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Arms and the Greeks ^ | August, 1999 | David Kopel

Posted on 06/14/2012 9:13:24 AM PDT by marktwain

The founders didn't conjure up the right to bear arms out of thin air. They learned its value from the founders of Western civilization.

The creators of America's republican form of government did not make everything up as they went along. American political philosophy — including the right to keep and bear arms — was firmly grounded in historical experience and in the great works of philosophy from ancient Greece through 18th-century Britain.

The Declaration of Independence was derived from what Thomas Jefferson called, "the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, etc." What did Aristotle — the most influential philosopher of Western civilization — say about the right to arms? Quite a lot that still rings true today.

Aristotle was a student of Plato, and studied at Plato's Academy outside Athens.

The Founders of the American Republic were intimately familiar with the writings of both Plato and Aristotle. And while Plato and Aristotle disagreed about many things, they agreed on the importance of arms-bearing to a society's political structure: whoever controlled the arms would control the government.

Plato's greatest work of political philosophy is The Republic, written in the first part of the fourth century, BCE. In The Republic, Plato explains his theory for why societies always progress from oligarchy (rule by a small group of elite rich) to democracy (rule by the people) to despotism (rule by a single man). At each step, the control of arms is essential.

In an oligarchy, "They next proceed to make a law which fixes a sum of money as the qualification of citizenship; the sum is higher in one place and lower in another, as the oligarchy is more or less exclusive; and they allow no one whose property falls below the amount fixed to have any share in the government. These changes in the constitution they effect by force of arms, if intimidation has not already done their work" (The Republic, Book VIII — "Four Forms of Government," Benjamin Jowett transl.).

Plato points out one of the disadvantages of oligarchy: "Another discreditable feature is, that, for a like reason, they are incapable of carrying on any war. Either they arm the multitude, and then they are more afraid of them than of the enemy; or, if they do not call them out in the hour of battle, they are oligarchs indeed, few to fight as they are few to rule."

Eventually, the oligarchy is supplanted by democracy, "whether the revolution has been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to withdraw." In other words, either armed revolution or the credible threat of armed revolution causes the oligarchy to lose its power. But after a while, the people succumb to demagogy, and a tyrant arises. The tyrant does not begin his worst abuses until after he has disarmed his victims. In The Republic , which is a series of teacher-student dialogues, the teacher explains: "Then the parent (the people) will discover what a monster he has been fostering in his bosom; and, when he wants to drive him out, he will find that he is weak and his son (the tyrant) strong."

Student: "Why, you do not mean to say that the tyrant will use violence? What! Beat his father if he opposes him?" Teacher: "Yes, he will, having first disarmed him."

In Plato's ideal state, the one-man rule of a tyrant is replaced by the one-man rule of a philosopher-king. The king uses a professional military/police class — the Guardians — to keep everyone else in line. Like the people of the former Soviet Union, the common people of Plato's ideal state would be trained periodically (once a month) in use of arms, but would have no right to arms, and arms would be centrally stored in state armories (Plato, Laws).

In Plato's utopia, "no one, man or woman, must ever be left without someone in charge of him; nobody must get into the habit of acting independently in either sham fighting or the real thing, and in peace and war alike we must give our constant attention and obedience to our leader. . ." (Laws).

The country most in harmony with Plato's theory of government is modern Singapore: tightly regulated, with a subject's entire life carefully controlled by a "benign" state.

Plato's most important philosophic descendent is the German Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 1831). Hegel provided the intellectual foundation for fascism, seeing the state as sacred, and the individual as absolutely subservient to the state. (Hegel and Plato differed on many other issues, such as the basis of perception, but their politics were essentially similar.)

Like Plato, Aristotle considered arms a fundamental source of political power, but unlike Plato, Aristotle wanted ordinary people to possess this power. In Aristotle's book Politics, he argues that each citizen should work to earn his own living, should participate in political or legislative affairs, and should bear arms.

Aristotle criticized the theory of another philosopher (Hippodamus), who wanted a strict division of roles between skilled labor, agriculture, and defense: "But the husbandmen have no arms, and the artisans neither arms nor land, and therefore they become all but slaves of the warrior class" (Aristotle, Politics, translated by Benjamin Jowett).

Aristotle considered the possession of arms synonymous with possession of political power: "when the citizens at large administer the state for the common interest, the government is called by the generic name — a constitution . . . in a constitutional government the fighting-men have the supreme power, and those who possess arms are the citizens" (Book 3, ch VII).

