Euro 2012: Anger as Russia fans march through Warsaw

BBC News ^ | 12 June 2012

[MinorityRepublican]

Police in the Polish capital Warsaw are on full alert as Russia fans marched through the city centre in a celebration of Russian independence day.

Poland and Russia were drawn together in the European Championships group stage.

[Cronos]

The conspiracy theory since 2010 is that the plane crash at Smolensk (on the way to Katyn) of former Prime Minister Kaczyńskiej was engineered by the Russians

Kaczyńskiej opposed being friendly to the Germans and Russians

The plane crash killed 93 Polish intelligencia -- to them it was like a second Katyń when Stalin's boys killed off thousands of Polish officers and intelligentsja

Do I believe it -- kinda. I initially taught that was too stupid of the Russians, but looking at Putin's foolish attempt to intimidate his neighbors to the west instead of worrying about the Moslems to the south and the chinese to the east.

[Cronos]

The conspiracy theory since 2010 is that the plane crash at Smolensk (on the way to Katyn) of former President Kaczyńskiej was engineered by the Russians

Kaczyńskiej opposed being friendly to the Germans and Russians

The plane crash killed 93 Polish intelligencia -- to them it was like a second Katyń when Stalin's boys killed off thousands of Polish officers and intelligentsja

Do I believe it -- kinda. I initially taught that was too stupid of the Russians, but looking at Putin's foolish attempt to intimidate his neighbors to the west instead of worrying about the Moslems to the south and the chinese to the east.

[Revolting cat!]

[Revolting cat!]

I’ll tell you how conspiracy theories start. Just like the game of Telephone, or this thread, as a matter of fact. Someone hears something, changes it a bit, and passes it along to another someone who makes things up.

And so, there was no Polish Prime Minister murdered, and, a minor detail, there were 96 on the board of the plane.

That the Russians caused the accident is doubtful.

[potlatch]

[The Polish Prime Minister was murdered by the Russians in December 2010?]

I made no claim of that, was just posting a link to Free Republic posts about the death of Polish President Lech Kaczynski and the others. It was big news at the time and I am Polish.

I missed your sarcasm in your first post #4 and was honestly just trying to show you the information.

[dfwgator]

This was the banner that was unfurled in the stadium during the Russian Anthem. The banner portrayed Dmitry Pozharsky, who led the Russian revolt against the Poles. At first I thought the banner was pretty awesome, until I researched the background and realized how provocative it was.

[katana]

Thanks for including me in your response, but personally I did not take your comments as saying the crash was definitely an assassination. But there is historical foundation to support one being suspicious. And even without that event there is certainly no great warmth between Poles and Russians. Then again, get a group five English yobs and five strapping Catholic Scots lads from Glasgow together in a room, add large amounts of alcohol, and see what happens.

[potlatch]

No problem katana, I just pinged you as a courtesy. We all thought the crash was very suspicious at the time. I remember following threads about the funeral afterwards.

[Revolting cat!]

If you’re Polish, then you’re probably aware of other wild conspiracy theories in that country, and the kind of people that subscribe to them. And this thread, as I said earlier, illustrates how conspiracy theories start and get spread around.

[potlatch]

[If you’re Polish, then you’re probably aware of other wild conspiracy theories in that country, and the kind of people that subscribe to them. And this thread, as I said earlier, illustrates how conspiracy theories start and get spread around.]

Not quite, lol, two of my grandparents came from Poland long ago, so I'm not familiar with the ‘goings ons’ there.
I just posted links to FR threads discussing the plane crash for anyone who didn't recall it.

Incorrect material is posted and spread around pretty often. It was done on ‘candidates’ threads a lot and you'll find it on the Zimmerman/Trayvon threads a lot too. People either get angry or ignore corrections.

[Cronos]

There was the Polish President killed in a plane crash.

I agree with you about it being a conspiracy theory, but going by the history of Poland where the Russians have been playing intrigues since the 18th century, it's a bit easier to understand why it's to be believed

Also note that the Russians were pretty slow to get to explanations, the investigation was haphazard etc -- breeding grounds for a conspiracy

That the Russians caused the accident is doubtful. -- improbable, yes, but going by Russian intrigues, not impossible. And that's the catch -- in Poland it's easy for Poles to believe the worst about the Russian government

[Revolting cat!]

All true, there were screwups before and after the crash during the Russian led investigation. Nevertheless, you should have heard some details of those conspiracy theories - the Russians created artificial fog, was one, another one had the Russkies killing the survivors with shots to the head. The conspiracy is especially popular among the super patriotic countryside segment, listenership of the Catholic radio and TV Radio Maria.

But the cause of the crash appear to have been rush to get there, incompetence on both sides, and bad luck.