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Anorexic Medical Student Should Be Fed Against Her Will, Judge Rules
The Telegraph ^ | 15 Jun 2012

Posted on 06/15/2012 11:53:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Mr Justice Peter Jackson found that the 32-year-old, who has other chronic health conditions, ''lacked capacity'' to make a decision about life-sustaining treatment.

Sitting at the Court of Protection in London, the judge said he had to balance the preservation of life against 'personal independence.'

He said the case had ''raised for the first time in my experience the real possibility of life-sustaining treatment not being in the best interests of a person who, while lacking capacity, is fully aware of her situation''.

Giving his conclusion in a judgment made public today, he said: ''The competing factors are, in my judgment, almost exactly in equilibrium, but having considered them as carefully as I am able, I find that the balance tips slowly but unmistakably in the direction of life-preserving treatment.

''In the end, the presumption in favour of the preservation of life is not displaced.''

He declared that ''it is lawful and in her best interests for her to be fed, forcibly if necessary''.

The judge ruled that ordering her to be fed was ''proportionate and necessary in order to protect her right to life''.

''Albeit gravely unwell, she is not incurable. She does not seek death, but above all she does not want to eat or to be fed.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 06/15/2012 11:53:35 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Wow... so it’s come to this. The idea of liberty is dead. This will start over there and make its way into the UN and eventually the minds of all the squishy idiot progressives in this country.

We have a right to life, and if that means that we don’t want to eat and it causes us to die, that doesn’t mean you can force us to eat. Unreal.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 11:58:50 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: nickcarraway

Did he also order some counseling? There are serious underlying problems for most eating disorders, AFAIK.


3 posted on 06/15/2012 12:02:20 PM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: nickcarraway

This will not sit well with their socialized medicne death panels.


4 posted on 06/15/2012 12:03:09 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: nickcarraway

The next step will be government intervention to stop the obese from eating so much.


5 posted on 06/15/2012 12:07:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

6 posted on 06/15/2012 12:09:29 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Mears

bfl


7 posted on 06/15/2012 12:10:07 PM PDT by Mears
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To: rarestia

I tell my husband all the time that I do not want to be kept alive on a vent or on tube feedings.....do I know have to worry that they will force me to do these things?.....btw...anorexics can also be bulemic....


8 posted on 06/15/2012 12:12:28 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

It’s a mental disorder characterized most notably by poor self-image and a distorted view of one’s body. There are myriad drugs on the market to help these people, if they so choose.

Some people just don’t want to eat. Look at some of these Indian people who claim to live 100 years eating little more than some berries and drinking fetid water from the Ganges.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: nickcarraway

Anorexia CAN be conquered!

10 posted on 06/15/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: nickcarraway

How many people “lacking capacity” are not force fed, but intentionally starved and dehydrated to death (i.e. Terri Schiavo) everyday?


11 posted on 06/15/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: cherry

Of course, you know, that means some doctor may interpret that to mean you don’t want the simplest life-saving treatment.


12 posted on 06/15/2012 12:21:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Just when you think you’ve seen every possible situation, something new pops up.


13 posted on 06/15/2012 12:24:15 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: nickcarraway

C’mon judge. Just declare her a 32-year-old fetus and the rest of the logic is easy. < /sarc >


14 posted on 06/15/2012 12:28:05 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: rarestia; cherry
There is an anorexic woman in my neighborhood who is also bulimic. She will gorge herself at parties and always carries this HUGE jug of water. I've heard so many women gripe about how she can finish off platters of appetizers!

She is very tiny, has had to have her front teeth capped, and in the summer she runs at 3pm in the heat of the day wearing long sweat pants and a sweat top, with an additional band of some sort around her waist to cause additional sweating. She looks like death in that heat.

And as probably would be expected, her children have suffered due to her complete obsession with eating.

15 posted on 06/15/2012 12:29:18 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (ABO)
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To: nickcarraway
So.... would it be then legal to starve fat people?

After all, we made it legal to starve the mentally handicapped.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 12:30:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

When anorexia/bulimia are mixed with an exercise obsession, it can be devastating. I dated a woman who was that combination AND an alcoholic on top of it. Almost like clockwork, she would put down a TON of shots, beers, mixed drinks, you name it, and she would force herself to vomit shortly thereafter.

She ran marathons, took a spinning class almost daily, and she was an exceptionally picky eater. I figured out her “secret” when we first kissed and it tasted like a vomit-flavored sour candy.


17 posted on 06/15/2012 12:34:36 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
We have a right to life

Correct.

and if that means that we don’t want to eat and it causes us to die, that doesn’t mean you can force us to eat

This is an illogical leap. You have gone from the very real right to life to the completely fictional "right to die" as if the former implies the latter.

It does not in any way.

Further, this woman is clearly mentally ill and not in command of her faculties.

18 posted on 06/15/2012 12:42:13 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: rarestia

“We have a right to life...”

We’re talking about a mental disease. She was given due process as is her right and the due process determined that the woman was unable to make proper decisions for herself due to this disease. The judge erred on the side of life.

This has nothing to do with individual liberty and everything to do with mental illness.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 12:43:25 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: rarestia
Ick! Were her teeth damaged as well? Repeated vomiting ruins teeth. And yes, good point - this neighbor is an exercise freak - to the point of exercising half the night then not being able to drag herself up in the morning to get children ready for school. Her kids basically raised themselves - and were late to school quite often.

I don't have much sympathy for this type of "illness". This woman has every advantage - a very large, beautiful home in a safe place. A husband and family and she must have one hell of a strong body to take the abuse she gives it.

