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Thanks Obamacare: 83% of Doctors Surveyed Say They May Quit
Townhall ^ | 06/15/2012 | Kate Hicks

Posted on 06/15/2012 6:38:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Doctor Patient Medical Association has released a new survey of about 700 doctors, and the results are bleak. Scary bleak. Among other dismal figures, Doctors' Attitudes on the Future of Medicine: What’s Wrong, Who’s to Blame, and What Will Fix It found that 83% of respondents are contemplating leaving the industry if Obamacare is fully implemented, owing to its disastrous projected consequences. Indeed, they openly blame the healthcare law for their industry's woes:

KEY FINDINGS

If this isn't an airtight argument for the repeal of Obamacare, nothing is. When the people providing the actual healthcare are thinking of getting out of the game, the system is clearly broken. Here's hoping the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare this month.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doctors; healthcare; obamacare
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1 posted on 06/15/2012 6:39:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My Family Doctor already told us she will quit.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 6:42:43 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: SeekAndFind

Ve vill replace them vith dahk tores who vant to be part of the grand vision!


3 posted on 06/15/2012 6:42:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

My dad’s cardiologist & one of his partners told us they will quit. Years of experience down the drain ......


4 posted on 06/15/2012 6:45:25 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: MrB

Abortionists?


5 posted on 06/15/2012 6:47:45 AM PDT by goldi
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To: SeekAndFind

I did quit.


6 posted on 06/15/2012 6:50:57 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Going into debt is taking the canoe out with the tide and coming back against it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
83% say they are thinking about QUITTING

Yeah..when they are at retirement age. What are they going to do if they quit now? Go out and sell cars?

Still a waiting list for med schools.

Don't get me wrong I don't like obamacare in the least but the doctors are the worst bitch and moan complainers in the world.

7 posted on 06/15/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: SeekAndFind
Not enough people ask the key question: Obama wanted to improve access to health care -- what did he do to achieve that??

He's done nothing -- in fact, made it worse. Improving access to health care would invovle things like: training for nurses, training for general practioners, training for specialists, building clinics in areas which are currently under-served. ObamaCare doesn't do any of that!

ObamaCare fiddles with bureaucratic forms, tweaks laws dealing with the insurance industry, and puts overseers behind desks.

There is no improvement in access to health care -- and the bureaucratic nightmares drives good people out of the industry, which results in LOWER access to health care.

But I guess the "experts" don't see much reason to talk about this.

8 posted on 06/15/2012 6:53:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: SeekAndFind
2 out of 3 say they are JUST SQUEAKING BY OR IN THE RED financially

Sure.

9 posted on 06/15/2012 6:55:36 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They may quit in the US, but they will open up in Mexico, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Virgin Islands, Belize, El Salvador, Guatamala, and other places that actually know how to run a government............


10 posted on 06/15/2012 6:56:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Drango

I know right? They make on average 200,000, surgeons close to 400,000. They ain’t going anywhere..


11 posted on 06/15/2012 6:57:45 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: ClearCase_guy
He's done nothing -- in fact, made it worse. Improving access to health care would invovle things like: training for nurses, training for general practioners, training for specialists, building clinics in areas which are currently under-served. ObamaCare doesn't do any of that!

And he/gov't shouldn't!!! The private HC system should be doing that..but they won't for various reasons.

The med schools keep enrollment low for a reason.......more docs and their pay goes south.

12 posted on 06/15/2012 6:58:13 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: trailhkr1

I’m with you.

Let’s get with those who want to serve, not those who seek only to make a gob of money.

Money’s fine, but medicine (long long ago) stopped being primarily about medicine, and started being about degrees.

Imho.


13 posted on 06/15/2012 6:59:47 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: SeekAndFind

That was part of the plan!

The government wants to take over the health industry just like they want to take over every aspect of our lives.

Everything the government has tried has failed...but ‘some people’ do get richer before bankruptcy and those ‘same companies’ donate to left. Go figure.

Let the private industry do what it does best and keep the government out of our ‘everything’.


14 posted on 06/15/2012 7:00:26 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: trailhkr1
And he/gov't shouldn't!!!

I don't disagree. But usually, the act of "doing nothing" comes pretty cheap. Obama will spend trillions of dollars and he will do nothing. I have a problem with that. I'd like him to do nothing a little more cheaply.

15 posted on 06/15/2012 7:01:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DH and I will quit. Neither of us want to finish our career working for the government


16 posted on 06/15/2012 7:01:38 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: SeekAndFind
Even scarier is this indepth analysis of Obamacare's Death Panel (The Independent Payment Advisory Board)
17 posted on 06/15/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: goseminoles
They make on average 200,000, surgeons close to 400,000

Is that before or after they pay their malpractice insurance?

This article from 2005 states that the average cost of malpractice insurance was from around $60k to $145k depending on the specialty and the state.

