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Lance Armstrong faces fresh doping charges from USADA (Could strip 7 Tour-de-France titles)
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Posted on 06/13/2012 1:19:23 PM PDT by kegger8r

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency brought formal doping charges against former cyclist Lance Armstrong in an action that could cost him his seven Tour de France titles, according to a letter sent to Armstrong and several others Tuesday.

As a result of the formal charges, Armstrong has been immediately banned from competition in triathlons, a sport he took up after his retirement from cycling in 2011.

In the 15-page charging letter obtained by The Post, USADA made previously unpublicized allegations against Armstrong, alleging it collected blood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 that were “fully consistent with blood ma­nipu­la­tion including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.” Armstrong has never tested positive.

In February, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles ended a nearly two-year investigation into doping allegations involving Armstrong without bringing criminal charges. Armstrong’s former teammates Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton cooperated with federal agents in that investigation and publicly accused Armstrong of doping.

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1 posted on 06/13/2012 1:19:28 PM PDT by kegger8r
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To: kegger8r

Not this 5h1t again!


2 posted on 06/13/2012 1:23:40 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: kegger8r
"Armstrong has never tested positive."

That's the money quote right there. Bet there are those who don't need actual prof to convict someone.
3 posted on 06/13/2012 1:25:03 PM PDT by JoSixChip (We had an opportunity to get Newt, but you blew it and now we get mitt.)
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To: kegger8r

They might take away the trophies but they’ll never take away the money. If he cheated he still prospered.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 1:26:22 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: kegger8r
By cheaters do you mean the USADA?

From the article:

“I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one,” Armstrong said in a statement released by his publicist. “That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence. Any fair consideration of these allegations has and will continue to vindicate me.”

"These charges are a product of malice and spite and not evidence,” Armstrong’s Washington-based attorney Robert D. Luskin said in a telephone interview Wednesday. “Nothing else explains the fact . . . they allege an overarching doping conspiracy among four teams over 14 years and Lance is the only rider that gets charged.”

5 posted on 06/13/2012 1:27:05 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: kegger8r

Lance, meet George Zimmerman. George, meet Scooter Libby. Scooter, I’d like to introduce you to a few members of the Duke LaCrosse team...


6 posted on 06/13/2012 1:28:06 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: kegger8r
Armstrong's last Tour de France win was 2005. His last Tour de France race was 2009.

According to information available in a google search: From his return to cycling in the fall of 2008 through March 2009, Armstrong submitted to 24 unannounced drug tests by various anti-doping authorities. All of the tests were negative for performance-enhancing drugs

Doesn't seem to be much there in the way of evidence Armstrong actually cheated.

7 posted on 06/13/2012 1:28:45 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: JoSixChip

How many times did Barry Bonds test positive? These tests don’t really test if the athlete is juicing, they test if the athlete is doing a bad job juicing.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 1:29:03 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: JoSixChip

Is the USADA based in Florida?


9 posted on 06/13/2012 1:30:07 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: kegger8r

Armstrong denied the charges in a statement: “I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-usa-armstrong-doping-idUSBRE85C1IN20120613

Not defending Armstrong but if the above is true then he has been damn lucky in the tests or the charges are just that, charges without proof.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 1:32:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: kegger8r

These whiney Europeans and Europhiles in America need to get over it. Lance is a great athlete and a genetic freak. That is why he was so good. Give it up!


11 posted on 06/13/2012 1:32:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: SoldierDad

Apparently, negative tests are “consistent” with a rider who has masked agents so that his tests come up negative.

If his tests were positive, then they wouldn’t have evidence that he used masking agents.

Just like witches float, and non-witches drown.

:-)


12 posted on 06/13/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: deport

Drug Tests can be fraudulently passed.

[B]lood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 that were “fully consistent with blood ma­nipu­la­tion including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.”


13 posted on 06/13/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by kegger8r (ABO since 2008)
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To: JoSixChip

They didn’t need proof to charge Zimmerman, why do we think they need it to charge Armstrong.


14 posted on 06/13/2012 1:37:29 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: discostu

Bonds was never tested by MLB. Armstrong, however, is the most tested athlete in history. Cycling has the most extensive testing procedures of any sport and have caught a number of people.


15 posted on 06/13/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: kegger8r

Damn lucky to have never been caught with all the drug test he was subjected to back in the Tour de France races. Either he was the best cheat around being able to fool all those test or this is a witch hunt. You may fool some of them but you are human and generally you will screw something up once in a while.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 1:39:54 PM PDT by deport
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To: kegger8r

What’re they gonna do? Create a 7-year ‘hole’ atop the Tour de France rankings? Declare that German cyclist the greatest of all time since he finished 2nd on many of those Tours?

