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Treaty Negotiated In Secret Hidden Even from Congressmen Who Oversee Treaties...
Zero Hedge ^ | 06/14/2012 | George Washington

Posted on 06/14/2012 7:25:28 PM PDT by Errant

The normally-reserved Yves Smith asks whether Obama should be impeached over it.

Democratic Senator Wyden – the head of the committee which is supposed to oversee it – is so furious about the lack of access that he has introduced legislation to force disclosure.

Republican House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa is so upset by it that he has leaked a document on his website to show what’s going on.

What is everyone so furious about?

An international treaty being negotiated in secret which would not only crack down on Internet privacy much more than SOPA or ACTA, but would actually destroy the sovereignty of the U.S. and all other signatories.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
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To: rawhide

If this is advertised then I suspect it will be implemented without any input from Congress, an Executive Agreement, as it were. Soon we will possibly have a similar momen twhen the USSC announces its Obamacare overturn. Either the kenyan will paraphrase President Jackson-”Justice Marahall has made his decision, now let him enforce it,” or he will simply ignore the court and begin to implement and enforce Obamacare contra the Court.


21 posted on 06/14/2012 8:20:51 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: rawhide

“Now does Congress have the balls to stand up to the president and his comrades?”

Uh, the answer would be NO. They wouldn’t want to be perceived as racist, would they?


22 posted on 06/14/2012 8:21:56 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Tzimisce

The quoted Prof. Peter Dale Scott is a leftwing wacko. Very anti-internal security and was a supporter of the old Communist Party USA front, the National Committee to Abolish HUAC/HISC, among other groups.

I wonder why he is upset about this issue? Hmm, something is rotten and it’s not in Denmark.


23 posted on 06/14/2012 8:27:44 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Errant; TheOldLady; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; ...
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Treaty Negotiated In Secret – Hidden Even from Congressmen Who Oversee Treaties

24 posted on 06/14/2012 8:34:51 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Errant

Maybe some of the democrats who support Hillary want to help Berry lose in November. If Berry stays another four years he will make it impossible for a democrat to win in 2016. I only hope they bring down the entire party with their infighting.


25 posted on 06/14/2012 8:48:51 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Doogle

I believe only the Senate can vote to impeach a president.

Since Issa is a member of the House of Representatives, he has no ability to commence impeachment.

And since the Senate is controlled by democrats, there is no chance they will impeach Obummer.


26 posted on 06/14/2012 8:50:26 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Since Issa is a member of the House of Representatives, he has no ability to commence impeachment.

The House is responsible for bringing articles of impeachment -- for any federal officer. Essentially, they serve as a grand jury.

The Senate is then responsible for convicting the federal officer. They act as a trial jury.

27 posted on 06/14/2012 8:57:00 PM PDT by okie01
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I guess that you missed that event when the House of Representatives IMPEACHED President Clinton just a few years ago? My how time flies...

The Senate holds the TRIAL after a President is IMPEACHED by the House, where Clinton was found ‘NOT Guilty’. In fact, the Senate can not hold a trial until a President has been IMPEACHED by the House of Representatives.

Glad to help you out with your mis-understanding...

dvwjr


28 posted on 06/14/2012 9:00:04 PM PDT by dvwjr (Gallup)
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To: Yo-Yo

“and they won’t ratify what they can’t read.”

Well, they did something like that before...but I don’t think they will fall for it again.


29 posted on 06/14/2012 9:03:49 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
[Holy cow. From the libtard comments on the site......they are pi$$ed!]

The unions will hate it because they won't be able to organize the workers in these industries and management can pay the lowest wages the market will bear.

The tree huggers will see the treaty leading to the proliferation of unregulated heavy(smokestack)industry.

Trial lawyers won't have any jurisdiction to file suits against these entities.

30 posted on 06/14/2012 9:16:06 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: dvwjr

I stand corrected.

In my defense, I admit to trying to forget the Clinton years as much as possible.

Seeing as how Boehner and his buds in the House have no backbone, I can’t see impeachment gaining any traction in the House, even though Obama deserves it for so many reasons.


31 posted on 06/14/2012 9:18:23 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: okie01

Thank-you for posting.

I just wish there were more House members with an “R” after their names who had some backbone.


32 posted on 06/14/2012 9:23:28 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: Salvation

Oregon PING


33 posted on 06/14/2012 9:27:12 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Inyo-Mono

“It just goes on and on.”

Ad nauseum! Just when you think the most dastardly of things has occurred, there’s tomorrow’s.

November, faster please.


34 posted on 06/14/2012 9:31:31 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

“I believe only the Senate can vote to impeach a president.”

That is not correct — the House votes to impeach, the resulting trial is held by the Senate. So he could be impeached, but not convicted.


35 posted on 06/14/2012 9:36:49 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Yo-Yo

You are being naive...”they won’t ratify what they can’t read.” Are you serious?

You seem to have forgotten...”You’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it.”

They don’t have to read squat, to pass anything....


36 posted on 06/14/2012 9:52:26 PM PDT by Herodes
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To: rawhide
This is illegal for sure.

You could use a little education. Allow me to quote from the linked article:

Accurate and comprehensive knowledge of foreign politics; a steady and systematic adherence to the same views; a nice and uniform sensibility to national character; decision, secrecy [emphasis in the original!!! -ED], and despatch [sic], are incompatible with the genius of a body so variable and so numerous.[snip]

The person quoted was Alexander Hamilton discussing the negotiation of treaties in Federalist 75 and the necessity of keeping the House of Representatives out of the loop in the process of negotiation.

37 posted on 06/14/2012 10:19:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Yo-Yo
The U.S. Senate still have to ratify any treaty with a 2/3 majority vote.

Wrongo! Article 2, section 2, clause 2 specifies that a treaty is ratified "provided two thirds of Senators present concur." That means 34 is the legal minimum for ratification with a bare quorum, but then treaties have been ratified with no record of a quorum or committee vote.

Might I suggest a little light reading on the topic?

38 posted on 06/14/2012 10:24:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Errant

Placemark.


39 posted on 06/14/2012 10:43:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Carry_Okie

Things have changed since then. Congress has the oversight responsibilty of these treaties taking place. So therefore obamma and his comrades are refusing oversight from taking place as the law allows to happen.

Funny thing is that obamma has to get this treaty that he negoitated in secret, approved by the Senate, which at this time probably will not happen now. Yea!


40 posted on 06/14/2012 10:52:14 PM PDT by rawhide
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