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/health/hospitals-2005-malpractice-insurance-affecting-our-doctors/
18 posted on 06/15/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Mom MD

It will be real interesting to see how people react when they discover that they have no further reason to live...interesting times ahead...interesting times.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 7:03:26 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DH and I will quit. Neither of us want to finish our career working for the government


20 posted on 06/15/2012 7:03:26 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: goldi

and “euthenists” as well.

Can’t have scarce resources being allocated to the “non-productive” now, can we?


21 posted on 06/15/2012 7:03:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

——.but ‘some people’ do get richer before bankruptcy and those ‘same companies’ donate to left. Go figure.——

Keynesian in-the-long-run-we’re-all-dead-so-get-yours-now thinking.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 7:04:27 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: goseminoles

Are you talking net or gross?
Even if it is net, not very much for the amount of work it takes to earn an MD.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 7:06:33 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: trailhkr1

I will open a quilt shop and my husband may go into computer work. We will not make the income we make now but will keep our integrity intact. You might want to think about that broad brush you are using. Most docs are intelligent motivated people who can do more than one thing.


24 posted on 06/15/2012 7:06:35 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Let’s get with those who want to serve, not those who seek only to make a gob of money.”

Medical School costs upward of $150,000 and 6-8+ years to complete. I would say that the doctors are correct in desiring a high amount of money due to the opportunity costs (and monetary) of attending Med School.

What other incentive is there for the majority of people besides money? Yes some love the profession but the money is a prime motivating factor for spending all that time and money in school. You take away that incentive and you will have reduced Med School enrollment and lower quality doctors.

“Money’s fine, but medicine (long long ago) stopped being primarily about medicine, and started being about degrees.”

What other mechanism do we have to ensure that we have doctors who know what the heck they are doing? What mechanism would you suggest?


25 posted on 06/15/2012 7:08:53 AM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: chrisser
Is that before or after they pay their malpractice insurance?

After... My GF is a CRNA nurse anesthetist..makes $130-140k year take home pay depending on how many hours she works..Usually works 3 days and has 4 off but sometimes works 4 days...Nice!!!

The doctor anesthetist are at approx $300-400k take home pay.

26 posted on 06/15/2012 7:09:00 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: trailhkr1

There are other options, but for the majority of Doc’s you are probably right.


27 posted on 06/15/2012 7:09:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Black_Shark

I think we should allow a few more MD’s.

More competition.

Competition is good.


28 posted on 06/15/2012 7:12:45 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: trailhkr1
Still a waiting list for med schools.

Plenty of fools under thirty still living in denial...LOLOL! Good luck, suckers.

29 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:02 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Agreed but how do we increase the supply of MD’s without reducing standards? It seems to be a catch-22 here.


30 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:21 AM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: chrisser

——Is that before or after they pay their malpractice insurance?——

My pediatrician SIL in Pittsburgh retired early. At the time her gross pay was $60k after malpractice insurance was deducted. I don’t know if this was before or after taxes. I didn’t ask. I was too shocked. She was an Ivy League grad.


31 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: goseminoles

While I make a good living I have only once reached 200k in the last few years. DH and I pay 6 figures in federal tax alone. We get no help with college etc. (not that I want it). To make that amount I work 14 hour days. I work nights weekends and holidays. It’s not the cakewalk you imagine. My income is being cut yearly. Some of my friends are down 40% in income over the past few years

Most of us have undergrad degrees in other areas (DH in chemical engineering). While I might not make as much doing something else, the change in lifestyle and decreased tax burden would be enticing. Plus there would not be the worry that everyone I see during the day could sue me and cause years of lawyers and misery. Don’t be so sure that Obamacare
Won’t be the straw that breaks the camels back. Most of us are looking for an exit strategy anyway


32 posted on 06/15/2012 7:14:29 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mom MD

Staggering figures, and while I’m appreciative of everyone’s opinion re: doctor’s income, I would like to hear from doctors of all specialties just how O’care and government meddling will impact their ability to give excellent care to their patients. Mom MD?


33 posted on 06/15/2012 7:15:07 AM PDT by ibytoohi (What the hell has happened to my country?)
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To: Mom MD
I will open a quilt shop and my husband may go into computer work

Good for you but I bet you have a lot more money in your pension plan than the average American and you can go that route. What is your age btw??

The doctors who work for the hospital my GF works at are making $50-60K per year in their pension plan paid by the hospitals alone besides their take home pay.

No, I am not envious but many docs are making more in their pension plan put in by the hospitals that what the average Americans are earning income wise.

Again, many doctors I know are the worst bitch and moan complainers...everyone else has had to suck it up and pull in their belts..doctors should be no different.

34 posted on 06/15/2012 7:16:22 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: chrisser

I do med mal insurance. Some high-risk surgeons could pay for a nice house with their QUARTERLY premiums.

