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‘I WANT YOU TO KILL ALL INFIDELS':BOY DRAWS CONTROVERSIAL IMAGE OF JESUS—SHOULD SCHOOL TAKE IT DOWN?
theblaze.com ^ | 06/13/2012 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 06/12/2012 9:46:10 PM PDT by massmike

Children show their creative imaginations in some intriguing ways. The artwork and storytelling they engage in often illustrates the ideas that are bopping around inside of their heads. Take, for instance, a student-drawn picture at Hamilton Elementary School in Fresno, California. The image, which has become intensely controversial, portrays Jesus Christ, with a caption that reads, ”I want you to kill all infidels.”

Under this shocking line are two others: “meet me in Jerusalem” and “get a free ticket to heaven.” Obviously, the picture, which is hanging prominently in the school’s lobby along with others, is causing a stir. While some claim it‘s merely a creative work spawned by a child’s imagination, others see anti-Christian sentiment at play. A 7th-grade student, who has not been named in media, created the drawing as part of a history assignment.

Hamilton elementary has been quiet in terms of handing the criticism. A spokesperson for the Fresno Unified School District issued a statement to ABC30, telling the outlet the following about the picture’s creation:

“Students at Hamilton were assigned to create a help wanted poster for soldiers needed to fight in the crusades and write a poem about Joan of arc, the Black Death, or the Magna Carta and create a visual background for it. This was one of several posters displayed.”

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: blasphemy

1 posted on 06/12/2012 9:46:16 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike
SHOULD SCHOOL TAKE IT DOWN?

Absolutely.
2 posted on 06/12/2012 9:56:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Absolutely.???

“Students at Hamilton were assigned to create a help wanted poster for soldiers needed to fight in the crusades.."

IOW, the kid understood the assignment AND knows his history! That poster is a brilliant commentary on the attitudes of the time and how Christ & Christianity were misused.

3 posted on 06/12/2012 10:07:48 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: massmike

It’s interesting how much different Mohammed’s words sound when they are superimposed on an image of Jesus Christ.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 10:09:51 PM PDT by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
That poster is a brilliant commentary on the attitudes of the time and how Christ & Christianity were misused.

And your post is an idiotic denial of the fact that the assignment was created for political propaganda purposes, to try to equate Christianity of the Middle Ages with the murderous barbarism of the Muslims today all over the world. You also ignor the fact that no such "poster" reflecting current events about Muslims killing all infidels would ever be allowed on that schools walls for a second.

Stupid or paid shill - which are you?

5 posted on 06/12/2012 10:12:00 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: massmike
It seems to me as if the student's picture might be trying to illustrate an important point about hypocrisy.

For instance, replace Jesus with Mohammed in the picture, and have him say the same thing, and the image suddenly becomes non-controversial.

If the leader of the Christian religion were to embrace such a murderous message as portrayed in the cartoon, the reaction from the lamestream media would be one of unequivocal horror.

Thus the hypocrisy of the media is exposed, because no such negative reaction occurs when exactly the same message is propagated by those who follow the religion of Islam.

6 posted on 06/12/2012 10:14:14 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: An.American.Expatriate

the Crusades were a defensive war. I suggest you look into the real story of the Crusades and not accept the leftist distortion taught in schools.


7 posted on 06/12/2012 10:14:27 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: massmike

It works for me as an anti-islamic poster, showing how ridiculous it would be if Christ was the same as Mohammed.


8 posted on 06/12/2012 10:15:49 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Interesting take on history. The word crusades calls back to a point where the christians were engaged in active warfare against the muslims. I think the kid was just calling it as he see’s it.


9 posted on 06/12/2012 10:17:21 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: massmike

very well drawn. incredible concept. no it should not be taken down. this is what real art is, it evokes controversy, and it shows real talent. this is holding up a mirror to the enemy. the bill mahers, this is what they think.

bill maher is the asshole that bought the cross in the jar of urine. then the mets.


10 posted on 06/12/2012 10:28:12 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: factoryrat

“I think the kid was just calling it as he see’s it.”

