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Seeds of Anger Sown in a Greek Soup Kitchen
CNBC via Yahoo Finance ^ | 6/13/12 | Catherine Boyle

Posted on 06/13/2012 6:47:50 AM PDT by Kartographer

The line of people desperate for lunch is an image more from the developing world than the country where Western civilization was founded more than two millennia ago. Yet the 1,200 who waited for bread, rice and vegetable soup at a kitchen visited by CNBC this week are just a fraction of the many hungry people in Athens and the surrounding area, as the noose of austerity tightens around the Greek population. The elderly and sick are fed first. Men get their food next, and there are plenty of scuffles in the line as women and children wait patiently for their turn.

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1 posted on 06/13/2012 6:47:57 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 06/13/2012 6:49:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

why on earth are men fed before women and children


3 posted on 06/13/2012 6:51:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kartographer

What a world we live in when the corner three card Monte dealer is more honest than most of the ‘Too Big to Fail’ banks and investment houses. And face it the Monte deal who ‘scams’ a few hundred is a thousand times more likely to go to jail that the ‘banksters’ that are stealing millions.

The game is so rigged now that the fraudsters don’t even know how its going to play out. We are head for some bad times, which is one of the reasons I’ve been sounding the alarm. Its time that you either prepare to stand on your own beholden to no one or accept that you will be a ‘serf’ dependent on others to provide your basic needs.

As for me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Some seem to think that prepping is foolish, so I ask you what’s easier telling your children and loved ones why you prepared or explaining to them why you didn’t?

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

But then someone has to stand on the bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a bottle of water, an MRE and a warm blanket so as to provide the Network Anchors their background ‘Money Shot’. Maybe if they are lucky ‘Moochele’ will drop by and give them some healthy fresh veggies from her garden. Now wouldn’t you just give you a thrill up you leg if that happened?

I am not saying that things will turn Mad Max/Book of Eli, (With the possible exception of a brief time in a few of the larger big blue cities) but things could easily breakdown for 30 to 60 days during which basic supplies, goods and services stop, banking stops (No checks No Credit Cards, No Debit Cards so on...) now how many people do you think are ready for such?

And between those not ready and those who have always had the ‘gubberment’ hand them everything what do you think the reaction will be?

Their reaction I think can be summed up in one of my favorite quotes:

Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes. ‘Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


4 posted on 06/13/2012 6:54:44 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; SatinDoll

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5 posted on 06/13/2012 6:56:27 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: yldstrk

So all these folks are waiting to be fed, instead of out working and producing something. Aint socialism grand!


6 posted on 06/13/2012 6:59:33 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yldstrk
why on earth are men fed before women and children

Equal rights?

No, probably they are the ones working and need the calories to continue working in a manual labor job. If they falter, the whole family falters. That would be if it were a practical approach.

Or it could be a cultural thing, the inverse of a western "women and children first" meme.

7 posted on 06/13/2012 7:03:06 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (I can see November from Wisconsin)
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To: Kartographer

If you read the article fully, you’ll see that it’s Greeks feeding their incompetent immigrant population. I’m not saying things are not bad but the article is pretty clear that the Greeks aren’t on the soup lines.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 7:05:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kartographer

Nope...won’t happen here.

Soup kitchens serving the homeless have been banned in the US city of Las Vegas

Cities around America have recently been cooking up new ordinances that make it illegal to feed the homeless. St. Petersburg, Florida and Orlando, Florida are the two cities closest to Tampa to have come up with these completely useless and unusually cruel laws. http://www.examiner.com/article/no-soup-for-you-laws-ban-feeding-the-homeless

Plea for new charity soup kitchen after Birmingham city centre ban

Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2011/04/16/plea-for-new-charity-soup-kitchen-after-birmingham-city-centre-ban-97319-28530231/#ixzz1xgMABbd5

New York City bans food donations
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/new-york-city-bans-food-donations/


9 posted on 06/13/2012 7:09:14 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: yldstrk

It doesn’t say that women and children don’t get fed at all. They do. They just get fed on a different schedule. Men are fed separately to keep them from agitating violence in the line. Putting angry men in the same line with women and children would just upset them more. These are largely african and arab immigrants.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 7:13:45 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: miss marmelstein
Well, actually the article says this:

Around 70 percent of the people served by the kitchen [the one visited by CNBC] are immigrants, according to Mary Pini, who runs the kitchen. At other kitchens in the area, 100 percent of those lining up are Greeks who have fallen on hard times.