It’s like the NCAA stripping basketball & football champions years after the fact because of illegal booster activity. Nobody gives a sh—


17 posted on 06/13/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: discostu
How many times did Barry Bonds test positive?

in the decade from 1997 to 2006, you had phenomenal sports performances from Lance, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Tiger Woods. We know these four baseball players were juicing along with about 50% MLB. Lance probably juiced in some fashion, but was competing against other juicers.

Tiger - I can argue either way. I do know achilles tendon problems show up often in steriod users - and rarely in golfers.

18 posted on 06/13/2012 1:44:05 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: Tallguy

IF he is indeed guilty, then yes remove him from the record books. People may not care, but he sure as hell will.


19 posted on 06/13/2012 1:44:29 PM PDT by kegger8r (ABO since 2008)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

And all the people cycling has caught we doping for years before they finally got caught. The fact is the whole drug test situation in ALL sports is ridiculous. There are too many drugs to take, too many masking agents, and when push comes to shove the sports themselves don’t want positive tests, they want record breaking athletes competing against each other at a high level which translates to everybody doing drugs.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 1:45:45 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: kegger8r
USADA made previously unpublicized allegations against Armstrong

Imagine that. Being able to control doping in cycling AND inspect all my meats. Is there ANYTHING Government can't do?

21 posted on 06/13/2012 1:46:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kegger8r

I hope they bust his liberal a$$! He was a major backer of prop 29 her in Kalifornia that would have added another dollar tax on cigarettes.


22 posted on 06/13/2012 1:47:03 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

re: Witches floating.....

That’s why my former wife could swim so well!


23 posted on 06/13/2012 1:48:25 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: kegger8r

There are some things I simply don’t like about Lance Armstrong, but this stinks of a witch hunt.

But, as many posters have stated already, actual guilt or real proof thereof is no requirement for an accusation of guilt, nor is it required or desirable for a guilty verdict from certain subsets of people.

To them, guilt isn’t really the question, it is the goal.


24 posted on 06/13/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: vpintheak

Lance is a great athlete and a genetic freak. That is why he was so good. Give it up!


For what it’s worth.

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Physiologist Edward Coyle, who runs the Human Performance Lab at the University of Texas in Austin, has studied Armstrong’s body for eight years. He’s discovered that the cyclist has an oversized heart that has grown through training to become 30 per cent larger than the average man’s.

His heart can pump nine gallons of blood per minute, compared to five for the average person. In fact, Coyle estimates that the 5-foot-10 Armstrong had a heart proportional to the size of a 6’6 man.

Armstrong’s lungs can absorb twice as much oxygen. His muscles produce half as much lactic acid and expel it faster, allowing him to ride harder up the Tour’s notoriously brutal hills and then recover quickly.

An average person turns 20 per cent of the oxygen he breathes into muscle power. Armstrong gets 23 per cent — close to the highest ever recorded in a human. So with each breath he delivers more power to each push of the pedal.

Armstrong’s body is so unique, if he didn’t train at all, he would still be in better physical condition than an average person in top condition.

But of course, it’s not fair to attribute Armstrong’s Tour victories solely to his incredible body. Let us remember that before he was diagnosed with cancer nine years ago, the 33-year-old Armstrong had never won the Tour, even though he had the same genetic gifts.

Coyle says what really makes Armstrong unique is his determination and discipline.

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CTVNewsAt11/20050725/armstrong_body_050722/#ixzz1xhz3PNSu


25 posted on 06/13/2012 1:49:42 PM PDT by deport
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To: kegger8r
I'm no fan of Lance - don't know, he just irks me - but this focus on him is to pull him down and make an example of him.

Having an American dominate the Tour like he did has too much for our cyclist betters in Europe.

and on the subject of "doping", almost every supplement and stack I've used would get me banned from racing. There are still issues with training at higher elevations

26 posted on 06/13/2012 1:50:31 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: discostu

Another way to put it is that the dopers were 5+ years ahead of the anti-doping tests. This is the key reason that the athletes don’t want their blood stored for future testing... eventually the new tests will prove that an athlete that tested ‘clean’ at the time was in fact doping.

Being the top cyclist with the top trainer on the top team, it wouldn’t surprise me if Lance were 6 or 7 years ahead of the dope-testing curve, where the other contestants were only 1 step ahead of “Johnny Law.”


27 posted on 06/13/2012 1:51:20 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: kegger8r

Armstrong doped, but he didn’t cheat.

Blood doping has been a necessity at every level of european pro cycling since they first figured out the benefits of boosted hematocrit levels on aerobic capacity in the late 80’s.

