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Texas dad "remorseful" after catching man molesting his daughter and beating him to death
Hot Air ^ | 6/12/12 | Allahpundit - Hot Air

Posted on 06/13/2012 4:44:32 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

The case is headed to a grand jury but this guy’s more likely to land on Barbara Walters’s couch than in prison. I’d be surprised if there’s a GJ in America that would indict him; if there is, lord knows it’s not in Texas. Here’s the relevant statute in the state’s penal code. Not a close call:

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...Morally, this will be treated as justifiable homicide whether or not it’s technically self-defense by proxy — which, to be clear, I think it is here — and any jury would strain mightily to find that it qualified under the definition for the latter. Exit quotation: “He got what he well deserved.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: childmolestation; texas
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I don't know if this would be such a clear cut case if it happened someplace in the North East.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 4:44:44 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
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To: Haiku Guy

I would choose not to kill anyone and would probably be remorseful if I did. Molest my daughter? You’re toast.


2 posted on 06/13/2012 4:46:44 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Haiku Guy
The first video clip ends with this interesting passage:

"The 47-year-old man's identity has not been released. Detectives spent all day looking for his relatives, but apparently they are in the country of Mexico. So until they can track them down, investigators will not be able to give us any more information.

I suppose they might be there on a family vacation...

3 posted on 06/13/2012 4:47:29 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: goseminoles

Agree!!!!!!

Sounds like self-defense as he was protecting/defending his daughter who was being attacked by a pedophile pervert. Obviously she was unable to defend herself and her father stepped in and did what was right in defending her.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 4:50:28 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: newfreep

Gotta love Texas.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 4:51:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Haiku Guy

Manslaughter at worse. Question would be did he intend to kill the guy.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 4:52:10 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Haiku Guy

Remorseful?

Perish the thought-—along with the molester.

He rid the world of a great evil, and he had every right to do so.

No bill.


7 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:00 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Haiku Guy

“.... such a clear cut case if it happened someplace in the North East”.

I agree with you, HG. Not 100% sure what the exact charge would be (murder 2 or manslaughter) but I do believe a LOT of states wouldn’t use common sense with this. I think they would definitely charge and let the jury decide (hurting the little girl even more). I am glad Texas has common sense.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:06 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Haiku Guy

Agreed. The northeast is a screwy place.


9 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:15 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Agreed. The northeast is a screwy place.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 4:54:50 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: newfreep

Take away the “emotion factor”, this is totally justifiable. A capital offense was occurring. This was a good shoot..


11 posted on 06/13/2012 4:56:49 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Haiku Guy

This guy deserves a trophy or a metal of some kind!


12 posted on 06/13/2012 4:59:32 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: newfreep

He’s charged with homicide. The grand jury will not indict him. So, I suppose it would become justifiable homicide?


13 posted on 06/13/2012 5:00:26 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Haiku Guy

Even if it had not been his own child, a good beating causing death to that pervert was correct.


14 posted on 06/13/2012 5:00:29 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Haiku Guy

“Aggravated” generally means the actor was using deadly force. If the perpetrator was using deadly force against this guy’s daughter, then absent any intervening circumstances, yes, it is probably justifiable homicide according to the statue.


15 posted on 06/13/2012 5:02:35 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: goseminoles
This was a good shoot.

No gun was involved. He beat the guy to death with his bare hands,

16 posted on 06/13/2012 5:02:44 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Haiku Guy
I live in the NE, and served on a grand jury.

There is no way any grand jury here would indict a guy for killing a man in the act of molesting his daughter.

There's some stupid laws around here, but that's just silly.

17 posted on 06/13/2012 5:05:04 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Haiku Guy

According to the news, he apparently was an illegal also!
I think I would have killed him MUCH slower!


18 posted on 06/13/2012 5:06:33 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: ShadowAce

He performed a Public Service.

The perp got what he had coming to him.


19 posted on 06/13/2012 5:07:39 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Haiku Guy

One less democrat.....one less perv for the left to coddle and protect.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 5:07:47 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: ShadowAce

I guess I should have read the story. :0)


21 posted on 06/13/2012 5:08:21 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: PapaNew

Not in Texas...(Git a rope) That guy was a scumbag!


