Skip to comments.Thanks Obamacare: 83% of Doctors Surveyed Say They May Quit
Posted on 06/15/2012 6:38:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The Doctor Patient Medical Association has released a new survey of about 700 doctors, and the results are bleak. Scary bleak. Among other dismal figures, Doctors' Attitudes on the Future of Medicine: What’s Wrong, Who’s to Blame, and What Will Fix It found that 83% of respondents are contemplating leaving the industry if Obamacare is fully implemented, owing to its disastrous projected consequences. Indeed, they openly blame the healthcare law for their industry's woes:
- 90% say the medical system is on the WRONG TRACK
- 83% say they are thinking about QUITTING
- 61% say the system challenges their ETHICS
- 85% say the patient-physician relationship is in a TAILSPIN
- 65% say GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT is most to blame for current problems
- 72% say individual insurance mandate will NOT result in improved access care
- 49% say they will STOP accepting Medicaid patients
- 74% say they will STOP ACCEPTING Medicare patients, or leave Medicare completely
- 52% say they would rather treat some Medicaid/Medicare patient for FREE
- 57% give the AMA a FAILING GRADE representing them
- 1 out of 3 doctors is HESITANT to voice their opinion
- 2 out of 3 say they are JUST SQUEAKING BY OR IN THE RED financially
- 95% say private practice is losing out to CORPORATE MEDICINE
- 80% say DOCTORS/MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS are most likely to help solve things
- 70% say REDUCING GOVERNMENT would be single best fix.
If this isn't an airtight argument for the repeal of Obamacare, nothing is. When the people providing the actual healthcare are thinking of getting out of the game, the system is clearly broken. Here's hoping the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare this month.
My Family Doctor already told us she will quit.
Ve vill replace them vith dahk tores who vant to be part of the grand vision!
My dad’s cardiologist & one of his partners told us they will quit. Years of experience down the drain ......
I did quit.
Yeah..when they are at retirement age. What are they going to do if they quit now? Go out and sell cars?
Still a waiting list for med schools.
Don't get me wrong I don't like obamacare in the least but the doctors are the worst bitch and moan complainers in the world.
He's done nothing -- in fact, made it worse. Improving access to health care would invovle things like: training for nurses, training for general practioners, training for specialists, building clinics in areas which are currently under-served. ObamaCare doesn't do any of that!
ObamaCare fiddles with bureaucratic forms, tweaks laws dealing with the insurance industry, and puts overseers behind desks.
There is no improvement in access to health care -- and the bureaucratic nightmares drives good people out of the industry, which results in LOWER access to health care.
But I guess the "experts" don't see much reason to talk about this.
They may quit in the US, but they will open up in Mexico, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Virgin Islands, Belize, El Salvador, Guatamala, and other places that actually know how to run a government............
I know right? They make on average 200,000, surgeons close to 400,000. They ain’t going anywhere..
And he/gov't shouldn't!!! The private HC system should be doing that..but they won't for various reasons.
The med schools keep enrollment low for a reason.......more docs and their pay goes south.
I’m with you.
Let’s get with those who want to serve, not those who seek only to make a gob of money.
Money’s fine, but medicine (long long ago) stopped being primarily about medicine, and started being about degrees.
That was part of the plan!
The government wants to take over the health industry just like they want to take over every aspect of our lives.
Everything the government has tried has failed...but ‘some people’ do get richer before bankruptcy and those ‘same companies’ donate to left. Go figure.
Let the private industry do what it does best and keep the government out of our ‘everything’.
I don't disagree. But usually, the act of "doing nothing" comes pretty cheap. Obama will spend trillions of dollars and he will do nothing. I have a problem with that. I'd like him to do nothing a little more cheaply.
DH and I will quit. Neither of us want to finish our career working for the government
It will be real interesting to see how people react when they discover that they have no further reason to live...interesting times ahead...interesting times.
DH and I will quit. Neither of us want to finish our career working for the government
and “euthenists” as well.
Can’t have scarce resources being allocated to the “non-productive” now, can we?
——.but some people do get richer before bankruptcy and those same companies donate to left. Go figure.——
Keynesian in-the-long-run-we’re-all-dead-so-get-yours-now thinking.
Are you talking net or gross?
Even if it is net, not very much for the amount of work it takes to earn an MD.
I will open a quilt shop and my husband may go into computer work. We will not make the income we make now but will keep our integrity intact. You might want to think about that broad brush you are using. Most docs are intelligent motivated people who can do more than one thing.
“Lets get with those who want to serve, not those who seek only to make a gob of money.”
Medical School costs upward of $150,000 and 6-8+ years to complete. I would say that the doctors are correct in desiring a high amount of money due to the opportunity costs (and monetary) of attending Med School.
What other incentive is there for the majority of people besides money? Yes some love the profession but the money is a prime motivating factor for spending all that time and money in school. You take away that incentive and you will have reduced Med School enrollment and lower quality doctors.
“Moneys fine, but medicine (long long ago) stopped being primarily about medicine, and started being about degrees.”
What other mechanism do we have to ensure that we have doctors who know what the heck they are doing? What mechanism would you suggest?
After... My GF is a CRNA nurse anesthetist..makes $130-140k year take home pay depending on how many hours she works..Usually works 3 days and has 4 off but sometimes works 4 days...Nice!!!