As a long time fan, sometime participant and student of the sport I’d be willing to bet a large chunk of change that not a single professional “grand tour” or major classic race from 1990 -> 2005 was won without the aid of EPO, CERA, or autologous transfusions. Its very likely most would involve anabolic steroids, amphetamines and body fat reducing drugs as well.

The bottom line is that the benefits of boosted hematocrit levels in a sport in which the big tours are won or lost on aerobic capacity and power to weight ratio are significant enough that if a single decent rider in a 150 man peloton is on “the program,” the rest have to do it to keep the playing field even.

I’m a Lance fan and I don’t think any of the following diminishes the fact that it takes a ridiculous amount of hard work, dedication and talent to win a race like the tour seven times. The time gaps on decisive mountain stages would probably be similar if they were all clean as a whistle, just uniformly slower.

LA would only be cheating, imo, if what he did gave him an unfair advantage over his competitors. Definitely not the case in this instance.


28 posted on 06/13/2012 1:52:21 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Randy Larsen

Forget his politics. This is not about Republican, Democrat or other.

The man has never tested positive - ever. Yet they will continue to charge him until “some” organization finds him guilty.

When that happens, the one time he is found guilty will end the trials and accusations. Fair? No...not for anyone regardless of their political persuasion.

Further, he will not have an opportunity to redeem himself once found guilty...all the “innocent” findings will be forgotten.

And...there will never be any tangible evidence of his having tested positive.

Wrong - just wrong.


29 posted on 06/13/2012 1:53:36 PM PDT by Herodes
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To: Randy Larsen

Yeah. That and his romance with Ms. One Piece of Toilet Paper.

He is a lib, no doubt. There are a lot of things I don’t like about him.

But principled people won’t applaud if he is punished for something simply because they don’t like him.

Some people just have other agendas, though.


30 posted on 06/13/2012 1:54:36 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: deport
Armstrong had a heart proportional to the size of a 6’6 man

That's nothin, I had a heart of 6'5 trespasser and 2 of his smaller friends but the dog went and dug them up and well, you know how that goes

31 posted on 06/13/2012 1:55:39 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: kegger8r
Armstrong has never tested positive.

At one level, I just don't care that much about bicycle riding.

At another, I'm beginning to wonder if these things aren't stirred up from time to time by agents in order to keep star's names in the news. Both good boys and bad boys control large speaker fees.

Forgotten boys get less.

32 posted on 06/13/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: kegger8r

Oh Geez Not This Again....


33 posted on 06/13/2012 1:58:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: deport

I had read his book, and apparently the cancer changed the nature of his body type.

As I recall, they used to call him “The Bull” before that due to his aggressiveness on a straightaway, but he had to lug that large upper torso up the mountains with him, which made him pretty average. After the bout with cancer, that changed, and his ability to climb hills changed with it for the better.

I don’t follow cycling, so I don’t have any before and after pictures to verify that, but working in medicine and seeing the effect cancer can have, I wouldn’t rule out it did change his body type.


34 posted on 06/13/2012 1:59:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Baynative

Tack Tom Delay and Sarah Palin in there.

I like where you’re headed there, and I’ll bet there are some other great names you could mention too.

Just don’t go Michael Jackson and O. J. on me. ;^)


35 posted on 06/13/2012 2:01:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: kegger8r

All the testing that has been done, the previous charges, the fact that tests in 2009 and 10 didn’t turn up anything until now...

They really are desperate to get him aren’t they.

Over five hundred drug tests and not a single fail?

I say string him up!!!!!

/s


36 posted on 06/13/2012 2:02:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: rlmorel
There are some things I simply don’t like about Lance Armstrong, but this stinks of a witch hunt.

**********************************

Agreed.

37 posted on 06/13/2012 2:03:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kegger8r

Dateline June 12, 3069

In an affidavit released today the USADA has charged Lance Armstrong, now deceased for over 1000 years, with illegal doping.

President R. U. Kidding states “ We have finally nailed the b@stard”


38 posted on 06/13/2012 2:05:41 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: SoldierDad
Armstrong's last Tour de France win was 2005.

And these charges are based on samples collected in 2009 and 2010. What is the point of this? I have NO idea whether LA was doping or not, but this seems petty as hell by USADA.
39 posted on 06/13/2012 2:05:55 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: ghost of nixon

Do you have evidence that Lance, Roger or Tiger cheated? By all means share your proof so we can all agree that you are not a slanderer.


40 posted on 06/13/2012 2:07:07 PM PDT by WilliamRobert (Ted Cruz Texas' true conservative)
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To: rockvillem
According to the article, the USADA does want Lance Armstrong stripped from all of his awards.

