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A Humanitarian Disaster Threatens To Unfold In Greece
Forbes ^ | June 11, 2012 | Nicos Devletoglou

Posted on 06/13/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by C19fan

Europe owes a lot to Greece. Not least for the inspiration that it has drawn pursuing human excellence throughout history to emerge as probably the most civilized part of the world, but perhaps still more for actually remaining free to this day through its heroic stand against Germany’s unprovoked aggression during the Second World War.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: austerity; eucrisis; euro; greece; greececrisis
Sucks when you run out of other peoples' money.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 6:53:14 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Well, as somebody who read the book “Eleni,” I have a somewhat less favorable opinion about the Greeks during WWII.


2 posted on 06/13/2012 6:55:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: C19fan

And who will come to our aid when the Obamadork and his Clown Show of Felon/Cretins run out of our money?


3 posted on 06/13/2012 6:58:19 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: C19fan

Is there ever “provoked” aggression?


4 posted on 06/13/2012 6:58:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: C19fan

Greek populace.....meet the piper!!!


5 posted on 06/13/2012 7:00:06 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Da Coyote

—And who will come to our aid when the Obamadork and his Clown Show of Felon/Cretins run out of our money?—

In my case, we are preppers. I think a lot of people are joining the ranks daily.

Nobody will come to our aid. It’s up to us. Kinda reminds me of the good old American spirit. ;-)


6 posted on 06/13/2012 7:00:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: BenLurkin

Zimmerman comes to mind.


7 posted on 06/13/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: miss marmelstein

In all my days I never thought I would see anyone mention that book on here. As soon as I saw the title of the post I thought of “Eleni” and was saying, “Yeah, maybe they weren’t invaded, but they sure threw their own people under the bus.” I can remember when “Eleni” was required reading in many conservative circles.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: C19fan

—Significantly more damaging, however, is the fact that the number of Greek immigrants has nearly doubled, including the “young blood” of Greece. —

This line really confused me. I think they mean “emigrated”.


9 posted on 06/13/2012 7:03:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: C19fan

The Greek tragedy is a point of great hope ... for the Cloward-Piven goons. It proves the strategy works on a national scale, so now they insist it be used on a global scale. I’m afraid only guillotines can solve such an evil mess.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 7:03:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: miss marmelstein

You are confusing them with the communists who tried to use WW II as a cover to take over in post WW II.

Remember the comunists tried to take Greece when people were at their most miserable.


11 posted on 06/13/2012 7:07:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yes, of course, it was Greek Communists who murdered Eleni. I’m no expert on Greek history so forgive me if I get some of my facts wrong. But in my reading of the book, the horrors that befell Eleni and her family started long before the end of World War II.


12 posted on 06/13/2012 7:13:55 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: C19fan

Sucks to be them, especially when the rioting starts.


13 posted on 06/13/2012 7:15:29 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: MHGinTN

A point of information:

Greece recently had TWO immigration amnesty programs back to back to address all the illegal aliens.

That said,

you now have soup lines for the first time since WW II. You also have a generation which has no clue how to talk to their “neighbor” for help. The goverment was seen as the neighbor who provides. You have people who simply do not know how to cope.

We can be all self rightous and a few can throw stones from the porches of their glass houses, however that does not change the fact that we have real people in real need. This is not a time for “ha ha”, this is a time to remind them about how to fish.


14 posted on 06/13/2012 7:15:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Portcall24

Yes! Eleni is a brilliant book and should be required reading for everyone. I would recommend the movie to you, too. It got devastatingly poor reviews when it opened and destroyed the career of the very great stage actress, Kate Nelligan. And John Malkovich’s leading man status (!!) went down considerably. I still think the film was destroyed by the left-wing press and they black-listed Nelligan for appearing in it.


15 posted on 06/13/2012 7:18:45 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: C19fan
Leftists love to think that they hold "the moral high ground," too stupid to understand that Western Civilization, free market economics, and liberty have given the people of the world far more that is good than anything else ever devised.

The satellite images of North Korea and South Korea were not enough to convince these fools. Neither were the differences between East Germany and West Germany, the USA and the USSR, between Detroit of 1950 and Detroit of the 21st century.

Unfortunately, despite all its promises and all the good it has brought, the Information Age has empowered the scoundrels and fools of the world.

16 posted on 06/13/2012 7:19:55 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: longtermmemmory

There is a need for some black humor on this thread. Most of us are whistling past the graveyard and scared to death of the future. At least, I am!


17 posted on 06/13/2012 7:22:56 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: MHGinTN

Guillotines will be used, eventually, when the Antichrist can’t get Christians to take his Mark of the Beast to buy or sell (not that you didn’t already know that).


18 posted on 06/13/2012 7:23:21 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: miss marmelstein

To all: I am married to a Greek National - and we have both watched “Eleni” and read the book. ALL Greeks were not communists...there were conservatives who fought back during the Civil Unrest...Much of the communist activity occurred in northern Greece where children - boys and girls - were shipped off to Bulgaria and Albania to be “indoctrinated”...