11 posted on 06/13/2012 7:14:22 AM PDT by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kirkwood

Oh I see. Yep, in that culture women and kids are the dispensable ones, to be used for human shields.


12 posted on 06/13/2012 7:24:28 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: dorothy

Oops! I guess I didn’t read the entire article! Or didn’t want to believe what I read. Sigh...


13 posted on 06/13/2012 7:40:50 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: EBH

You have to destroy private charity to push everyone into the government system.

Our beloved-on-Free-Republic mayor, Michael Bloomberg, has made it completely impossible to feed poor people in NYC.


14 posted on 06/13/2012 7:46:12 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kartographer
Yet the 1,200 who waited for bread, rice and vegetable soup at a kitchen visited by CNBC this week are just a fraction of the many hungry people in Athens and the surrounding area, as the noose of austerity tightens around the Greek population.

Here is the propaganda. These are victims of austerity. Out of control borrowing and spending, leading to governmental bankruptcy is not the issue, it's the eeeevil austerity measures.

15 posted on 06/13/2012 7:52:59 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: pepsi_junkie

True, but then point to a time when the poor, children, the hungry and homeless werenot used as ‘pawns’ by someone.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kirkwood
"These are largely african and arab immigrants."

Many of those in the line are recent immigrants from countries such as Albania, Bulgaria and Turkey who have found themselves unable to cope when the better future they hoped for vanished."\

None fo the countries mentioned are Arab or African.

17 posted on 06/13/2012 7:59:38 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Kartographer

I just watched a documentary about the 1930’s that was a collection of film clips produced by the gubmint. What stuck in my mind the most was the soup lines and interviews of the “eaters”. They were obvously men that had been on the street for some time, not unlike our permanent “homeless” of today. It was an obvious propaganda piece. My parents went through the depression and hardly noticed it.


18 posted on 06/13/2012 8:01:31 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: miss marmelstein
"the article is pretty clear that the Greeks aren’t on the soup lines."

I guess you missed this part...

At other kitchens in the area, 100 percent of those lining up are Greeks who have fallen on hard times.

19 posted on 06/13/2012 8:02:53 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: vanilla swirl

Lucky parents. My dad, mother and both sets of grandparents didn’t eat in any soap kitchens, but they sure noticed the depression.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 8:05:33 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Hugin

Yes! I’ve already been corrected on this.


21 posted on 06/13/2012 8:08:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kartographer
Well, the ain't gonna get help from this guy. (Always some wheat among the chaff at this website.)

"Now, Schäuble says, the Greek people can vote how they like, the electoral result and the composition of a new government will have no effect on policy in Athens."

Reminds me of the old Lufthansa joke where the pretty stewardess steps into the coach section, flashes a lovely smile and says, "You VILL enchoy your flight."

22 posted on 06/13/2012 8:12:21 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: vanilla swirl

What an odd comment. Your parents went through the Depression without noticing it. I doubt either of your parents were this insensitive.

My mother survived the Depression very well but her memories were vividly horrible of what occured. Her mother’s memories were even worse. My father went from Harlem Heights to a Brooklyn tenement in the 1930s. He never recovered from this and we would find him hoarding pennies and dimes when he was quite wealthy. And these were city people - not country people who got it much worse.

Sheesh!


23 posted on 06/13/2012 8:13:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: vanilla swirl

What an odd comment. Your parents went through the Depression without noticing it. I doubt either of your parents were this insensitive.

