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‘When Does it Move Beyond Self-Defense?’: Civil Rights Leader Questions Texas Dad‘s Killing ...
The Blaze ^ | June 12, 2012 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 06/14/2012 9:07:51 AM PDT by Daffynition

Despite receiving tremendous support from nearby residents who say he was justified in his actions, the Texas dad who beat his 4-year-old daughter’s alleged molester to death near Shiner, Texas is remorseful for taking a man’s life, KRIV-TV in Houston reports.

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James Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project in Austin, said the dad had the right to “defend” his daughter but suggests he may have gone to far due to “anger.”

“Assuming it’s true that this guy was molesting the daughter, and we don’t know what exactly happened at this point, he would then have the right to defend [her], and hit him enough to have him stop,” Harrington told FoxNews.com. “But you cannot summarily execute him, even though I can understand the anger he would have.”

[I hope Mr. Harrington doesn't have a 4 y/o daughter.]

1 posted on 06/14/2012 9:08:00 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

I’m sick to my stomach over “civil rights.” Civil rights are ONE SIDED to everyone except those who are affected. A white man does anything to anyone of color and the “colored person’s” rights have been violated.

How about the father’s right AND DUTY to protect his wife, his children, and his property from the likes of ne’er-do-wells?

I’m SICK of all this racist BS. It’s coming to a head, folks, and like it or not, they’re going to lose by numbers alone.


2 posted on 06/14/2012 9:14:24 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Daffynition

A story I posted earlier.

Justified to kill: Why Detroit dominates the state’s justifiable homicides

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2895144/posts

The so called civil rights leaders are conspicuously absent, I wonder why that is.


3 posted on 06/14/2012 9:17:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Daffynition
Oh f'cryin' out loud ... it's a friggin' honor killin' ... a REAL one, worthy of respect for the Dad forced into the position.

Too many words are being produced to talk about, explain or argue something that is at the core of every father's being concerning his children and especially girls ... if you EVER come near my kids ...

4 posted on 06/14/2012 9:17:55 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Daffynition

When the Dad initially attacked the molester, he was defending his own daughter.

when he killed the criminal, he was defending the daughters of every father of a girl in Texas.

This father is a great American.

God Bless you, Sir.


5 posted on 06/14/2012 9:19:12 AM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Daffynition

Mr. Harrington thinks that the dad should have summoned just the right amount of anger and aggressiveness to defend his daughter from a physical attack, but not go too far. Hmmm, maybe the dad should have paused to assess his physical strength versus that of the molester, asked the molester if he had any ailments that could make death more likely in a fight, agree to some rules, and then proceeded. This sounds like the dad is Israel, and Mr. Harrington is the U.N., demanding a perfect “proportional response”.


6 posted on 06/14/2012 9:19:12 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Daffynition
If I were on the grand jury, and that's all the salient facts of the case, I'd no-bill this guy so fast the prosecutor wouldn't have time to straighten his tie.

I don't know where the limits of "self-defense" are, necessarily, but they're not there.

7 posted on 06/14/2012 9:19:34 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: rarestia

“civil rights.”
The civil rights of perverts supercede the civil rights of normal people now! After all, they were born that way!


8 posted on 06/14/2012 9:21:00 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: Oberon

Three yards of black fabric enshroud my computer terminal. I am mourning the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense.

His obituary reads as follows:

Common Sense, aka C.S., lived a long life, but died from heart failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was, his birth records were long ago entangled in miles and miles of bureaucratic red tape.
Known affectionately to close friends as Horse Sense and Sound Thinking, he selflessly devoted himself to a life of service in homes, schools, hospitals and offices, helping folks get jobs done without a lot of fanfare, whooping and hollering. Rules and regulations and petty, frivolous lawsuits held no power over C.S.

A most reliable sage, he was credited with cultivating the ability to know when to come in out of the rain, the discovery that the early bird gets the worm and how to take the bitter with the sweet. C.S. also developed sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adult is in charge, not the kid) and prudent dietary plans (offset eggs and bacon with a little fiber and orange juice).

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, the Technological Revolution and the Smoking Crusades, C.S. survived sundry cultural and educational trends including disco, the men’s movement, body piercing, whole language and new math.