22 posted on 06/13/2012 5:08:21 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: exit82

The dad is a hero no doubt. But he took a man’s life justified righteous
Anger. He wouldn’t be human if he didn’t feel guilt. You don’t just kill somebody wipe your hands off and walk way. This was a very traumatic event for the perp the child who had to watch and the father who now realizes his little girl who was violated but she saw a side of her father probably was frightening for her to see


23 posted on 06/13/2012 5:09:52 AM PDT by waxer1 ("The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: Haiku Guy

“Even if it had not been his own child, a good beating causing death to that pervert was correct.”

And I see no difference whether the pervert was shot dead, stabbed to death, or was beaten to death. The man saved the child. He did what he had to do. One doesn’t stand around in an emergency thinking what to do.


24 posted on 06/13/2012 5:15:41 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Haiku Guy

Remorseful?
What has he got to be remorseful about?
He saw a predatory animal in the act of attacking his 4 year old daughter, and he killed it.
This animal posed a clear and present danger and needed killing.


25 posted on 06/13/2012 5:15:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I hope he recovers from his remorse soon. He did the right thing! He protected his own child and God knows how many others.


26 posted on 06/13/2012 5:16:01 AM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I think the guy simply wished he didn;t have to kill anyone and is sorry it came to that. I certainly do not think he is sorry he saved his daughter by whatever means necessary. No telling what this animal would have done after molesting her...he easily could have killed her.

I know I would do the same if I came across it with any of my three daughters (all grown now) or any of my eight grandchildren. The person would die, but whatever means I had available.

Reminds me of a case in Indianapolis years ago when we lived in Cincinnati. A man brutally raped then beat a young girl and left her for dead. But she survived and identified her assailant. He was found guilty but a liberal/lenient judge gave him a slap on the wrist, like 5-10 years. As they walked the perp through the airport to fly him to the State Pen, a man stepped out from next to a drinking fountain and shot the rapist dead. Turned out it was the girl’s father. He was indicted and it went to trial for murder one. It was clearly premeditated. He was found innocent by the jury. Temporary insanity. No pen, no state mental hospital. He went home to his family and the rapist got the justice he deserved. Jury nullification if I had ever seen it.

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27 posted on 06/13/2012 5:17:33 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Haiku Guy

give this guy a medal

If i cousght someone molesting my daughter I would STILL be beating his dead corpse


28 posted on 06/13/2012 5:18:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Haiku Guy

“...Sorry.”

29 posted on 06/13/2012 5:18:46 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: PapaNew
Manslaughter at worse.

It's called the "He needed killin" defense in Texas.

30 posted on 06/13/2012 5:20:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I wouldn’t be remorseful in a situation like this.

The man chose to harm his daughter, that’s it.


31 posted on 06/13/2012 5:20:52 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: dead

I cannot speak for anybody else, but I know I wouldn’t vote to convict on a case like this.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 5:23:12 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: BuffaloJack
What has he got to be remorseful about?

Exactly. From what I can tell that word is coming from the press. They just can't see it any other way. The sheriff saying the man said he "didn't intend" to kill the molester is very different from remorse.

I watched the video clip at the link. They haven't released the name of the molester because they're still trying to track down his relatives......in Mexico.
33 posted on 06/13/2012 5:25:28 AM PDT by Shannon
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To: Haiku Guy

He needed killin’

Judge Roy Bean


34 posted on 06/13/2012 5:27:45 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Haiku Guy

Pin a medal on him and send him home.


35 posted on 06/13/2012 5:28:32 AM PDT by Snake65
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To: Haiku Guy

Can you imagine the howling rage of the Left if the father had used a (gasp) GUN?!?


36 posted on 06/13/2012 5:37:11 AM PDT by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Haiku Guy

Barn yard justice in Texas! Send us Sandusky!!!


37 posted on 06/13/2012 5:37:26 AM PDT by avacado
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To: goseminoles

He beat him repeatedly on the head. No shooting involved. Makes it even more justifiable to me. Nobody can say he shot in cold blood.


38 posted on 06/13/2012 5:37:56 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: exit82

Is he remorseful that he killed the guy or is he remorseful because he may have doubts about what the guy was doing? If the guy was really molesting his daughter, yes, I have no problem with it, but it sounds like the guy might be having some doubts about what was happening.


39 posted on 06/13/2012 5:39:05 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: TMA62
"One less democrat.....one less perv for the left to coddle and protect."

Even though he was illegal, and is now room temperature, I bet he'll STILL vote dim in November...