Yes, but we should ask, who taught the kid that the Crusade was about killing all the infidels? I doubt he imagined that on his own. It’s a very common anti-Christian/atheist talking point, and since this drawing was created as part of a follow-up assignment to a history class, I suspect the teacher is the source of this idea in the kid’s head.

Smells to me like typical leftie hijinks of brainwashing kids with their viewpoint under cover of teaching them. Could well be the parents or someone else in the kids life teaching them this, but the teacher would be my first suspect.


11 posted on 06/12/2012 10:29:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Talisker

Oh geez....

An assignment to make a recruitment poster for the crusades = equating Christianity of the Middle Ages with the murderous barbarism of the Muslims today all over the world.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 10:29:41 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: jtal
the Crusades were a defensive war.

Oh, my bad - in defensive wars one does not need to recruit soldiers .....

13 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:15 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

“That poster is a brilliant commentary on the attitudes of the time and how Christ & Christianity were misused.”

The Crusades were the first wars on islamic terrorism. It’s a shame they weren’t pursued to the utter distruction of that satanic death cult.


14 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:39 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: massmike

15 posted on 06/12/2012 10:31:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: massmike

16 posted on 06/12/2012 10:35:41 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: dsc
The Crusades were the first wars on islamic terrorism. It’s a shame they weren’t pursued to the utter destruction of that satanic death cult.

That's absolutely correct in all respects. Thank you for a factual synopsis of what The Crusades were all about. The liberals have succeeded in rewriting history to conform to their evil agenda. And some in this thread have bought into those lies.

17 posted on 06/12/2012 10:36:52 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: sargon

I think that is what it’s about. It’s a sardonic parody.


18 posted on 06/12/2012 10:37:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: dsc
The Crusades were the first wars on islamic terrorism. It’s a shame they weren’t pursued to the utter distruction of that satanic death cult.

Agreed. Nations and peoples have a right to defend themselves and Islam is & was a constant major threat - then probably moreso than now, at least militarily. However, the intwinement of religion into the war, especially as a justification for it, is problematic.

The boy who drew the poster seems to have grasped the concepts involved and has illustrated them in a thought provoking manner.

19 posted on 06/12/2012 10:45:09 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: massmike

It’s as artistic as the rest of the crap you see today.


20 posted on 06/12/2012 10:56:54 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: An.American.Expatriate

“The boy who drew the poster seems to have grasped the concepts involved and has illustrated them in a thought provoking manner.”

The “justification” for the Crusades was not Christianity, but the bad behavior of the mooselimbs.

I don’t see the poster as thought provoking, but as puerile and perverse, especially in that the highest commandments of Christianity are “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind,” and “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

It is inconceivable that Jesus Christ would regard non-Christians as “infidels” or that he would order their killing.


21 posted on 06/12/2012 11:04:57 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: longfellow

“this is what real art is, it evokes controversy”

You should read what Barzun had to say about that in “From Dawn to Decadence: 1500 to the Present.”


22 posted on 06/12/2012 11:06:31 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Boogieman
Yes, but we should ask, who taught the kid that the Crusade was about killing all the infidels?

While the Church leaders may not have had this as their intended goal, it most certainly was not an uncommon idea among their soldiers.

Huge numbers of Jews were killed in Germany and elsewhere by Crusaders on their way to the East. The not illogical idea being, "Why travel all the way to Jerusalem when we can kill the enemies of God here?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews_in_the_First_Crusade

23 posted on 06/12/2012 11:12:32 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: massmike

One: There is a relatively large Muslim presence in and around Fresno; at least 3 masjids are located at Fresno.

Two: There was—may still be—a radical Muslim community in the foothills just outside Fresno: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/566591/posts

Three: This IS the Islamic JESUS (Issa), as portrayed in Islamic eschatology: he returns to earth and leads the fight to kill all the Jews & Christians who still fail to see the light and become Muslims; and leads the final assault on Jerusalem. Any Muslim killed in this automatically (like any Muslim killed in jihad) achieves Paradise.

