exactly correct.

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Hilarious. You don’t care for my answers as they don’t fit your binary view of the world, so you claim they went unanswered.

You do realize that folks reading this thread can read, right? For comprehension as well. That’s not good for you. You’ve seemingly been abandoned by your supporters on this thread, who by now have read the affidavit (something you just cannot bring yourself to do apparently - so who can’t handle the truth here?).

OK, you have read my posts and have now determined my bias and hidden agenda (guffaw - a hidden agenda on an anonymous internet forum) - tell us, what is my bias and hidden agenda exactly?

Enjoy the rest of your day. I’m pretty much done with you on this topic, as you cannot even be bothered to read the affidavit at the base of this entire conversation.


126 posted on 06/13/2012 11:40:30 AM PDT by dmz
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To: South40
Zimmerman knew he had the money in his PayPal account. I don’t know how they intend to prove his wife knew.

From the probable cause affidavit:

At this point we don't know if the scratch in question came from the Paypal account or from family or is simply the result of common frugality. As to Shellie Z's legal predicament, I don't know which would be worse.

Conceivably, those multiple 999* amounts could also have federal significance.


127 posted on 06/13/2012 12:03:59 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DallasSun
You know they have George on record telling two lies.

Can you identify those two lies???

128 posted on 06/13/2012 12:36:24 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Yes. And I am sorry. I should have done so when I posted that. First, when he said he was indigent. Then in his testimony when he apologized to Trayvon’s parents. He said he was sorry, he had no idea how young Trayvon was. He thought he was around the same age as he is. But on the 911 tape, he told the dispatcher he was young, probably around 17. Again, I am sorry I did not post this originally.


129 posted on 06/13/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

The truth died shortly after Martin in this case. By the time Zimmerman spoke to a judge, it was obvious that he was going to be lynched by the media and the black just-us system. He’s trying to save his life and depending on a fair trial, impartial judges, and honest cops is going to end with Zimmerman being beat to death in jail.


130 posted on 06/13/2012 1:06:02 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DallasSun
He said he was sorry, he had no idea how young Trayvon was. He thought he was around the same age as he is. But on the 911 tape, he told the dispatcher he was young, probably around 17.

He said probably. You consider that a lie? Sounds like he was estimating and didn't know his exact age. How could he?

In fact, wasn't Martin wearing a hoodie?

What has all that to do with the actual incident?

131 posted on 06/13/2012 1:12:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: skeeter

He could not report those donations as ‘his’ because they would have demanded them for security, and he didn’t know if he could use them like that. He needed a good or better lawyer advising him at that time.


132 posted on 06/13/2012 1:22:18 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: DallasSun
trumped up? You have to be kidding. She perjured herself. You are condoning perjury? Amazing. She should have been arrested. She did this. There is no great conspiracy.

I guess you've forgotten what this case was originally about.

Heres a clue, sherlock - it wasn't about the Zimmerman's finances.

133 posted on 06/13/2012 1:29:32 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: dmz
Has this been a politically motivated government sham from the beginning.

Yes or no?

Has Zim has been a target of corrupt politically motivated, biased, over zealous, grandstanding government prosecutors?

Yes or no?

The reason you won't answer the simple questions above is due the fact it totally impeaches the government's credibility down in Florida, and everything that follows, is part of this corrupt ugly political sham.

I’m pretty much done with you on this topic

lol...

When ya get your teet caught in the ringer, it's best to back away.

134 posted on 06/13/2012 1:33:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You nailed it. Anyone who buys into the ‘perjury’ BS either is a) on board with the political aims of this persecution, b) have no problem with big government’s swatting a fly with a sledgehammer approach, or c) really enjoy getting wrapped around the axle for no particularly useful reason.


135 posted on 06/13/2012 1:40:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter; dmz; DallasSun
I guess you've forgotten what this case was originally about. Here's a clue, Sherlock - it wasn't about the Zimmerman's finances.

Bingo! We have a winner!

And this is exactly how it works when politically and racially motivated corrupt government are backed into a corner.

136 posted on 06/13/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: skeeter
You nailed it.

Of course, so did you.

This is all about diversion kicking up the dust of distraction.

No one is better at this than the corrupt running government.

137 posted on 06/13/2012 1:46:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DallasSun

You betcha dmz. Perjury is perjury. Pure and simple.

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I see the ankle biters who refuse to read the affidavit (and who would likely not believe it anyway) have now affixed themselves to your leg.

Tag, you’re it.


