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Residents protest proposed smoking ban in York Housing Authority homes
York (PA) Daily Record ^ | June 13, 2012 | EMILY OPILO

Posted on 06/13/2012 5:30:20 AM PDT by Daveinyork

York, PA - When Blaine Bosserman was searching for an apartment, he stayed with his mother until he could find a building that allowed smoking. And when he settled upon a high rise in the 400 block of East King Street owned by York's housing authority, Bosserman, 45, made sure there were no conditions in the lease that would prevent him from lighting up inside.

But a proposed ban on smoking in the York Housing Authority's 1,068 units countywide could soon force Bosserman to extinguish his cigarettes. Pending approval of the authority's board and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, officials plan to ban smoking in authority buildings and within 25 feet of entrances as of Oct.

"They've got to be realistic," Annie Coleman, a resident and smoker said. "You can't fight the government...For the type of rent that you pay, you're blessed." (Daily Record/Sunday News -- Paul Kuehnel)1. HUD, the federal department that funds the housing authority's offerings, has been strongly recommending smoke-free policies for public housing nationwide, said Richard D. Fox, the authority's executive director. The recommendation is based on research from the American Lung Association, he said.

But for a lifelong smoker like Bosserman, the ban seems unenforceable, he said. People won't stop smoking just because it's banned from the property, Bosserman said.

"I've been smoking since I was 15 years old," he said. "I'm going to seek legal action or move out...or I'll keep smoking in here until they force me out."

(Excerpt) Read more at ydr.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: publichousing; smokingban; yorkpa; yorkpennsylvania
If they can afford cigarettes, they can afford to pay their own rent. I'm not permitted to smoke in my own place of business that I own, and pay for with my own money, and they want to smoke at taxpayer expense.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 5:30:25 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

I’ve smoked since I was 12. I’ve never smoked indoors. Its nasty..


2 posted on 06/13/2012 5:49:35 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Daveinyork

When UN Agenda 21 goes into full effect and all private property has been zoned out of existence we will all live in government high-rise containment facilities where the big-government elite can dictate every aspect of our lives and everything we are commanded and forbidden to do.


3 posted on 06/13/2012 5:50:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: goseminoles

I’ve been a pipe and occasional cigar smoker for about 45 years. What I do on my own property is my own business. What people do with taxpayer money is also my business.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 5:55:29 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
Electronic cigarettes are also banned? What possible reason could there be for that? Are asthma inhalers also banned, because the primary ingredient is the same in both cases (propylene glycol)? Will it be illegal to cook tomato soup, for fear of extremely trace amounts of nicotine in the air (tomatoes being a nightshade plant containing nicotine)? That section alone is enough to conclude that this is not about public health, and only to do with power.
5 posted on 06/13/2012 5:55:29 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Daveinyork

This a point perhaps distantly related but a few years ago we were looking for a house. We walked into perhaps 100 before we decided to build the one we want. Of the houses we looked at, we walked into and right out of about 10 occupied by smokers. The smell lingers for a long time and there is no reason to put up with it. Likewise the used car my daughter bought. Several late model, nice cars were passed over once we got inside and could smell the smoke residue.

Smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em and I celebrate your freedom to do so. Just be aware that we are not alone in our preferences and there are economic consequences to smoking that go well beyond the cost of a pack.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 5:56:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: jjsheridan5

“That section alone is enough to conclude that this is not about public health, and only to do with power.”

Of course it is, and I’m conflicted about this, but I’m unsympathetic to the people affected.


7 posted on 06/13/2012 5:58:32 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: goseminoles
"I’ve smoked since I was 12. I’ve never smoked indoors. Its nasty..."

You live in Florida. This story is in PA. Stepping outside for a smoke in January is a much different experience for you than it is for these folks. Having said that, while I am a smoker, and have no use whatsoever for the nanny state, if you're going to live on the government dole, you have to accept the fact that you're going to be subject to every politically correct rule and regulation and flight of whimsy that the bureaucrats can devise.

8 posted on 06/13/2012 6:03:30 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Daveinyork
Of course it is, and I’m conflicted about this, but I’m unsympathetic to the people affected.

I'm not conflicted - the government is the owner of the buildings and it is up to the owners to set policy. Now, if the city was doing this to private landlords it would be an entirely different story.

The one thing I do wonder about though, is can they do this to everyone before leases are up for renewal? Or is it going to be phased in as leases expire, since there is nothing in the lease about it?

9 posted on 06/13/2012 6:10:25 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

“The one thing I do wonder about though, is can they do this to everyone before leases are up for renewal? Or is it going to be phased in as leases expire, since there is nothing in the lease about it? “

That’s the thing I’m conflicted about. However, they take the king’s shilling, and they have to do the king’s bidding, or find a job.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 6:12:24 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Joe 6-pack

The thing is, these people don’t own these homes. They are welfare recipients. They are lucky to have a roof over their heads.


11 posted on 06/13/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Daveinyork

I understand what you are saying. I am not familiar with PA landlord/tenants codes, but in Delaware even government landlords must abide by them and such a fundamental change prior to a lease renewal date would not be permitted, unless the change also permitted the tenant to break the lease without penalty.


12 posted on 06/13/2012 6:24:05 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

“But for a lifelong smoker like Bosserman, the ban seems unenforceable, he said. People won’t stop smoking just because it’s banned from the property, Bosserman said. “

Not sure if he heard about the drones?


13 posted on 06/13/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Daveinyork

Nicotine addiction is a disease resulting from a lifestyle choice

Cigarette smoking should be celebrated in New York


14 posted on 06/13/2012 6:53:16 AM PDT by daku
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To: jjsheridan5
Electronic cigarettes are also banned? What possible reason could there be for that?