I would suggest that we not paint all Greeks with a broad brush...my husband comes from a long line of Greek Conservatives (mainly from Mani and Sparta) and they were firmly against this communist incursion — and fought fiercely to put them down.


19 posted on 06/13/2012 7:24:59 AM PDT by gmp31555
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To: gmp31555
No one said all Greeks were Communists. I never said or wrote that.

I do, wonder, however, if Melina Mecouri (the original limousine communist) and her rancid little husband, Jules Dassin, aren't burning in hell over their loving support of Greek communism while dining on the boulevards of Paris and Rome...

20 posted on 06/13/2012 7:37:34 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: longtermmemmory

At this point, learning to fish ain’t gonna be enough. They have problems that will require extrication from the EU to solve, and I submit that artilleryman, infantryman, and piloting are among the skills that will be orders of magnitude more important in saving Greece than fishing.


21 posted on 06/13/2012 7:42:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: C19fan

Yep, I may be a cold hearted SOB but people need to learn that socialism DOES NOT work. If it takes images of Greeks starving to death then so be it.


22 posted on 06/13/2012 7:47:32 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy
Yep, I may be a cold hearted SOB but people need to learn that socialism DOES NOT work. If it takes images of Greeks starving to death then so be it.

Socialists never learn anything particularly European Socialists.

23 posted on 06/13/2012 7:53:33 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Da Coyote

Exactly. What is happening in Greece will happen here. In a similar fashion.


24 posted on 06/13/2012 8:00:27 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: miss marmelstein
Not least for the inspiration that it has drawn pursuing human excellence throughout history...

Looks like they missed that bit about the Peloponnesian War. And as you've pointed out, WWII didn't exactly showcase the finer side of Gree kcivilization and humanitarian outlook, did it?

25 posted on 06/13/2012 8:00:32 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: bkepley
“Socialists never learn anything particularly European Socialists.”

So true. A Socialist can crap in their pants and, with firm belief, blame someone else.

26 posted on 06/13/2012 8:04:37 AM PDT by MCF
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To: MCF

Funny that you use that analogy, because I’ve heard a similar thing said about the liberal nanny state in general -
“someone craps their pants and we ALL have to wear diapers”


27 posted on 06/13/2012 8:08:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: longtermmemmory

I don’t know where you dreamed up the crap of sending a haha from my post. Do you know what the Cloward-Piven strategy is? Greece is a prime example of overloading the governemt system with too many employees and dependents being paid for out of the government coffer running on borrowed money. If you can’t see why the system collapsed then it does little good to fix it then go right back to the same process for it to collapse again. That’s hardly a haha, poster.


28 posted on 06/13/2012 8:14:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: longtermmemmory

The problem is, the Greeks imagine that their OWED these things. They are not.

Maybe if they admitted their mistakes and asked nicely for charity people would be more willing to help?

And they still need to offer some sort of realistic plan of rectifying their mistakes.


29 posted on 06/13/2012 8:21:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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bfl


30 posted on 06/13/2012 8:27:55 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: miss marmelstein

So long ago. I’d forgotten. I was in the Pentagon when the movie came out. I recall there were several screenings of the movie around Washington. The late Jean Kirkpatrick (a true stateswoman) was a strong supporter of folks watching it.


31 posted on 06/13/2012 8:57:41 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: C19fan

“Germany’s Unprovoked Aggression”...

Just a little history. The “unprovoked aggression” was from Mussolini’s Italy. Hitler’s Balkans policy was not to rock the boat, because he didn’t want the Ploesti oilfields threatened. Mussolini attacked Greece without consulting the Germans. Greece’s problems with Germany started when Greece let British ground and air units into Greece. Thaty, the Germans would not let stand [Ploesti again]. And since Hitler was already going to attack Yugoslavia for a pro-British coup, adding Greece, and later Crete, to the list was merely a techinical porble.


32 posted on 06/13/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: longtermmemmory

I suspect they’d sooner learn how to fish—imagine having to teach Greeks how to fish!—on their own.

The last thing they need is the international community to come in and ‘help’ them.


33 posted on 06/13/2012 9:18:42 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: miss marmelstein

Hi Miss Marmelstein - I didn’t say you stated that, so sorry if you thought that — that is why I addressed to all. I do believe that Greeks should be given some slack although their voting record overall seems abysmal...I cannot imagine going from a conservative like Karmanlis to an arch leftist like Papandreou. And now take a look at what they have...oh well.

And yes, one would hope Melina and hubby are paying their dues...although their daughter is a star on Greek TV with her own show.


34 posted on 06/13/2012 10:15:42 AM PDT by gmp31555
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To: All

“WWII didn’t exactly showcase the finer side of Gree kcivilization and humanitarian outlook, did it?”

I can say that it didn’t for some - but my Father In Law assisted downed Allied pilots to escape from occupied Greece to Turkey during the war...


35 posted on 06/13/2012 10:20:00 AM PDT by gmp31555
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To: gmp31555

Oh, that’s OK. I thought your comment was directed at me and I didn’t want you to think I was completely insensitive.


36 posted on 06/13/2012 10:25:05 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: BenLurkin

Hiroshima?


37 posted on 06/13/2012 11:17:01 AM PDT by Stix
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