138 posted on 06/13/2012 1:50:17 PM PDT by dmz
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To: ichabod1

I just finished reading the Washington Post update re: Shellie Zimmerman. Are you aware that they have Zimmerman on tape telling Shellie to pay off all their bills? Obviously, he didn’t have a problem using the money for his own financial gain. Do you think people donated to the account for him to pay off his personal debts?


139 posted on 06/13/2012 1:55:21 PM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: skeeter

You nailed it. Anyone who buys into the ‘perjury’ BS either is a) on board with the political aims of this persecution, b) have no problem with big government’s swatting a fly with a sledgehammer approach, or c) really enjoy getting wrapped around the axle for no particularly useful reason.

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so your contention is that the entire affidavit is a lie, that shellie did not make 8 withdrawals of under 10K in the 4 days leading up to the bond hearing? And transfer 47K to her sister from her own account? Or transfer 85K back into GZ’s account shortly after the bond hearing?


140 posted on 06/13/2012 1:55:26 PM PDT by dmz
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To: DallasSun
First, when he said he was indigent.

But he is. He and his wife are/were on unemployment and are now dependent upon the charity of others.

Then in his testimony when he apologized to Trayvon’s parents. He said he was sorry, he had no idea how young Trayvon was. He thought he was around the same age as he is. But on the 911 tape, he told the dispatcher he was young, probably around 17.

So what??? How was he to accurately know without carding him??? It was dark. He was merely guessing at his age. He may have thought that he was 17 when he first reported him, but 27 when he was attacked by him.

Anyway it is immaterial how old an assailant is, 17 or 27. When he is beating you within an inch of your life, you defend yourself.

BTW GZ took a lie detector test that night and passed it. Regardless of what you think about whether he told the truth or not at the bond hearing, the lie detector test says that he told the truth in the statements that he gave to the SPD that night. And that, corroborated by the forensic evidence, is all that matters in this case.

141 posted on 06/13/2012 1:58:30 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dmz

The affidavit, the affidavit, the affidavit, the affidavit....

This is now all about their finances!!!

Lets check their back taxes too...Go over them with a government fine tooth comb! Who else to they owe?

Lets pull all their financial records going back 20 years!

Zim and his wife will now pay!! We got um!

Wow!


142 posted on 06/13/2012 1:59:19 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; dmz

Your argument is morally bankrupt. You are arguing that the ends justify the means. With this argument you are in essence saying that there is no right or wrong. Perjury is ok if one perceives himself to be a victim. I said it before and I will say it again, Zimmerman is no hero.


143 posted on 06/13/2012 2:01:05 PM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: BLOC77
Your argument is morally bankrupt.

Than perhaps you like to make a deposit regarding these two simple questions?

1. Has this been a politically motivated government sham from the beginning.

Yes or no?

Has Zim has been a target of corrupt politically motivated, biased, over zealous, grandstanding government prosecutors,and been smeared by the White House itself?

Yes or no?

If ya answer yes, it totally impeaches the government's credibility from the beginning, and everything that follows, is part of this corrupt ugly political sham.

144 posted on 06/13/2012 2:06:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BLOC77

Good luck, BLOC77.

I had to stop responding to one of the posters because she continued to ask the same question over and over again but my answers never satisfied her.


145 posted on 06/13/2012 2:14:59 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Like you miss, she won’t answer the question either.

lol...


146 posted on 06/13/2012 2:19:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Uncle Chip

But he is.

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Our respective definitions of indigent are a bit different.

They were moving around - according to the affidavit - over 100K in the days before the bond hearing. I’ve never understood the term indigent to refer to folks with that kind of scratch in their bank accounts.


147 posted on 06/13/2012 2:27:38 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Our respective definitions of indigent are a bit different.

They are dependent upon the charity of others at this time due to the prosecution's overcharging. That money that they were moving around was given to help them with legal costs and living expenses that are expected to reach $1,000,000. I'd say that if you need $1,000,000 to live and defend yourself, and you only have $150,000 to do so, and are without an income, and no job, and forced into hiding due to threats on your life, then you might consider yourself indigent. Take away the $150,000 charitable donations that the judge wanted to be used for bailbond, and then you are more than indigent.

Does that help???

148 posted on 06/13/2012 3:03:14 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

That was a near perfect response.

Of course when the government is backed into a corner, they do much better against those who have little to defend themselves with.


149 posted on 06/13/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Uncle Chip

Does that help???

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Absolutely. Remember, though, that for the 150K bond, GZ was released after paying 10% of that number. By your own statements, that left them with 135K in the bank. Not indigent. They may yet get there, but they’re not there yet (and no, that is not suggesting that I look forward to them being indigent - I don’t).


150 posted on 06/13/2012 3:40:41 PM PDT by dmz
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