The pure, evil desire to control the behavior of others. I wish I could say this was some ingenious liberal scheme to make welfare less attractive, but I know better. People who receive government benefits are just easier to boss around and the liberals are taking more and more advantage of that fact.

They can't wait till we're all on some form of government assistance.

15 posted on 06/13/2012 6:58:51 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Gabz
Do you see any limitation on the rules they can set up, given that it is their building? What about spicy foods? Air fresheners? Salt consumption? Fatty food? Is there any conceivable policy that would make you feel conflicted?

Therein lies the problem. These rules are not being made to better the lives of the people in those buildings. They are being made to punish a decidedly un-pc act. They have the right, certainly. But that doesn't make it the right thing to do. In a freely owned buildings, rules are created because the owners believe that those rules will, in the end, maximize profit. In a government owned building, rules are created because bureaucrats have been granted the right to impose whatever rules they want, for whatever reason they want. In today's climate, this generally translates to outlawing of actions not approved of by the self-proclaimed elite.

I am not conflicted about this either. Their job is to operate a building. Not to act as petty tyrants.
16 posted on 06/13/2012 6:59:00 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Daveinyork

I understand what you are saying. I am not familiar with PA landlord/tenants codes, but in Delaware even government landlords must abide by them and such a fundamental change prior to a lease renewal date would not be permitted, unless the change also permitted the tenant to break the lease without penalty.


17 posted on 06/13/2012 9:14:58 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: jjsheridan5

I have been opposed to smoking bans since the very beginning when they just wanted smoking and non smoking sections.

As to limits on what rules they can set? That cat was out of the bag long ago - once it became acceptable to ban smoking in private business establishments, the green light was given to ban anything anywhere, for any reason.

Many of us saw this coming but were repeatedly shouted down that it would never happen - including right here on FR where there are very many posters who actually support any and all abuses heaped upon smokers and business which would like to cater to them.

I don’t like it, but it is already too late, especially for government owned properties and the reason is that “yes, banning smoking will better the lives of the non smokers in the buildings because they won’t be exposed to second hand smoke seeping under doors and through vents.” Even though that is so much BS, the sheeple believe it. Smokers are an easily discriminated against minority and it is perfectly PC to do such.


18 posted on 06/13/2012 9:36:25 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: jjsheridan5

A new tobacco policy recently went into effect where I work, and I noticed the e-cigarette ban as well. The thing is, how can anybody ever know you were doing it when it’s odorless and colorless, and the vapor disappears within one second? Either they’re just ignorant, or they want to be able to fire you if they find one in your pocket. Like the volstead enforcers who would check the pants pockets of those they found suspicious to see if they were sporting a flask.


19 posted on 06/13/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Gabz

I recently went to a large hospital. Not only was the hospital non-smoking (they used to have a little hut outside for the unclean), but they also had signs saying that it constituted trespassing to go onto neighboring property to smoke, and would be enforced as such. I don’t know how they did this, since there was a presumably public sidewalk, but I have no doubt that smoking out there would result in a court date.

The cat is indeed out of the bag. Nowhere in their self-congratulatory signs was there any mention of the people harmed by this. They simply don’t matter.

I have little doubt that within 10 years most privately held apartment buildings will be similarly non-smoking.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5
Nowhere in their self-congratulatory signs was there any mention of the people harmed by this. They simply don’t matter.

You are exactly right, and that includes a goodly number of elderly who have frozen to death because they were forced outside of their nursing homes or assisted living facility. the general attitude is "See smoking kills" and becomes another of their phony statistics about smoking related deaths.

I have little doubt that within 10 years most privately held apartment buildings will be similarly non-smoking.

It started nearly a decade ago. In many places (I don't have the list at my finger tips) no smoking is permitted in the common areas of the buildings - not by choice of owner, but by government dictact. Same is true with hotels, and the government has dictating the percentage of rooms that may be smoking permitted, which in some cases is zero.

21 posted on 06/13/2012 10:15:42 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ichabod1

It might be ignorance. But the bigger component is apathy. They really just don’t care if anyone is inconvenienced in any way. They don’t care about the facts, the science, and they aren’t interested in reasoned compromise. To the person making the rules, an ecig user is a cigarette smoker, and therefore is fair game.

Nobody will ever get fired for buying IBM, as they used to say, and nobody will ever get fired for creating draconian regulations against smokers.

As a practical matter, all it takes is one avid anti-smoker to spot an ecig user, and that user is toast. That is really the problem for ecig users. They can hide it 99% of the time, but it is the 1% that costs them.

I recently went to a baseball game. I didn’t want to go to the smoking section to use my ecig, but felt compelled nonetheless. Even though the regulations didn’t mention ecigs, I had no doubt that I would be kicked out (and probably have my equipment stolen) if the wrong person saw me. Who knows, I may have even been arrested. All for an action that couldn’t conceivably have caused any harm or inconvenience to anyone else.


22 posted on 06/13/2012 10:16:08 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Daveinyork

What a stupid rule. They won’t obey and you can’t kick them out once they are in.


23 posted on 06/13/2012 10:20:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Daveinyork

You take the government dime, you play by government rules. It applies whether you are on welfare, in the military, or in prison.

If you are a free man, you do not take money from the government. But your job then becomes a continual effort to stay free, by telling the government to leave you alone, voting in a government that won’t oppress you, and rebelling against a government that has become a tyranny.


24 posted on 06/13/2012 11:05:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Daveinyork; Drango

This is the one and only instance that I support a smoking ban. If you’re in public housing and they ban smoking, the solution is obvious. Move out and pay for your own housing.


25 posted on 06/13/2012 2:02:16 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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