20 posted on 06/15/2012 12:55:30 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (ABO)
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To: wideawake

I side with Liberty. If she’s mentally ill, then her family should commit her and let the psychological sciences figure it out.

To have a COURT say that she must be force fed is a breach of liberty and a very dangerous precedent to be setting. If a court can decide you can be force fed, what else can they decide you MUST do?


21 posted on 06/15/2012 12:59:25 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
It’s a mental disorder characterized most notably by poor self-image and a distorted view of one’s body.

Having been observing people with anorexia for much of my life, I'd say that there's more to it than that.

There are myriad drugs on the market to help these people, if they so choose.

That's BS. There is currently no drug that can cure anorexia. And anyway, the point is that they don't choose.

Look at some of these Indian people who claim to live 100 years eating little more than some berries ...

People like that are lying.

22 posted on 06/15/2012 12:59:27 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: rarestia
If she’s mentally ill, then her family should commit her and let the psychological sciences figure it out.

To have a COURT say that she must be force fed is a breach of liberty ...

So is having someone committed.

The family probably needed the court order to keep her alive. At the present time the psychological sciences don't know precisely how to fix this, although many people with it recover from the acute phase.

23 posted on 06/15/2012 1:10:24 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: rarestia
If she’s mentally ill, then her family should commit her and let the psychological sciences figure it out. . .

To have a COURT say that she must be force fed is a breach of liberty

First, how do you think a family goes about committing a 32 year old adult woman? They get a court order.

Second, the mentally ill are definitionally deprived of liberty. If you are incapable of making a rational decision, you are not enjoying what people commonly conceive of as liberty.

Third, there is a conceptual problem with claiming that the permanent destruction of one's own liberty while mentally incompetent is somehow an exercise of "liberty."

24 posted on 06/15/2012 1:17:51 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: nickcarraway
anorexia is just a loss of appetite, certain medications can cause this, anorexia nervosa /sp. is a psychiatric disorder, many eat and then purge, that is also a mental disorder....just being anorexic is temp. condition that can be caused by many things....

When I was sent to the psych floor because they were short staffed, the one's that wanted to purge had to stay in the dining room for at least a hour after a meal. You watch them like a hawk to keep them from using the bathroom...

25 posted on 06/15/2012 1:22:51 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: nickcarraway

This is clearly a case of mental illness, in which her judgment is no longer viable. Severe alcoholism creates a similar problem in that the judgment center of the brain has been so damaged that the person is incapable of good judgment for a minimum of six months after all alcohol consumption has ended. Yet they appear to be coherent.

Fortunately, there may now be drugs on the market that can break her out of her anorexic dilemma, that will allow her brain enough leeway to actually see that she has a problem. Only then can she be permitted to make a judgment about her life.

Unfortunately, by her actions, her lifespan has probably been shortened by decades, and proper nutrition cannot reverse this damage entirely.


26 posted on 06/15/2012 1:25:30 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rarestia

In every US state that I’m aware of the standard for involuntary commitment includes the phrase “a danger to oneself.”


27 posted on 06/15/2012 2:26:11 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: wideminded
That's BS. There is currently no drug that can cure anorexia. And anyway, the point is that they don't choose.

I made no mention of a cure for anorexia. I said there are myriad drugs on the market to HELP these people.

Off-label usage of drugs such as anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, and in rare cases, anti-psychotics have documented utility for people with eating disorders. There is anecdotal that pharmaceutical marijuana (i.e. Marinol) can provide relief to those who wish to stop. However, and I stress this, it has to be by their own cognition, which happens more often that some people seem to think.

28 posted on 06/15/2012 2:55:40 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: wideawake
First, how do you think a family goes about committing a 32 year old adult woman? They get a court order.

The FAMILY makes that decision, not the State.

Second, the mentally ill are definitionally deprived of liberty. If you are incapable of making a rational decision, you are not enjoying what people commonly conceive of as liberty.

I worked for 3 years as an orderly in a psychiatric inpatient facility and minored in abnormal psychology. Regardless of the person's decision making ability, it is still their RIGHT not to be forced to do anything, even if it is in their best interest. The best interest clause, if you want to call it that, can be revoked if a) the family decides to commit that person, b) that person has a moment of clarity to commit themself, or c) that person commits a crime and pleads mental insanity, at which point they are considered mentally incapacitated and sent to a mandatory psychiatric facility.

Contrary to what you might think, it IS possible to stabilize a mental disorder. I've seen it countless times and people can live normal lives provided they take their medication and go to regular psychiatric counseling.

Mental incompetence in the case of people who are cataleptic, comatose, catatonic, or otherwise incapable of facilitating even the simplest of day-to-day tasks are akin to any mentally handicapped person from birth. We are talking about a woman who voluntarily does not eat and does not wish to eat knowing full well that a lack of nutritional sustenance means certain death. She's a medical student. You cannot sit there and tell me that she doesn't know what she's doing!

29 posted on 06/15/2012 3:06:09 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

She won’t last long. Her heart will simply give out due to weakness from lack of protein.


30 posted on 06/15/2012 4:20:26 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta

I would think so too, but I first met her 8 years ago and she was already like this then. I have to admit I don’t like her at all. I did feel sorry for her until she opened her mouth and started making fun of her own children. That showed me she is so hate filled inside she has to put down others, even if in a joking way, to feel good about herself. But saying things about her children is just pathetic and cruel. So everytime I see that idiot running in the hot hot sun and humidity, all I can think of is her poor children.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 8:24:40 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (ABO)
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To: nickcarraway

She is suffering from a mental illness. I’m not sure why this made the news; people with anorexia are subjected to hospitalization and being fed against their will routinely.


32 posted on 06/16/2012 12:22:08 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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