C.S.’s health began declining in the late 1960s when he became infected with the If-It-Feels-Good, Do-It virus. In the following decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal and state rules and regulations and an oppressive tax code. C.S. was sapped of strength and the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, criminals received better treatment than victims and judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional baseball and golf. His deterioration accelerated as schools implemented zero-tolerance policies. Reports of 6-year-old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmates, a teen suspended for taking a swig of Scope mouthwash after lunch, girls suspended for possessing Midol and an honor student expelled for having a table knife in her school lunch were more than his heart could endure.

As the end neared, doctors say C.S. drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding regulations on low-flow toilets and mandatory air bags. Finally, upon hearing about a government plan to ban inhalers from 14 million asthmatics due to a trace of a pollutant that may be harmful to the environment, C.S. breathed his last. Services will be at Whispering Pines Cemetery. C.S. was preceded in death by his wife, Discretion; one daughter, Responsibility; and one son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, Half-Wit and Dim-Wit.

Memorial Contributions may be sent to the Institute for Rational Thought.

Farewell, Common Sense. May you rest in peace.


9 posted on 06/14/2012 9:22:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Yes, see, the importance hierarchy is

1: the deceased’s race

2: Whether the father ever participated in anything that could be interpreted as racist

3: the civil rights of the deceased, especially if he was an illegal immigrant

4: the message it sends to racists everywhere if this father walks free or worse, remains unindicted.

5: the message it sends to child molestors everywhere as far the survivability of committing their acts of diversity and cultural exposition in rural areas where there may be few elements of law enforcement.

6: the message it sends to people who believe that they have the right to protect their daughter or their family from
criminal assault.

7: the rights of the daughter who never would have had to go through this ordeal had she been properly aborted.


10 posted on 06/14/2012 9:23:41 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Daffynition

James Harrington = Media Whoring Jackass.


11 posted on 06/14/2012 9:24:17 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Daffynition

I would vote for the summary execution of James Harrington.


12 posted on 06/14/2012 9:24:33 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Daffynition

I’d personally beat this self-appointed civil-rights leader myself, given the opportunity.


13 posted on 06/14/2012 9:24:35 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: DMG2FUN

They don’t want us to tell them what to do, but they want us to pay for their indiscretions. It’s like a child telling a parent, “No, I won’t clean my room, but I WILL take money to go to the movies with my friends.”

At some point the adults need to push back from the table, grab the child by his hair, slam him over the back of the couch, and redden his ass until he can’t sit.

If that means taking out a few thousand criminals by “summary execution,” as this idiot civil rights “leader” describes it, then so be it! They’re so quick to criticize a white man for killing an Hispanic rapist trying to defile his daughter, but they are absolutely mute when it comes to the handful of murders PER DAY in Chicago at the hands of their own “people.”

*spit* Fie on you and your house Mr. civil rights “leader.” Fix your own problems first you hypocrite!


14 posted on 06/14/2012 9:27:04 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Daffynition
Civil Rights? CIVIL RIGHTS? C I V I L R I G H T S???????

WHAT about the "CIVIL RIGHTS" of the little girl????? The perp lost ALL "civil" rights when he became UNCIVIL!!!

15 posted on 06/14/2012 9:32:49 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Daffynition

Technically when the threat has been stopped.

The victim has to determine that however as they are the ones facing and dealing with the threat.

Would they be asking this if it was a woman being raped and she wound up killing the attacker? Do they ever ask that?

People shoot intruders all the time when the intruder hasn’t even put a hand on them (luckily).

I just love libs. Men hating all the way. Anything a guy does is wrong. Men suck any way you look at them. Now the dad is a bad guy too, because he defended his daughter from a pervert molesting her and the molester died. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

You know these are the same people that would criticize the guy if he didn’t kill the molester. “If it was MY daughter that guy would not have been left alive.”

And so what if there was anger. Cops respond in anger too. All people do. They are angry for being put in the situation, they are angry for having to have to defend themselves and others with force, they know it only makes their life more complicated from that point on. Just because there’s anger doesn’t mean the self defense isn’t necessary and the fact the pervert died while the dad was stopping the threat, doesn’t mean that was the intended result. That death is an unintended consequence of stopping the threat.


16 posted on 06/14/2012 9:38:55 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Daffynition

I love how these “Evolution Believing Liberals” ignore one of the strongest drives in Nature (besides sex, you know the one they love to flaunt in everyone’s faces as being natural and wholesome)and the drive that they ignore so much is the drive to protect one’s offspring.

One of the reasons they HAVE to abandon that drive is because in order to hold the sacred sacrement of abortion in so much reguard they have abandon one of the things that makes us a human animal and that is the drive to protect one’s offspring.