This 7th grader has used the assignment to produce a poster promoting mainstream Islamic end-times belief, disguised as a dig against the Crusades and Christians.


24 posted on 06/12/2012 11:55:33 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Sherman Logan
Huge numbers of Jews were killed in Germany and elsewhere by Crusaders on their way to the East.

Oh, the irony. But that's what the whole story of Christ is about, isn't it? It never changes.

25 posted on 06/13/2012 12:23:39 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: ApplegateRanch
This 7th grader has used the assignment to produce a poster promoting mainstream Islamic end-times belief, disguised as a dig against the Crusades and Christians.

Certainly plausible on the face of it. ... What is M M I J at the bottom of the picture?

26 posted on 06/13/2012 12:33:11 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Pulled this from the story: “The image, which has become intensely controversial, portrays Jesus Christ, with a caption that reads, ”I want you to kill all infidels.” Under this shocking line are two others: “meet me in Jerusalem” and “get a free ticket to heaven.””


27 posted on 06/13/2012 2:04:19 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: Talisker

This brilliantly points out the fact that CHRIST is clearly NOT of the same Spirit as is Mohammed; and also the double standard that exists between Moslems and Christians.
(As long as it’s Muslims, they can do as they please. Christian expression, no.) Freedom of expression for Christians or about Christ is nil. It will be taken down.


28 posted on 06/13/2012 3:30:46 AM PDT by Twinkie (Isaiah 53)
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To: massmike; An.American.Expatriate; Talisker; Boogieman
An.American.Expatriate --> I'm sorry but Christianity was NOT misused at that time. What has been wrongly put to the child is the reason for the crusades and indeed the "marketing" for it

The Crusades happened 300 years AFTER the Moslems had punched first -- conquering the Christian lands of Egypt, Syria, Israel etc.

What triggered off the first crusade was the Caliph Muawiyah attacking and torturing Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land and destroying the Church of the Sepulchre (the church built over where Christ was crucified)

the "marketing" was not "Kill the infidels" but "defend the pilgrims and Christianity"

The Crusades were defensive -- and note that when they ended, Europe was hit twice by Mohammedans -- first when they conquered constantinople and then when they reached the gates of Vienna

Don't forget that there was also a crusades in Spain and that succeeded

29 posted on 06/13/2012 3:33:31 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

But their mission was not “kill the infidel”. The Knights Hospitallers were initially medics looking after pilgrims, but then had to fight to defend pilgrims from Moslems


30 posted on 06/13/2012 3:35:42 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Sherman Logan; dr_lew

Yet remember that the killing of infidels was not the objective. it was not to “kill God’s enemies” that they went, but to defend pilgrims, first and foremost.


31 posted on 06/13/2012 3:38:42 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

You will agree, I assume, that different Crusaders may have had different objectives.

For any human endeavor and particularly any war, motives are never pure or unmixed.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 3:59:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: massmike

a student-drawn picture at Hamilton Elementary School in Fresno, California.


That’s as far as I had to read. The word California was enough.


33 posted on 06/13/2012 4:45:32 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
IOW, the kid understood the assignment AND knows his history! That poster is a brilliant commentary on the attitudes of the time and how Christ & Christianity were misused.

You OBVIOUSLY know as much about the Crusades as you do Christ and Christianity, which is to say, Zip, Zero, Nada, or you wouldn't be making such stoooopid assertions.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

34 posted on 06/13/2012 4:55:29 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Sherman Logan
yes, different folks would have different motives, however most to the point, this kid and many others have been told that the Crusades were an act of aggression against peaceful Moslems and it was primarily to kill them

That was never the stated aim and not even in the list of aims. The aim of the Crusades -- especially the first -- was to free Christian lands. And Jerusalem etc. WERE still Christian, heavily.