Aristotle linked the development of democracy (rule by the people) with military innovations making foot soldiers relevant: "But when cities increased and the heavy armed (as opposed to the cavalry) grew in strength, more had a share in the government; and this is the reason why the states which we call constitutional governments have been hitherto called democracies" (all of the above quotations from Book 4, ch. XIII).

It was inevitable that control of arms would lead to control of the state: "since it is an impossible thing that those who are able to use or to resist force should be willing to remain always in subjection . . . those who carry arms can always determine the fate of the constitution" (Book 7, ch. IX).

Arms are essential to any good government: "Let us then enumerate the functions of a state, and we shall easily elicit what we want. . . . thirdly, there must be arms, for the members of a community have need of them, and in their own hands, too, in order to maintain authority both against disobedient subjects and against external assailants" (Book 7, ch. VIII). It was hardly surprising that dictators always disarmed their subjects: "As of oligarchy so of tyranny . . . Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms" (Book 5, ch X).

Sometimes the disarmament was not accomplished directly, but instead by encouraging people to neglect arms training. "The devices by which oligarchies deceive the people . . . relate to . . . (4) the use of arms; (5) gymnastic exercises. . . . Concerning (4) the possession of arms, and (5) gymnastic exercises, they legislate in a similar spirit [trying to keep the poor from participating]. For the poor are not obliged to have arms, but the rich are fined for not having them; and in like manner no penalty is inflicted on the poor for non-attendance at the gymnasium, and consequently, having nothing to fear, they do not attend, whereas the rich are liable to a fine, and therefore they take care to attend."

Theorizing the people who bear the burdens of government should be the ones who run the government, Aristotle wrote that "The government should be confined to those who carry arms." The early American Republic essentially reflected this scheme; the group of people liable for militia duty was roughly the same as the group of people eligible to vote.

In The Athenian Constitution, written about 350 BCE, Aristotle gives a political history of the city-state of Athens. Rediscovered in the late 19th century, The Athenian Constitution provides historical evidence for Aristotle's theory that tyrants aim to disarm the people. Although The Athenian Constitution was not available to the American Founders, many of the political events described in the book were known to the founders through other sources.

In the sixth century BCE, a tyrant named Pisistratus took over Athens. Aristotle explained how the tyrant obtained absolute power by disarming the people of every city he controlled:

After his victory in the battle at Pallene he captured Athens, and when he had disarmed the people he at last had his tyranny securely established, and was able to take Naxos (a Greek island) and set up Lygdamis as ruler there. He effected the disarmament of the people in the following manner. He ordered a parade in full armour in the Theseum (a temple), and began to make a speech to the people. He spoke for a short time, until the people called out that they could not hear him, whereupon he bade them come up to the entrance of the Acropolis, in order that his voice might be better heard. Then, while he continued to speak to them at great length, men whom he had appointed for the purpose collected the arms and locked them up in the chambers of the Theseum hard by, and came and made a signal to him that it was done. Pisistratus accordingly, when he had finished the rest of what he had to say, told the people also what had happened to their arms; adding that they were not to be surprised or alarmed, but go home and attend to their private affairs, while he would himself for the future manage all the business of the state. (Aristotle, The Athenian Constitution, ch. 15, translated by Sir Frederic G. Kenyon)

Incidentally, Pisistratus maintained a peaceful foreign policy, "probably because he dared not allow the Athenian citizenry to bear arms in a major war," according to the Encyclopedia Britannica. Pisistratus was succeeded by his son Hippias. Hippias's younger brother Hipparchus was assassinated. "At first the government could find no clue to the conspiracy; for the current story, that Hippias made all who were taking part in the procession leave their arms, and then detected those who were carrying secret daggers, cannot be true, since at that time they did not bear arms in the processions, this being a custom instituted at a later period by the democracy" (The Athenian Constitution, ch. 18). In other words, carrying arms during a parade was an activity of freemen in a democracy, not of the subjects of a tyrant.

