Skip to comments.The Elite Are Attempting To Convince Us That Killing Off Our Sick Grandparents Is Cool And Trendy
Posted on 06/13/2012 9:13:03 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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Well “pulling the plug” to me means the person is artificial life support. Me and my wife have made it clear we don’t intend to be kept alive by life support unless it is just temporary due to an accident. Extended life support - no way. These kind of questions have to be dealt with by the family on a case by case basis. “Pulling the plug” sometimes has to be done.
I finally found the one subject that will push me back into the arms of the Catholic Church. Whatever that institution’s failings, they are merciless in their condemnation of this stuff.
Yep! “Every man over 40 is a scoundrel.”
Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness don't mean much to the dead.
“These kind of questions have to be dealt with by the family on a case by case basis. Pulling the plug sometimes has to be done.”
That’s what living wills are for - it should be an individual’s decision, or the immediate family’s in the event there is no living will (but even then, hopefully the family is loving, knows that person’s feelings on the subject and will honor them either way).
It should NOT be decided by government death panels, Godless progressives or those brainwashed by them.
It’s the leftist trajectory, although it appears to be shaped by American culture as it proceeds with its predictable outcome of mass murder and mayhem.
The Russians and the Chinese came from cultures that already had a long history of genocide and tyrants, and, sure enough, they got Stalin and Mao. The Cubans come from the tradition of the strongman, and there’s swaggering Castro. When the Italians embraced the left under Mussolini, it was a lot more laid back than the German technocratic model.
So here we are. We’re hiding our genocide under a layer of laws and legal precedent with abortion, and calling it “choice” to reflect a culture of individual freedom. I expect the slaughter of the old to be a lot like the slaughter of the unborn. Lawsuits will be filed. People will protest. There will be emmenations of penumbras. Supporters will call it a “choice.” The murders themselves will take place in clean, quiet places surrounded by “compassionate” helpers from the private institution in charge. No one will be forced, but the pressure of culture, media, and government will be unbearable for many. It’s almost as if the Americans had come up with a way for the population to willingly, even happily, step in the concentration camps, for their own good, of course, and the good of everyone else.
The next step after this will be the normalization of suicide. People have a right to control their own bodies, don’t you know, and since the old and infirm have a “right” to die, then everyone has the same right.
I guess I’ll live long enough to see if this prediction comes true. God help us.
In my opinion, ObamaCare/DeathCare/AuschwitzCare was designed to be the next Holocaust via Death Panels with Big Bro and Big Sis deciding who lives and who dies based on their criteria.
I know, it was his call to receive all these treatments but it is not the “quality” of life I want when I get to that point.
She is now living in a nursing home but because her meds are regulated, she eats properly, and has adults her age to socialize with (all her needs are physical, not mental) she is thriving. She practically runs the place! The Grand kids can visit Grandma in a healthy environment and are learning so much from her! I feel like I have my mom back, I wish at home but she needs 24 hour care. But mentally she's doing great! She hasn't looked so good in years! She uses a wheel chair but with physical therapy can now get around on her own. She helps other patients with various stages of dementia and Alzheimer's find there way around and visits those that can't get out of bed. I think she deserves a pay check!
If you can't tell I visited her this evening and was amazed at her progress. My children have made friends with the patients, my youngest one wants to help out so much, I think we have a nurse in the making! My daughter actually chatted with a 107 year old today! Learning about history, her memories, first hand, was such a wonderful thing for my children or anyone’s children! On Memorial day, they had a picnic and brought in a guitarist/singer that sang Patriotic songs and I swear even the patients with advanced Alzheimer's sang every word! My children listened to their stories and helped out with refreshments and the like. It was a priceless experience for them! I had to stop myself from crying like a baby! These people are actually not a drain on society, but a priceless resource!!!
Which shows no signs of reversing if people do not pry themselves away from the television.
You might add insurance companies to your list who are doing this as we speak.
Folks cant depend on anyone but their selves to deal with this issue.
As for the cost of his care, so what? Why do we assume there is only a limited amount of medical care available? Where there is demand, the market will increase the supply. More demand, higher wages for the doctors, medical technicians, etc. Higher wages, more people are eager to enter the field. It's only when the government steps in that the whole system breaks down.
“or those brainwashed by them.”
That’s the very sort of nanny-state condescension the libs do. “These people aren’t smart enough to make their own decisions.” Maybe they aren’t, but in a free society we respect their decisions about certain personal life choices. Signing a DNR order is one of those cases where we dare not second guess the individual’s choice.
If they were to off me, the scum bags who now make multiple millions on my diabetes meds. will be ruined. No more gravy train from THIS little old lady.
Is there a difference between "cool" and "trendy"?
Everyone should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to continue living.
The more relevant question of this article is whether anyone has the right to make virtual slaves of strangers to prolong their own life. Can you demand healthcare that you have no way of paying for, knowing that it will lower the quality of life for hundreds of other people ? Isn’t that what is really happening when the government must tax hundreds of other people thousands of dollars each to pay for $500,000 of longterm nursing care for a comatose octogenarian ?