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

I don’t care who is attacking my child or any other child, what religion or race they are, they are dead meat if they are doing harm or getting ready to do harm. That is an instance where a human who is not asleep and pacified by progressivism will go berzerk and rightly so to defend their own opffspring.


17 posted on 06/14/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Daffynition
This is a genuine case of temporary insanity. They should charge him with manslaughter and bring it to trial. The jury will find him innocent because of temporary insanity and charges can not be brought against him again. Case closed.
18 posted on 06/14/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by MCF
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To: Daffynition
This guy is on an island by himself.

Out of curiosity, I looked for this story on DU... The responses were very similar to what was on FR. Maybe a few more, “I'm not a violent person, but..”, but the overall consensus was pedophiles must die, and dad was a hero.

19 posted on 06/14/2012 9:43:32 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Daffynition

In this scenario it doesn’t quit being self defense until the molester is dead.


20 posted on 06/14/2012 9:46:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Daffynition

Did Mr. Harrington also allow that the molester may have gone “too far” in assaulting a 4-year-old girl?

BTW, I don’t know the details of this case, but when practical I’d advise a Shoot, Shovel & Shut Up approach for this sort of scenario.


21 posted on 06/14/2012 9:48:39 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Daffynition

I will pray for the father. He has saved his child and who knows how many more from that monster.


22 posted on 06/14/2012 9:48:39 AM PDT by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: Daffynition

He should’ve beat him to death then shot him.


23 posted on 06/14/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by mindburglar (I'm not "The Man" anymore. Stick it to someone else.)
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To: Daffynition

this is the case where a molester was being extradited and transported. As he was being taken through the airport, the father had been waiting by a bank of pay phones pretending to be on a call. When the criminal passed close by, the father pulled out a firearm and shot him fatally. Texas did not try him as it would have been impossible to find a jury to convict him.

The only thing the goverment can do is give nifong his license back to prosecute or import angela corey. Assuming it was the attacker of the little girl, the only way the government could obtain a charge let alone a conviction is unethically and immorally.


24 posted on 06/14/2012 9:54:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; samtheman

I’m with both of you, gentlemen.

This media kissing the criminal’s a$$ BS is p#ssing me off.


25 posted on 06/14/2012 9:57:41 AM PDT by Levante
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Out of curiosity, I looked for this story on DU... The responses were very similar to what was on FR. Maybe a few more, “I'm not a violent person, but..”, but the overall consensus was pedophiles must die, and dad was a hero.
Interesting. Thanks for posting this. I am surprised to hear it and I hope that it reflects a broad opinion out there. It would be nice to think that the country hasn't gone totally insane.
26 posted on 06/14/2012 10:05:26 AM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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To: Daffynition

Only when the perp is Black or Muslim...
Then it’s always a “hate crime” and NEVER self defense.....


27 posted on 06/14/2012 10:06:58 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: longtermmemmory

I think you are talking about a different case than the article discusses?


28 posted on 06/14/2012 10:08:05 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Daffynition

There is no way they can find a jury in Texas to convict him. Won’t happen.


29 posted on 06/14/2012 10:08:17 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: longtermmemmory

Oh, I get it. You are making the point that no jury would convict. Sorry.


30 posted on 06/14/2012 10:09:22 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Daffynition

Upon catching a pervert molesting small children, the best thing to do is kill the pervert, and call the police. This father acted perfectly.


31 posted on 06/14/2012 10:24:45 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
In an atmosphere of confusion, laws can be passed taking away rights.


32 posted on 06/14/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: NEMDF

sorry I should have written “this is like the case where...”


33 posted on 06/14/2012 10:30:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Daffynition

An interesting and longstanding Texas legal concept, has a very clear, if odd sounding justification for heat of rage killings.

While this situation may no longer be on the books, it pretty well describes the concept. “A married person comes home to find their spouse in bed with a stranger. If they shoot to death one or the other, their action is considered to have been rational, and thus murder. However, if they kill both, the killing may be justified as heat of rage, a form of temporary insanity.”

On the surface this seems to be ridiculous, a 2-for-1 discount. But there is a deeper logic involved.

The assumption is that the married person in such a situation *may* see their spouse as an asset, and the other person as an interloper; *or* they *may* blame their spouse for the transgression, and not blame the other person. But both of these are “considered opinions”, thoughtful, and thus beyond “blind” rage. And thus illegal.