If it was "kill the infidel", the Crusaders would have aimed for Mecca after conquering Jerusalem.

it's a pity they didn't

35 posted on 06/13/2012 5:05:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: massmike

Wait, a student can’t draw a gun or aim his finger at someone because that is dangerous and harmful, but he can post pictures calling for genocide of apostates.

Yep, liberals are completely mentally diseased. Liberals have never seen an anti-Christian picture they didn’t like.


36 posted on 06/13/2012 5:56:47 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Talisker; An.American.Expatriate
I saw nothing idiotic about his post. I think the picture accurately reflects both the assignment given and the motivations at the time of the Crusades.

Jerusalem was the goal of the Crusades, the Popes promised instant entrance to heaven for any crusader killed, & the popes, God's (Christ's) representatives on Earth, sanctioned the Crusades, giving indulgences to kill muslims. That's what the picture implies, & it is accurate, if, somewhat one-sided. But “I want you” posters are inherently one-sided. WWII recruitment posters were no less brutal or direct.

Regardless of which side you favor, those are the facts. Whether the Crusades were Right or Wrong doesn't change those facts.

You need to remove those ideological glasses sometimes. Maybe you will see more clearly & not be so ugly to reasonable people.

If you have a complaint, take it up with the teacher.

37 posted on 06/13/2012 6:02:20 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Cronos

It would be interesting to know to what extent the kid was using irony.

Jerusalem had been ruled by Muslims for over 450 years. It was primarily inhabited by Muslims at this point.

I agree that the Crusades were at base a long-delayed counterattack, but it is just silly to claim they were intended to rescue the Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Here’s an account of the capture of the city, as written by one of the Crusaders. This particular guy does seem to think killing infidels is a great thing.

The pillage of Jerusalem
Now that our men had possession of the walls and towers, wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one’s way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared with what happened in the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, you would not believe it. Suffice to say that, in the Temple and Porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgement of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies. The city was filled with corpses and blood.

From Raymond d’Aguilers, Historia francorum qui ceprint Jerusalem


38 posted on 06/13/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, I know all of that. Still, this is recently a major talking point of the “angry atheist” crowd, which is why I suspect the kid did not draw this conclusion on his own. Though, I wouldn’t be surprised if the lefties had managed to get the textbooks to put this spin on the coverage of the Crusades in the textbooks.


39 posted on 06/13/2012 6:52:26 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dsc

Don’t need to. I have been an artist for 30 years.


40 posted on 06/13/2012 7:11:55 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Mister Da; Talisker; An.American.Expatriate
giving indulgences to kill muslims.

I'm sorry, but that is rot. There were no indulgences to kill Muslims.

41 posted on 06/13/2012 7:55:49 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Sherman Logan
Jerusalem had been ruled by Muslims for over 450 years The first Crusade was in 1096, yes 450 years later. I stand by my statement that this was to safeguard Christian pilgrims. will get back to you with a stiffer rejoinder :) tomorrow
42 posted on 06/13/2012 7:59:12 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SoConPubbie

I think it is more irony than offensive.


43 posted on 06/13/2012 8:02:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Cronos

Not Rot! Rather, it is well known history.

A simple search of the Net will yield numerous books & articles that verify indulgences were granted by the popes during the Crusades. This is commonly known & acknowledged by both secular & religious researchers & authors.

The Oxford History of the Crusades can be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/63564336/The-Oxford-History-of-the-Crusades

It has numerous references to indulgences granted by the popes.

Please show me any documentation that refutes this fact.


44 posted on 06/13/2012 10:33:46 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: dr_lew

The MMIJ are the emboldened first letters of the line reading “Meet Me In Jerusalem”.


45 posted on 06/13/2012 11:11:05 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Mister Da

yes, indulgences that if you die, your sins are forgiven. That’s quite different from what you said of indulgences for killing. There were no indulgences giving for killing infidels — at least on the Christian side.


46 posted on 06/14/2012 1:41:51 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: longfellow

“I have been an artist for 30 years.”

And I have been a human being for 61 years. Does that mean I have nothing left to learn about the human condition?


47 posted on 06/14/2012 6:10:59 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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