I was born with no hair, no teeth, poor eyesight and could not understand what was spoken to me. All I could do was eat, sleep and cry when I pooped my pants.
I am now old and I have no hair, no teeth, poor eyesight and can only understand half of what I hear. All I can do is eat, sleep and cry when I can’t make it to the potty and poop my pants.
I long for an end to the pain that is a constant companion at this end of the circle of life for I know that there is a new life awaiting me when the circle is complete.
I pray that government will not allowed to intervene or interfere in any way with my passing.
If an individual pays their own health care, they have the right to make their own health care decisions. If an individual relies on insurance, the insurance contract governs what is and is not covered. The individual has no moral right to demand anything beyond what’s covered in the policy.
Now the poor and elderly who depend on government provided care are an entirely different matter. If you do nothing to prepare yourself for independence in your retirement, don’t expect other citizens to provide a bottomless pit of money to take care of your health needs in old age. For example, you have no moral right to demand that someone give you $10 million (or anything really) to extend your life a few months.
While I think we are morally obliged to help others, I don’t think that means the individual can help themselves to whatever they want at other people’s expense. In other words, if Mr. Taxpayer is paying, Mr. Taxpayer — not the patient — determines the level of care. People should keep this in mind, because if they don’t like Uncle Sam making the decisions, don’t depend on Uncle Sam for care.
Why take the risk, that those evil relatives will keep you alive just to drain their savings, go now while you have the means to determine your end.
The right to die with dignity cr@p passed in Oregon big time, amazingly only 35 people have requested the suicide kit, and not all of them have used it. Wonder why?
It was never about a right to die, it was always about a right for the state to kill you. Soon if you are on life support, it won't matter what your wishes are, is that really what the human race has come to?
I had three stents put in not long ago and was harassed big time by an old nurse to sign a DNR. Do you have an idea how stupid that would be?
That's true. People, even conservatives, apparently think the government should take care of the elderly, but the government doesn't have a bottomless pit of money. Neither do insurance companies. Death panels are the inevitable result of dependence on other people's money.
If someone has their hand out for other people's money, those other people are going to inevitably put the brakes on spending. They'll have to or it will bankrupt them. No one is saying a person can't spend as much as they want to extend their life as long as they can, so long as that money is their own.
If people don't like death panels, then stop asking the government to pay your bills. It's as simple as that.
Kellis91789: “The more relevant question of this article is whether anyone has the right to make virtual slaves of strangers to prolong their own life.”
I posted something similar before I read your post. You sum the situation up well. You want others to pay, don’t complain when they make the decisions, right?
I don't know, how about comparing that to the cost of a death row inmate that has been there through several appeals and quality healthcare even in one case that included a heart transplant.
If you love your parents and grand parents then take care of them yourself, then they won't be a burden to society, else quit complaining, and just off them yourself.
Beside that the comatose patient is still voting.
Add to that;
40 percent of the U.S. workforce to retire over the next five years.
I mean, every Democrat from Nancy "Facelift" Pelosi to "Dingey" Harry Reed made fun of Sarah Palin for suggesting such patent nonsense... even Prezzadint Barrio Bummer chimed in on that one.
They wouldn't lie about that, would they?
You know, the govt. wanted this when FDR started giving away other people’s hard earned money. There were plenty of people opposed to him, but now they are more or less ignored, the same as we will be ignored 70 years from now when our kids and theirs are struggling with this mess.
Now the govt says just what those oppositionists said they would say: “We won’t take care of the elderly, it’s not possible”.
Really? Well, we would do so, but we’re not very well prepared to do so.
No, it wasn
t his call, really. the medical system takes over. Even with a living will, they’lll ignore it. The medical system thrives on sick people and those in it, doctors, big pharm, take and take. But that $ will run out. It already did a long time ago.
the govt stepped in a long time ago with medicaid and medicare.
It is a fact that the system MDs etc, ripped off that funding to bankruptcy.
Folks are running up million dollar bills all over every day and there is no one paying all of that, no way.
People assume there will always be this kind of care, but it will stop one day soon.
and no one would be allowed to publish a story on the decrease in interest in entering the medical field.
Whoever thinks this is an attractive and thriving field is living in a rebbit hole.
The idea that we might ration health care to seniors (or anyone else) is political anathema. Politicians do not dare breathe the R word, lest they be accusedhowever wronglyof trying to pull the plug on Grandma. But the need to spend less money on the elderly at the end of life is the elephant in the room in the health-reform debate. Everyone sees it but no one wants to talk about it. At a more basic level, Americans are afraid not just of dying, but of talking and thinking about death. Until Americans learn to contemplate death as more than a scientific challenge to be overcome, our health-care system will remain unfixable......need to be carefully indented using the <blockquote> tag (and then unblocked, of course, at the end), so that readers don't form the unfortunate, and wrong, impression that American Dream was actually advocating this stuff. The problem is that in the article above, the provenience of these sentences is completely unmarked. It needs to be marked, by offsetting and possibly setting a font, for correct comprehension.