My mother survived the Depression very well but her memories were vividly horrible of what occured. Her mother’s memories were even worse. My father went from Harlem Heights to a Brooklyn tenement in the 1930s. He never recovered from this and we would find him hoarding pennies and dimes when he was quite wealthy. And these were city people - not country people who got it much worse.

Sheesh!


24 posted on 06/13/2012 8:16:14 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kartographer

My favorite applicable quote:

“You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.”
— Ayn Rand

A practical demonstration of the truth of that proposition is just around the corner.


25 posted on 06/13/2012 8:20:44 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

” Out of control borrowing and spending, leading to governmental bankruptcy is not the issue, it’s the eeeevil austerity measures “

‘We bribed you with cake, and cake, and more cake — so that now there’s no money left to give you bread..’

Austerity is just a big word for Broke, in this context....


26 posted on 06/13/2012 8:26:04 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Kartographer

While soup kitchen work for a short time, a better solution is to set up labor intensive co-op farms that can produce an abundance of food. They are set up as minimum wage jobs, with all wages put into the bank as savings, with (barracks) room and board in exchange for labor. Adult men on one farm, and adult women on a different farm.

Since they can’t spend their money for a fixed time, it makes the bank more stable. The people are neither homeless nor unemployed. And they are producing inexpensive food desperately needed by the rest of their country.

Once the country’s food needs are met, then new farms work on producing specialty crops of high value for sale as export to the EU.

Then a modified program leaves agriculture entirely, to make labor intensive products of other kinds, partially finished products that can then be sold to existing businesses to be finished prior to commercial sale.

Normally such labor is done in developing countries, but it needs to return to Greece to provide production infrastructure. That is, raw materials to unfinished materials. This implies some degree of trade protectionism, which is necessary in this case.


27 posted on 06/13/2012 8:28:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kartographer
As for me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine.

Boy are you a throwback! What an rare concept in 2012 USA. God luv-ya brother! I appreciate all your prepper posts. Thanks Kart-man.

28 posted on 06/13/2012 8:30:49 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Noumenon

Did you get my Freepmail the other day?


29 posted on 06/13/2012 8:31:30 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: vanilla swirl
My parents went through the depression and hardly noticed it. Ditto, both parents had plenty of food because of gardens and farms, cash was short. Now my grandparents all said, reconstruction was worse.
30 posted on 06/13/2012 8:35:51 AM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: Lurker

I did - been on the road of late, so my correspondence isn’t the best. Great advice, my friend, and we’re acting on it. Large animal vets are also well-supplied with “crossover” items. Come the apocalypse, we’ll all have sturdy hooves and shiny coats...

Wiiiiiillllburrrr!


31 posted on 06/13/2012 8:38:53 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: Kartographer

Preview of the Deep Blue Dem Cesspool cities like Detroit in 2014.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 8:39:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: razorback-bert
My father worked as a cop in the city of Detroit...Very few people know that citys made their own money. It was called Script. He was paid in script and stores took the script and went to city hall (or where ever it was) and gave money to the business man in return for the script...Not all stores took script, but most did...we always had food on the table, so did most of the neighbors. Script paid for food not beer, cigarettes etc. In other words, it paid to feed you....many farmers raised their own food and were not as hard hit as some others...my mother canned all summer for feeding us in the winter....

I am sure there was lots of propaganda from the government, my in-laws did fine also....the lazy never do well. But you did help your neighbor if needed...Hard times makes hard people and we needed hard people for the war that came and ended the depression...

33 posted on 06/13/2012 8:50:22 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Kartographer; All

“She believes it’s important to feed immigrants in case they become desperate enough to turn to crime. “If the Church doesn’t feed the immigrants...then nobody will and the criminality will reach its zenith,” she told CNBC.”

This would be true for the Greeks in line to eat at other soup kitchens. No food equals crime.