40 posted on 06/13/2012 5:42:09 AM PDT by libs_kma (When I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

northeast is weird because of all the Royalists who after the Revolutionary War had to go to Canada have crept back in


41 posted on 06/13/2012 5:49:56 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
The man saved the child. He did what he had to do.

Probably saved a few more children down the road too.
42 posted on 06/13/2012 5:53:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Haiku Guy
Any Grand Jury or Prosecutor that would rule to try this father should themselves be evaluated for mental illness and institutionalized for the remainder of their natural lives.

JMHO

43 posted on 06/13/2012 5:54:52 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney (aka - obomney)... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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To: Perdogg; waxer1

I don’t think there was a question as to what the perp was doing. The sheriff said that the father tried to get the man to STOP what he was doing, but the father was unable to get the perp to stop.

There was a clear and present danger to his daughter, that the father took steps to stop. In this case, it took killing a perp.

No one doubts that killing another human being is going to make you remorseful, if you are a decent human being.

But when you have no choice, you have to act. And this father was justified in what he did.

His daughter’s horror at what happened to her will be tempered by the fact that her father was her protector and savior, as any father should be.


44 posted on 06/13/2012 6:02:07 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Haiku Guy
For sure ...

It has been said that if you kill an intruder and he falls out the window you better drag him back inside before calling the police. With all the antigun laws in the NE there will be a new unspoken rule soon ...

... if you kill an intruder and he falls out the window you better drag him out to your car, throw him in the trunk, drive to Texas ... THEN call the police.

45 posted on 06/13/2012 6:05:53 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Haiku Guy

I think it very unlikely that they can find even one person in Texas who would vote for conviction on any charges.

He protected his little girl. Period. Case dismissed.


46 posted on 06/13/2012 6:06:35 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Jeff Head

Well you have the basic story down but your facts are completely wrong.

Baton Rouge La, in 1984, Jody Plauché, then an 11 year old boy, was taking karate lessons from one Jeffrey Doucet, a pedophile, who was 25 at the time. The boy was eventually kidnapped by Doucet and taken to a motel in California. The police launched a nationwide search to find the boy.

Doucet was found after making a collect call to his mother and taken into custody. Jody was returned to his family while Doucet was extradited to La to face a ton of charges.

Leon “Gary” Plauché, Jody’s father, learned the time and airlines that Doucet would be arriving at the Baton Rouge airport from a police officer on the Baton Rouge PD. He arrived early, pretended to be part of the crowd and when the Doucet was being escorted off the plane, Plauche’ put a bullet into his head. One less pedophile walked the earth.

Plauche’ was indicted by a Grand Jury on 1st degree murder charges and went to trial. The charges were eventually dropped down to manslaughter to which Plauche’ pled “no contest”. The jury found him guilty and sentenced him to 10 years suspended and 5 years probation.

Yes, Plauche’ was found “guilty” and he was sentenced. He did not get off scott free as many people thought he should have been. His plea on “no contest” probably had something to do with that although the jury could have simply pulled an OJ and through nullification let Plauche’s completely off.

His son Jody has written extensively about his childhood, the molestation and kidnapping and his father’s case. A quick google search on his name will bring you more information than I have posted on here as well as a book Jody Plauche’s wrote about the case. He has his own website (where I believe he’s some sort of radio personality now) at http://www.jodyplauche.com/


47 posted on 06/13/2012 6:10:44 AM PDT by Brytani (Liberals - destroying America since 1776)
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To: Haiku Guy

Many people here knew he would be identified as Mexican. I don’t know how you all knew, but you were obviously right.


48 posted on 06/13/2012 6:14:20 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I would say to cue laraza but surely even they would not enter this situation and claim a hate crime?

Surely not. On the other hand, I really wish they would since it would qualify as probably the biggest blunder they could possibly make.

Bring it.


49 posted on 06/13/2012 6:21:57 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Like they say, doing the right thing can be the worst feeling imaginable. I believe the kill was 100% just, and even if the courts agree, this man is probably in for a grueling emotional process. However long it takes, I hope he will come to accept that killing the perp really was the best thing he could have done in that moment, and that there is no personal flaw, no sin he could possibly have committed in his lifetime that would take away his right to defend his daughter by whatever means necessary.


50 posted on 06/13/2012 6:26:22 AM PDT by Méabh
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