All these articles are Doing is Describing Obamacare. When Obama states that his Health care law will lower Costs what do you think he is Talking about? He Stated it in public at the Town Hall during His Campaign to the Woman who asked about the pacemaker for her Mother and Obama told her that we could not afford to provide things like that to people at that age regardless of how active they were.
But if you would just Google Ezekiel Emmanuel and the “Complete Lives System”,you will see the Guy and His Plan who Obama gave a Billion dollars in the Stimulus Package to implement what all these articles Write about.
I cant believe the ignorance of the American People,I a Printer Repair Dope has Been posting this for years now,it is right in front of our faces it is in the Obamacare law,these articles are just Just trying to justify what is at Present THE LAW OF THE LAND! This is how Obamacare cuts cost. Look at Emmanuel the Guy who is writing the policy and is being paid with OUR TAX DOLLARS!Google “Comparative Effectiveness Research Panel”Its all right there folks
....after all, did not our FASCIST Dear Leader personally recruit and appoint a renowned Medical Expert (Dr. Ezekiel "Mengele" Emanuel) as his "Health Czar?
Dr. Emamuel wrote in the Feb. 27, 2008, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
"Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change."
"True reform, he argued, must include redefining doctors' ethical obligations.
In the June 18, 2008, issue of JAMA, Dr. Emanuel blames the Hippocratic Oath for the 'overuse' of medical care: 'Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness,' he writes:
"This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of professional obligations, specifically the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others.'
In numerous writings, Dr. Emanuel chastises physicians for thinking only about their own patient's needs. ...
Dr. Emanuel believes "doctors should serve two masters, the patient and society, and that medical students should be trained 'to provide socially sustainable, cost-effective care.' One sign of progress he sees: 'the progression in end-of-life care mentality from 'do everything' to more palliative care shows that change in physician norms and practices is possible." In the Lancet, Jan. 31, 2009, Dr. Emanuel and co-authors presented a 'complete lives system' for the allocation of very scarce resources, such as kidneys, vaccines, dialysis machines, intensive care beds, and others.
Dr. Emanuel concedes that his plan appears to discriminate against older people, but he explains:
"Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination. ... Treating 65 year olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not"
Sadly, this IS what the young want because they want their parent,s MONEY and don,t want to bother with taking care of them.
Once abortion broke that parent/child relationship, this is what you get.
GOD BLESS your FAMILY!!!
“If an individual pays their own health care, they have the right to make their own health care decisions”
Your autonomy is the biggest “problem” for these Communists in DC...because you’re autonomous....it makes them superfluous...something thei little egos can’t handle.
Unfortunately, such little egos have a history of great violence and destruction when made to face that fact. Such little egos were responsible for most of the 20th century carnage.
Do you have the Obama quote about not treating your 90 year old grandmother?
Amen, sister! Plus.....there’s the Eucharist.
Yes. I don’t take Communion because I’m “lapsed.” I hope I will some day when I can get my act together.
Cool and trendy? OK; I suggest we start with the parents of Time’s editorial staff and reporters who worked on this story. How “cool and trendy” will it be when it’s their loved ones who are being harvested and allowed to die?
I love your post! My mother is going into a nice Catholic facility this year. Your post makes me feel so much happier!
We have a proven solution to control and eliminate government death panels. It was called World War II.
Seems Margaret Sanger’s bloody legacy is unfolding. Some
say abortion is now a right and cannot be challenged by
law. When we allow people to kill from the womb to the Old Folks Home and both sides working towards the middle what
happens to the generation now entrusted to the Government school K-12 programs?
I left the Church for about 15 years. I can share that coming home was the absolute best blessing that God has given me. ;-)
PS Did you know that John Wayne’s grandson is a priest?
Cradle to grave ObamaCare apparently includes morning after pills and abortion on demand to avoid the cradle, abortion in infancy, pro-gay indoctrination from kindergarten on to discourage procreation, NannyState supervision of the size of soft drinks and popcorn to control midlife costs, and now an early trip to the grave - all to save government money. Now that it’s government money paying for everything, it’s the government’s decision whether you get treated or even get to live. “O brave new world, that has such people in’t.”
My wife and I have “living wills.” No “heroic measures.” No long-term life support.
Well they have sucessfully convinced ‘us’ that abortion is fine for birth control and that we come form evil people and our heritage is not important so killing old folks should be easy.
I think I’m finally going home. I just feel it in my bones.
Yes, I did know the Duke had a grandson who was a priest. I recently got to shake hands with Michael Wayne (his son) at a John Wayne memorabilia auction. I was - as always - priced out of the stuff!
It’s not just about “pulling the plug”. It’s about denying some segments of the population medical care.
Correct. But it's for your own good.