But a state of “blind” rage is not thoughtful or considered. In such a state a person just acts, with no thought to the consequences, lashing out at everyone in their focused proximity. They are, as such, temporarily insane.

With this concept in mind, the father’s extreme violence was directed at an imminent threat to his daughter, and was done with just his fists. It would be very easy to plead a “blind rage”, as no thought is apparently involved. The father would have done that as much if it was a bear, not a man.

By Texas law and tradition, the father cannot be blamed for the demise of the molester, or attempted molester.


34 posted on 06/14/2012 10:31:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Daffynition

What part of “He needed killing” can bum rags like Harrington not understand?


35 posted on 06/14/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Daffynition

What part of “He needed killing” can bum rags like Harrington not understand?

It is not like there was any question of guilt, or any attempt to hide the incident.


36 posted on 06/14/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: pallis

When a grown man is caught in the act of raping a 4 year old child, there should be no trial, no rights, no problem. That animal should be killed like a rabid dog as soon as possible,by anyone who is witness to it and can do the killing.This statement goes for ANY man caught in that act even a parent or more especially a parent.


37 posted on 06/14/2012 10:45:14 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Daffynition

I support the father. That being said: What is it that has turned these “Civil Rights” clowns into god like Guru’s? Why are their comments worthy of reporting? There is a word for them but one may not use it!


38 posted on 06/14/2012 10:50:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: cdcdawg
demanding a perfect “proportional response”

This was the perfect proportional response.

39 posted on 06/14/2012 11:03:03 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Oberon

This brings out the most visceral feelings one could have for this dad. This dad is the reason we celebrate Father’s day, IMO... and we all understand what a Mamma Grizzly would do. We have enough Sanduskys wandering around and making a mockery of the justice system. Natural law trumps the ACLU.


40 posted on 06/14/2012 11:13:43 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: MCF

It is not a case of insanity on the part of the father, just on the part of the ambulance chasers.

The decedent wasn’t beaten continuously until he expired. He was hit hard several times until dad got the kid away from him - then he later kicked the bucket. Most likely a chance strike damaged a major spinal nerve.

I would rule this a suicide.


41 posted on 06/14/2012 11:16:51 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
You've Got To Stand For Something
42 posted on 06/14/2012 11:24:39 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Does James Harrington have children? I’m betting no. In fact I’m hoping he doesn’t as it would be comforting to know that his defective genes are not being passed on to torment subsequent generations.


43 posted on 06/14/2012 11:25:47 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Daffynition

Kill the perp and claim to have no memory of doing so. Say nothing to the police but “I want an attorney”.


44 posted on 06/14/2012 11:38:07 AM PDT by ontap
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To: knarf

Lets not forget, another Texan, U.S. Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell. Remember his story of what happened when some thugs shot and killed his service dog, Dasy? Luttrell was a trained combat vet; he could have killed the punks on the spot; his unique life experience showed him a different path. Thank God, the Texas authorities didn’t charge Marcus with anything [that I know of].

I hope this dad lawyers up quickly and shuts up...unlike Zimmerman.


45 posted on 06/14/2012 11:38:12 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Ok, so MY definition of defending my daughters includes tearing your arm off and beating you with it until I am sure you are not moving. If that happens to include death then oh well. Better safe than sorry.


46 posted on 06/14/2012 12:15:57 PM PDT by domeika
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To: TFMcGuire

When the Dad initially attacked the molester, he was defending his own daughter.

when he killed the criminal, he was defending the daughters of every father of a girl in Texas.

This father is a great American.

God Bless you, Sir.

Dittos !


47 posted on 06/14/2012 12:23:16 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Venturer

No different than if he found a rattlesnake in the room.


48 posted on 06/14/2012 12:27:14 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: DMG2FUN

Certainly.

They can also be taken away when laws are made based on relativistic morals and beliefs that are based in nothing other than shifting trends and values (ie arbitrary and therefore meaningless from a moral standpoint), rather than absolutes. “The majority wants it” isn’t a strong moral foundation to rest your system of laws on because the majority can be wrong. The majority of people wanting something doesn’t make something inherently right (moral).


49 posted on 06/14/2012 12:33:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Daffynition

Did the father hit the perp one time too many or ten times too many? IMO, he hit him enough to stop him from further harming anyone around.

He is a great dad who is taking care of his child. I am sure the GJ will agree.


50 posted on 06/14/2012 1:27:16 PM PDT by jch10 (BO, Leaker-in-Chief)
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