I wasn’t aware that some cities in the US don’t feed the poor now. When the collapse comes here, millions will need food. All should store food now if you haven’t done it already.


34 posted on 06/13/2012 8:50:56 AM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: EBH
She believes it's important to feed immigrants in case they become desperate enough to turn to crime

Can't you just see this being done here. Feed all the illegals first so they don't rape and murder us all. All the while ignoring the fact they need to be shipped back from whence they came.

35 posted on 06/13/2012 8:55:25 AM PDT by bgill
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To: goat granny

During the depression, my father had a job in the east Texas oil field that was booming. They also had a garden and canned food for the winter. He raised two pigs every year and slaughtered them in the fall and had a meat house for that meat during the winter. Pork sausage was also made from that meat.

They grew up without power and knew how to live well by doing it themselves.

When I began prepping in 1998, I assumed there would be no power, and I would have to live like they did growing up. That was a good example for me to follow.


36 posted on 06/13/2012 9:02:49 AM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: razorback-bert

And my great grandparents thought Reconstruction was a breeze!


37 posted on 06/13/2012 9:08:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Marcella
The generation of your parents and mine had the intelligence to live right....We lost a lot of information with the passing of that generation...I think80% of what we have today is not a necessity...starting with TV....Pot belly stoves keep the house warm on the farm and the bedrooms were quite cool but had great hand made comforters. My grandmother had no indoor plumbing, but each bed had a chamber pot. It was the kids job in the morning to empty them...God forbid a kid would have to do that today...LOL

I think everyone of us could look around the house and find oddles of stuff we don't need, but we want them. There was no AC when I was a kid, you kept the drapes closed in the daytime and opened at night to let the cool breeze blow in...I didn't even know what air conditioning was, or TV or computers and all the electronics. Push lawmowers was great excercise. Didn't need 15 pairs of shoes, a shoemaker on the corner could put new soles on your shoes and they were as good as new....

I am not saying I want to go back to those days, but we better be prepared to let loose of lots of expensive toys. And do it without complaining....

People our age had good examples of what was really necessary to live a good life....my parents would be reading books every night...they may not have graduated from school but were a hell of a lot smarter than many today....

38 posted on 06/13/2012 9:26:23 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

how long would NYC last if they had to go through a Great depression? Weeks? days?

look at the movie atlas shrugged.

There was a man holding a sign, “MBA, CEO, will take ANY job”

How about the stock brokers selling apples in the 20s?

How about the recent hong kong car dealer selling a 200k car for 25k because he need cash immediatly?


39 posted on 06/13/2012 9:37:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

When I was a kid, Detroit was the 4th largest city in the country. People were not use to the nanny state that fed and clothed them. People took care of themselfs and as far as men holding up signs like **will work for food*, you can find a few of them today. We had no homeless, we had lazy bums that panhandled. They became a victim class sometime in the 70’s and homeless sounds so much better than being a bum.....Every city had its own *skid row* where the bums hung out looking for a hand out....now the government gives them money and they get pissed if they don’t get their fair share......as the bible says......He who will not work, does not eat.......much wisdom in that book...


40 posted on 06/13/2012 9:50:51 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Holy Cow! Freepers now think that the Depression was simply smoke and mirrors!

Those marathon dances were staged!

That dustbowl was really Nascar races kicking up some dirt!

War hero Audie Murphy didn’t grow up in an abandoned railroad car eating only jelly sandwiches - he was really just a lazy bastard!

John Ford and John Steinbeck made up all that stuff about hungry Okies in California!

So did commie Harper Lee when she wrote “To Kill a Mockingbird”!

“Apple Annie” is just a figure of my fevered imagination! And those guys selling pencils in the street were lazy bastards worse than Audie Murphy!

I want to laugh but I feel like crying.