I have seen physicians come in the office with a law suit for something they had nothing to do with, it was a risk of that particular illness/surgery and weep from the stress of it all.

They play a very high risk game, give up many many years of their lives to get their education, many more years working long, thankless hours. I have great respect for these physicians. A huge majority really do care about their patients.

Yes, many have personality issues, but most are very competent and very dedicated. It is not an easy life.


35 posted on 06/15/2012 7:16:45 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Mom MD
Most docs are intelligent motivated people who can do more than one thing.

Thinking outside the box? You stop that...you stop that right now! :-)

36 posted on 06/15/2012 7:17:01 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those reeducation camps are merely awaiting the stroke of the Dictator’s Pen. Everything is in place for the Administration to nationalize the entire healthcare industry and render the whole idea of independent physicians or treatment for the Cabal’s enemies a thing of the past.

DEA License to prescribe and dispense supersedes state licensing. ICD-10, names every condition and treatment all it requires is for the panel to cross-match it with the “permitted” diagnoses and treatments and fee schedule.


37 posted on 06/15/2012 7:18:41 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: trailhkr1
No, I am not envious but many docs are making more in their pension plan put in by the hospitals that what the average Americans are earning income wise.

LOLOL! Cat's out of the bag...socialist much?

38 posted on 06/15/2012 7:22:09 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Mom MD

Hey .. I get it. I have an MBA in healthcare administration. But no doctors are starving. And it is hard work. Drs have to be on their toes 24/7. I appreciate the work you do. You’ve earned it!!


39 posted on 06/15/2012 7:23:33 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: who knows what evil?
LOLOL! Cat's out of the bag...socialist much?

No, just spent too much time around docs...I'll believe it when I see it. (the docs retiring early)

40 posted on 06/15/2012 7:24:18 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hey, no problem.

There are plenty of doctors from 3rd World sh!t holes who would be glad to come here and work here for cheap. Think of the money we'll save as we all benefit from our free universal health care!

Me? I just hope I get assigned one who speaks English and isn't a Jihadi...

41 posted on 06/15/2012 7:24:43 AM PDT by Gritty (Cultures in retreat quickly run out of places to retreat to - Mark Steyn)
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To: Drango

Excuse me, but you don’t know what you are talking about. My son is a trauma surgeon and his fiancee is an O.B. To get where he is today he got a B.S in Electrical Engineering from Purdue (4 years), a medical degree from Indiana University (4 years), a surgical residency (5 years), and a criticalcare fellowship (1 year). If you add it up, that’s 14 years. He and his fiancee have close to $300,000 in student loans between them.


42 posted on 06/15/2012 7:25:11 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: goseminoles
The average medical malpractice insurance premium is now over $150,000 for obstetricians and neurosurgeons. That doesn't include office rent and overhead such as nurses, receptionist, insurance billing, etc. They don't’ take home anywhere near what you think they do. It is certainly not $200,000 - $400,000 dollars.
43 posted on 06/15/2012 7:25:50 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mom MD
DH and I will quit. Neither of us want to finish our career working for the government

Serious question, that was raised up thread: What will you do for a living then?

Would you go into teaching or something else in the medical field, or just retire outright?

I am not being nosy or cantankerous, just curious.

44 posted on 06/15/2012 7:26:22 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: trailhkr1

I’m 50. I have no pension plan. I have a reasonable amount in my 401k but likely less than professionals in other fields. I cannot put more in 4 a while as hubby and I are putting the kids through college

I work as a hospitalist. I have no sick time vacation time or paid time off. When I work I get paid, when I don’t I get nothing. Medicare cuts reimbursement more every year. If you look at income compared to work, doc pay has been going down yearly and will cont to do so. We are not living the life of leisure most people think. The last 2 days I have worked 30 hours. My gross pay if computed hourly over that time is 60/hour. After tax it’s 30/hr. Not bad for 7 years of post grad education and 25 years experience..../s


45 posted on 06/15/2012 7:29:45 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: goseminoles

Funny. A church in our area just sent three of them to work in a mission clinic in Asia.

I guess if money is your goal, you could argue that asia isn’t anywhere.


46 posted on 06/15/2012 7:30:43 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrB

“Out with the old doctors. In with the new.” - Stalin :The Doctors Plot


47 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:21 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: goseminoles

Thanks! People forget the hard work and years of training part. You are not in an easy field either


48 posted on 06/15/2012 7:31:45 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mom MD

Ma’am; you don’t owe these socialists wannabees any explanation.


49 posted on 06/15/2012 7:35:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: verga

See # 24. Also DH has a degree in chemical engineering so he could look for something in that arena. Most likely he would continue the work he is currently doing on medical software, just make it full time instead of a hobby. I would most likely open a quilt shop and teach quilting We would use our medical skills on medical missions.


50 posted on 06/15/2012 7:37:14 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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