The letter specifically alleges that “multiple riders with firsthand knowledge” will testify that Armstrong used EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and masking agents, and that he distributed and administered drugs to other cyclists from 1998 to 2005. The letter alleges that numerous witnesses will testify that Armstrong also used human growth hormone before 1996.

Additionally, the same letter includes the past #1 TdF Team Manager, Johan Bruyneel, now running Team Radio Shack-Nissan. He may end up being unable to participate in this year's Tour.

41 posted on 06/13/2012 2:28:05 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: kegger8r

That’s gratitude, after he shilled for an unsupervised tax grab from tobacco users. I am sure if he had won, this would go away.


42 posted on 06/13/2012 3:16:59 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: deport

Did you forget that Lance was a World Champion? And after cancer surgery and treatment he came back 10 Kilos lighter, which is a huge advantage in the Mountains?


43 posted on 06/13/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: WilliamRobert
Do you have evidence that Lance, Roger or Tiger cheated?

seriously...Rodger is guilty as hell...even the lying-assed congress is trying him for perjury. Lance has been accused by at least one sane, american former teammate, but with the widespread doping/juicing going on in cycling, even if Lance is guilty I don't think it is a big deal.

My earlier post said I could argue Tiger's case either way - but the case against him is strictly circumstantial - achilles tendon problems, chronic knee problems - almost unheard of in golf. He beefed up - unusually for a golfer - and dominated the sport for years - now he has shrunk back down some. He was seeing a doctor - Anthony Galea - who was busted recently for bringing HGH into the country from Canada. His dominant years coincide with the height of the steriod era. That said, I'm not convinced Tiger was juicing - but his is a curious case.

44 posted on 06/13/2012 3:27:54 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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How do they explain his physically larger heart? He literally has a bigger than average blood movement because of this larger heart. (30% larger?)

Is this constant attack a french thing?

If they had HARD evidence where is it? What is the chain of custody of these new new new new new blood samples?


45 posted on 06/13/2012 3:38:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: deport
This makes sense, I did not know this about Armstrong. It is believeable that he has had a phenomenal racing career because that is just the way he is. Sometimes things like this just happen.

It was discovered during his autopsy that the great race horse Secretariat had a heart that was almost twice the size of a normal horse's heart. I will never forget my Dad's face when we watched the Belmont Stakes in 1973 when Secretariat won the race by 31 lengths. He was absolutely stunned, almost in awe and I remember he said, "God was riding that horse, we will never see that again." Dad was right.

46 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:11 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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To: deport
This makes sense, I did not know this about Armstrong. It is believeable that he has had a phenomenal racing career because that is just the way he is. Sometimes things like this just happen.

It was discovered during his autopsy that the great race horse Secretariat had a heart that was almost twice the size of a normal horse's heart. I will never forget my Dad's face when we watched the Belmont Stakes in 1973 when Secretariat won the race by 31 lengths. He was absolutely stunned, almost in awe and I remember he said, "God was riding that horse, we will never see that again." Dad was right.

47 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:19 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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To: deport
This makes sense, I did not know this about Armstrong. It is believeable that he has had a phenomenal racing career because that is just the way he is. Sometimes things like this just happen.

It was discovered during his autopsy that the great race horse Secretariat had a heart that was almost twice the size of a normal horse's heart. I will never forget my Dad's face when we watched the Belmont Stakes in 1973 when Secretariat won the race by 31 lengths. He was absolutely stunned, almost in awe and I remember he said, "God was riding that horse, we will never see that again." Dad was right.

48 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:19 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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To: deport
This makes sense, I did not know this about Armstrong. It is believeable that he has had a phenomenal racing career because that is just the way he is. Sometimes things like this just happen.

It was discovered during his autopsy that the great race horse Secretariat had a heart that was almost twice the size of a normal horse's heart. I will never forget my Dad's face when we watched the Belmont Stakes in 1973 when Secretariat won the race by 31 lengths. He was absolutely stunned, almost in awe and I remember he said, "God was riding that horse, we will never see that again." Dad was right.

49 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:19 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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To: deport
This makes sense, I did not know this about Armstrong. It is believeable that he has had a phenomenal racing career because that is just the way he is. Sometimes things like this just happen.

It was discovered during his autopsy that the great race horse Secretariat had a heart that was almost twice the size of a normal horse's heart. I will never forget my Dad's face when we watched the Belmont Stakes in 1973 when Secretariat won the race by 31 lengths. He was absolutely stunned, almost in awe and I remember he said, "God was riding that horse, we will never see that again." Dad was right.

50 posted on 06/13/2012 4:12:19 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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