After Athens's defeat by Sparta in the Peloponnesian War, Sparta appointed the Thirty Tyrants to rule Athens in 404 BCE. Among this group of 30 was a long-time Athenian politician Theramenes, who had negotiated the peace with Sparta, but who opposed the more extreme measures of the Thirty. Aristotle explained how the Thirty Tyrants consolidated power, and how disarmament prepared the way for direct military rule:

Thereupon the Thirty decided to disarm the bulk of the population and to get rid of Theramenes; which they did in the following way. They introduced two laws into the Council, which they commanded it to pass; the first of them gave the Thirty absolute power to put to death any citizen who was not included in the list of the Three Thousand, while the second disqualified all persons from participation in the franchise who should have assisted in the demolition of the fort of Eetioneia, or have acted in any way against the Four Hundred who had organized the previous oligarchy (which had ruled in 411 BCE). Theramenes had done both, and accordingly, when these laws were ratified, he became excluded from the franchise and the Thirty had full power to put him to death. Theramenes having been thus removed, they disarmed all the people except the Three Thousand, and in every respect showed a great advance in cruelty and crime. They also sent ambassadors to Lacedaemonian (Sparta) to blacken the character of Theramenes and to ask for help; and the Lacedaemonians, in answer to their appeal, sent Callibius as military governor with about seven hundred troops, who came and occupied the Acropolis. (ch. 37)

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Aristotle, more than any other thinker, determined the orientation and the content of Western intellectual history." The discussion of the right to arms in the next 24 centuries has followed the lines laid down by Plato and Aristotle; one side in favor of an unaccountable central government having all the arms and all the power; and the other side favoring rule by citizens who maintain their right to arms. Whatever the issue du jour of the contemporary gun control debate (e.g., gun registration in Canada; gun locks in the United States; handgun confiscation in the United Kingdom), friends of civil liberty should never forget the ultimate issue that drives the gun control movement: the determination to make armed citizens into disarmed subjects of a powerful, sometimes benign, collection of people who call themselves the government.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aristotle; banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; donttreadonme; freedom; godsgravesglyphs; history; liberty; molonlabe; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
This is the sort of thing that used to be taught in American High Schools.
1 posted on 06/14/2012 9:13:31 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

***He effected the disarmament of the people in the following manner.****

I just mentioned this in another post before you posted this!

Great minds think alike! Wish I knew where I lost mine.

2 posted on 06/14/2012 9:29:23 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It is not a coincidence. Your post prompted me to post this article.

3 posted on 06/14/2012 9:34:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
The country most in harmony with Plato's theory of government is modern Singapore

I've read and studied the Republic while working on my undergraduate degree in Classics and Classical Civilation. The Republic describes a highly regimented, totalitarian state, not a free state. We know where these utopian ideals lead: hell on earth.

Democracy is a governmental form which is much touted as well. The USA is NOT a democracy. Our founders endeavored long and hard to avoid giving us a democracy. All democracies fail when the people discover they can vote themselves money from the treasury. Then, thanks to economic malfeasance, it devolves into anarchy, which gives way to oligarchy (kings and their allies).

People praise Plato, but they seldom read Plato.

Socrates points out the human tendency to be corrupted by power leads down the road to timocracy, oligarchy, democracy and tyranny. From this, he concludes that ruling should be left to philosophers, who are the most just and therefore least susceptible to corruption. This "good city" is depicted as being governed by philosopher-kings; disinterested persons who rule not for their personal enjoyment but for the good of the city-state (polis). Wikipedia on The Republic

Sounds like the communist party promised to be a temporary arrangement until the system begins to function as intended. It never does.

Our approach when we are asked to place our confidence in men: Where be these angels, these philosopher kings?

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

The Founders (even Jefferson) where steeped in all the classics, principally the Bible. The pre-kings republic of the children of Israel functioning under the law, where everyman is a "priest" (not just the Levites who existed to perform sacrifices, offerings, washings, etc) is a BETTER model. Congregational, not episcopal or Catholic or philospher kings. No king, but king Jesus.

But now we have the very thing our Founders loathed thanks to men everywhere who have foresworn their oathes and harken to a different political philosophy, Plato's.

4 posted on 06/14/2012 9:45:00 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: marktwain
Thucydides (6.58) has Hippias disarming the Athenians by a trick just after his brother Hipparchus had been assassinated so possibly Aristotle is wrong to say that the Athenians had been disarmed already earlier by their father Pisistratus.

Polyaenus has a version similar to Aristotle's about Pisistratus disarming the Athenians, so the Founding Fathers could have been aware of the story even though the Athenian Constitution was not rediscovered until later.

5 posted on 06/14/2012 9:55:18 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
The events involving the Thirty Tyrants and Theramenes are described more fully by Xenophon in his History of Greece, Book 2 (the Penguin translation is called A History of My Times); the earlier events in 411 are described by Thucydides in Book 8.
6 posted on 06/14/2012 10:00:16 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the essay.