The doctor anesthetist are at approx $300-400k take home pay.
There are other options, but for the majority of Doc’s you are probably right.
I think we should allow a few more MD’s.
Competition is good.
Plenty of fools under thirty still living in denial...LOLOL! Good luck, suckers.
Agreed but how do we increase the supply of MD’s without reducing standards? It seems to be a catch-22 here.
——Is that before or after they pay their malpractice insurance?——
My pediatrician SIL in Pittsburgh retired early. At the time her gross pay was $60k after malpractice insurance was deducted. I don’t know if this was before or after taxes. I didn’t ask. I was too shocked. She was an Ivy League grad.
While I make a good living I have only once reached 200k in the last few years. DH and I pay 6 figures in federal tax alone. We get no help with college etc. (not that I want it). To make that amount I work 14 hour days. I work nights weekends and holidays. It’s not the cakewalk you imagine. My income is being cut yearly. Some of my friends are down 40% in income over the past few years
Most of us have undergrad degrees in other areas (DH in chemical engineering). While I might not make as much doing something else, the change in lifestyle and decreased tax burden would be enticing. Plus there would not be the worry that everyone I see during the day could sue me and cause years of lawyers and misery. Don’t be so sure that Obamacare
Won’t be the straw that breaks the camels back. Most of us are looking for an exit strategy anyway
Staggering figures, and while I’m appreciative of everyone’s opinion re: doctor’s income, I would like to hear from doctors of all specialties just how O’care and government meddling will impact their ability to give excellent care to their patients. Mom MD?
Good for you but I bet you have a lot more money in your pension plan than the average American and you can go that route. What is your age btw??
The doctors who work for the hospital my GF works at are making $50-60K per year in their pension plan paid by the hospitals alone besides their take home pay.
No, I am not envious but many docs are making more in their pension plan put in by the hospitals that what the average Americans are earning income wise.
Again, many doctors I know are the worst bitch and moan complainers...everyone else has had to suck it up and pull in their belts..doctors should be no different.
I do med mal insurance. Some high-risk surgeons could pay for a nice house with their QUARTERLY premiums.
I have seen physicians come in the office with a law suit for something they had nothing to do with, it was a risk of that particular illness/surgery and weep from the stress of it all.
They play a very high risk game, give up many many years of their lives to get their education, many more years working long, thankless hours. I have great respect for these physicians. A huge majority really do care about their patients.
Yes, many have personality issues, but most are very competent and very dedicated. It is not an easy life.
Thinking outside the box? You stop that...you stop that right now! :-)
Those reeducation camps are merely awaiting the stroke of the Dictator’s Pen. Everything is in place for the Administration to nationalize the entire healthcare industry and render the whole idea of independent physicians or treatment for the Cabal’s enemies a thing of the past.
DEA License to prescribe and dispense supersedes state licensing. ICD-10, names every condition and treatment all it requires is for the panel to cross-match it with the “permitted” diagnoses and treatments and fee schedule.
LOLOL! Cat's out of the bag...socialist much?
Hey .. I get it. I have an MBA in healthcare administration. But no doctors are starving. And it is hard work. Drs have to be on their toes 24/7. I appreciate the work you do. You’ve earned it!!
No, just spent too much time around docs...I'll believe it when I see it. (the docs retiring early)
There are plenty of doctors from 3rd World sh!t holes who would be glad to come here and work here for cheap. Think of the money we'll save as we all benefit from our free universal health care!
Me? I just hope I get assigned one who speaks English and isn't a Jihadi...
Excuse me, but you don’t know what you are talking about. My son is a trauma surgeon and his fiancee is an O.B. To get where he is today he got a B.S in Electrical Engineering from Purdue (4 years), a medical degree from Indiana University (4 years), a surgical residency (5 years), and a criticalcare fellowship (1 year). If you add it up, that’s 14 years. He and his fiancee have close to $300,000 in student loans between them.
Serious question, that was raised up thread: What will you do for a living then?
Would you go into teaching or something else in the medical field, or just retire outright?
I am not being nosy or cantankerous, just curious.
I’m 50. I have no pension plan. I have a reasonable amount in my 401k but likely less than professionals in other fields. I cannot put more in 4 a while as hubby and I are putting the kids through college
I work as a hospitalist. I have no sick time vacation time or paid time off. When I work I get paid, when I don’t I get nothing. Medicare cuts reimbursement more every year. If you look at income compared to work, doc pay has been going down yearly and will cont to do so. We are not living the life of leisure most people think. The last 2 days I have worked 30 hours. My gross pay if computed hourly over that time is 60/hour. After tax it’s 30/hr. Not bad for 7 years of post grad education and 25 years experience..../s
Funny. A church in our area just sent three of them to work in a mission clinic in Asia.
I guess if money is your goal, you could argue that asia isn’t anywhere.
“Out with the old doctors. In with the new.” - Stalin :The Doctors Plot
Thanks! People forget the hard work and years of training part. You are not in an easy field either
Ma’am; you don’t owe these socialists wannabees any explanation.
See # 24. Also DH has a degree in chemical engineering so he could look for something in that arena. Most likely he would continue the work he is currently doing on medical software, just make it full time instead of a hobby. I would most likely open a quilt shop and teach quilting We would use our medical skills on medical missions.
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