41 posted on 06/13/2012 9:56:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: vanilla swirl

Most of our homeless population is insane or strung out. Back in the old days they would’ve been placed in an asylum. Your parents must have been lucky or quite successful. Some people will always do well no matter where they land.
My husband’s grandmother never got over the Depression. Her storage room looked like a grocery store. No matter how good things were she was convinced that she could go back to being hungry in a flash.


42 posted on 06/13/2012 10:10:44 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: miss marmelstein

Not everyone thinks that the Depression didn’t happen. It was a long time ago, memories fade, and public schools don’t seem to be up to the task of teaching american history competently these days.


43 posted on 06/13/2012 10:11:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I have left-wing friends (admittedly, not very bright) who think the moon walk was faked. But I never heard of rightwingers who doubted the Depression. This is a new one on me. (Of course, I know most freepers are incredibly smart and savvy. I was just shocked at some of the comments on this thread.)


44 posted on 06/13/2012 10:14:47 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
What some of us are saying that the depression was not horrible for everyone. Times were tough, but people didn't go around crying boo hoo....The dustbowl was real and lasted 10 years, yes times were tough and no one is saying it wasn't just giving a view of it that governement propoganda didn't talk about.....Some say Roosevelt made the depression last longer than it should have by the policys he tried to bring up.....can we say Obama has also made this time toughter than it could be by his stupid policys and spending...Roosevelt didn't like the Supreme Court knocking down lots of his programs so he tried to made law to make the supreme court would have 18 justices and he would be able to get his government programs through by packing the court.....

The war is what brought us out of the depression, not the government, but Roosevelt started us on the nanny state we have today, exaperated by Johnsons so called War on Poverty.....we lost that war, trillions of dollars and we still have poverty...

His admin. was also full of communists...surprised that the depression lasted as long as it did...

Oh yea, we can thank him for deduction of Income tax before we get our checks...he and his pinko friends counldn't wait for the citizens to send in their taxes...now no one really knows that the taxes they pay take about 5 months of all their income....so we are slaves for those months as all the money we make goes to the government one type or another....tax free days usually happens somewhere in May...

45 posted on 06/13/2012 10:17:37 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: miss marmelstein

I hear you. I’ve noticed that some of our younger posters simply do not know much about the lives of their parents and grandparents. Life was so different then. My mother always cooked with bacon grease that she saved in a can near the stove. People in those days saved string! They made quilts out of old clothing. Imagine today’s children trying to understand life as it was then. They just can’t, because even today’s poor have luxuries.


46 posted on 06/13/2012 10:22:48 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: goat granny

I notice you are changing the argument. You wrote nothing about Roosevelt’s policies in your original post. It was all about how smart and tough your family was and blew through the Great Depression like a soft South Seas breeze - while the rest of the poor suckers whined and whinged and went boo-hoo. And that is a complete misreading of history.


47 posted on 06/13/2012 10:37:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: trisham

I remember bacon grease and saved string from my own youth (I’m a Baby Boomer). I thought my parents were kooks!

Just think of the generations that suffered through WWI, The Great Depression and then WWII! I don’t think I will be as courageous as those fine people...


48 posted on 06/13/2012 10:41:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Just think of the generations that suffered through WWI, The Great Depression and then WWII! I don’t think I will be as courageous as those fine people...

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Agreed. I am so proud of my parents for having served in WWII. So many brave men and women. Imagine living through all of that, or even a part of it. It had to be so frightening to them, but they did what they had to do, and without complaint.

49 posted on 06/13/2012 10:50:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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My father never spoke about the war. He fought the Japanese. He was a mathematician in the artillery. (I got that out of him after a couple of stiff whiskeys at the end of his life). My mother's family was in the navy. My uncle had to be invalided out due to a breakdown at sea. I guess he went “boo-hoo,” lol! He never spoke about that, either. My grandparents went through the Great Depression raising 4 kids and my granddad at 15 volunteered for WWI. I have a photo of him sitting on a War Horse. They never complained either.

God bless them all.

50 posted on 06/13/2012 11:01:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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