I graduated from high school a long time ago but read voraciously, particularly world history. I never had much interest in what happened in Greek history of the Classical Period, so my knowledge of Aristotle and Plato is very, very thin. You’ve done a great job of introducing the subject.

7 posted on 06/14/2012 10:14:09 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: marktwain
Aristotle may be a distant ancestor of the 2A, but Patrick Henry and his VA anti-federals were the parents.
8 posted on 06/14/2012 10:22:24 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Good stuff.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

9 posted on 06/14/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: nonsporting

You Sound like an early LUTHER or Calvin.

10 posted on 06/14/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Little Bill
You Sound like an early LUTHER or Calvin.

Really? I am neither a Catholic and nor Calvinist. I have read the classics and the writings of and about the Founders.

15+ years ago I read M. Stanton Evans "The Theme is Freedom", which made me reevaluate many of the liberal history lessons I had been taught.

[From Booklist] Like the generally liberal historian Page Smith in Rediscovering Christianity , Evans shows that the roots of U.S. liberties lie in the Christian understanding of the Bible. He uses a rather different set of authorities--namely, our political founding fathers and their English forebears more than the clerics (Luther, Calvin, etc.), whom Smith preferred to cite (both men appeal crucially to St. Augustine, though). His aims in reestablishing that the U.S. is definitely a Christian nation differ from Smith's. Smith stressed the disjunction of Christian principles and the spirit of capitalism, whereas Evans strives to convince us "that religious belief and its associated values are conceptually indispensable to a regime of freedom." So doing, Evans also argues that modern political liberalism undermines freedom as it undermines religion, and here he sometimes comes a cropper, as when he views the gay lifestyle as a pagan resurgence that is antilibertarian. But most of the book is splendidly argued and intensely interesting, especially to modern conservatives and also to liberals who like to have their assumptions challenged. --Ray Olson

Olson is accurate to a point, but Evans is "spot on" (not a "cropper") about the dangers of the sodomite resurgence to liberty.

11 posted on 06/14/2012 11:05:10 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: marktwain
A wonderful treatment of this aspect of Plato's thought is found in Karl Popper's The Open Society And Its Enemies. It should be remembered that Athenian "democracy" offered voting rights only to soldiers, at least up through the Peloponnesian War; hence disarming the populace meant something much more direct than a similar activity might today, although with precisely the same purpose in mind. Socrates was such a soldier; his student Plato was not. I'm not sure that is contributory to Plato's attitude toward an armed population but I suspect it might be.

What definitely was contributory was the chaos within government that Plato saw prior to Athens losing the Peloponnesian War and just afterward. From Pericles to The Thirty Tyrants - Socrates was involved in the negotiations to a degree that remains unclear - to the overthrow of the Thirty; one might understand a preference for an ideal more ordered society in anyone who lived through that.

But the key to understanding Platonic philosophy is that much of what Plato describes reflects an ideal world of which our own is only an imperfect reflection. That certainly is true of The Republic - if the reader suspects that Plato himself wouldn't have been very comfortable in a real version of that ideal society it is probably for that reason. Plato felt his Philosopher-King should be configured in that order of importance; Aristotle's observation was that the reverse was more true in the real world, especially when he was charged with turning the young Alexander into precisely that. He didn't do so terribly bad with Alexander, all things considered, but then he had pretty good material to work with.

12 posted on 06/14/2012 2:05:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

In high school, I didn’t really care about philosophy in English class, or English class in general. My interests lied in gym and science, as well my high school student organization.

13 posted on 06/14/2012 4:06:27 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: nonsporting
Democracy is a governmental form which is much touted as well. The USA is NOT a democracy. Our founders endeavored long and hard to avoid giving us a democracy. All democracies fail when the people discover they can vote themselves money from the treasury.

We were a republic at the country's founding; we're democracy now and have been for some time.

14 posted on 06/14/2012 4:09:52 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: wastedyears
We were a republic at the country's founding; we're democracy now and have been for some time.

When was the Constitution repealed?

15 posted on 06/14/2012 4:27:32 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

You know who our current president is and his thoughts on the Constitution.

16 posted on 06/15/2012 10:55:23 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: marktwain
This is the sort of thing that used to be taught in American High Schools.

They left out the part about the Greek Civil War of 1946-1949. ο Eμφύλιος

17 posted on 06/15/2012 1:57:56 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain; Pharmboy; Perdogg; cripplecreek

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks marktwain.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

18 posted on 06/17/2012 8:09:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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