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Romney: Obama immigration move makes long term fix harder
cnn ^ | 6-15-12 | Romney

Posted on 06/15/2012 2:02:30 PM PDT by Mozilla

"I believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered, and should be solved on a long term basis so they know what their future would be in this country," Romney said after a campaign stop in Milford, New Hampshire.

"I would like to seek legislation that deals with this issue and I happen to agree with Marco Rubio as he looked at, considered this issue, he said that this is an important matter that we have to find a long term solution," Romney said.

"I think the action that the president took today makes it more difficult to reach that long term solution because an executive order is, of course, a short term matter and can be reversed by subsequent presidents," Romney said.

In December, Romney said he would veto the DREAM Act if he were president, saying instead he would support a path to residency – not citizenship – for those who served in the military, but not other DREAM Act proposals.

Later, Romney gave a more detailed version of his stance, tell supporters at a fund-raiser in Florida Republicans needed to offer their own version of the DREAM Act.

"We're going to be able to get Hispanic voters," Mr. Romney said at the private event, which was overheard by a reporter for the Wall Street Journal. "We're going to overcome the issue of immigration."

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


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Don't say you weren't warned that Romney won't be the next Reagan or if anything he will grant amnesty like Reagan. He's bush all over again.
1 posted on 06/15/2012 2:02:41 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Despite protestations to the contrary as to what Rubio actually said or meant, the media says he agreed with Obama. And now Mitt says I agree with Rubio (without explaining what he means or how he may disagree with The One (if he does). Big win for Bambi. Totally snookered our troops (again).


2 posted on 06/15/2012 2:07:12 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Mozilla

Romney is a squishy fish.


3 posted on 06/15/2012 2:07:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Mozilla

“We’re going to be able to get Hispanic voters,” Mr. Romney said at the private event, which was overheard by a reporter for the Wall Street Journal. “We’re going to overcome the issue of immigration.”

This is a non sequitor statement, Mr. Romney; not that you care about us US citizens out here, just saying.


4 posted on 06/15/2012 2:08:39 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Mozilla; shalom aleichem; Red Steel; stanne
He's bush all over again.

Yeah. And if we HAD any Reagan's running in the primary, they maybe would've for the good of the country fallen in behind the best conservative to beat Romney.

Instead we had a bunch of small minded jerks beating each other up and letting Romney win the cakewalk.

5 posted on 06/15/2012 2:10:35 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Mozilla

What a wonderful job “our guys” are doing to hold his feet to the conservative fire...


6 posted on 06/15/2012 2:10:43 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: shalom aleichem
Despite protestations to the contrary as to what Rubio actually said or meant, the media says he agreed with Obama. And now Mitt says I agree with Rubio (without explaining what he means or how he may disagree with The One (if he does). Big win for Bambi. Totally snookered our troops (again).

That's funny. You blame the media for portraying Rubio wrong, but you blame Romney based on how he's being reported in the media.

7 posted on 06/15/2012 2:12:50 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Mozilla

Well done, Barack Obama - he set a bear trap and Romney stepped right in. Correct response is a laser focus on an unconstitutional act by the president and enforcement of immigration laws currently on the books - anything less drops his (Romney) poll numbers to a manageable number for Obama et al.

I’ll eat my hat if this presumptive republican nominee doesn’t begin to drop in the polls tout sweet.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - natch


8 posted on 06/15/2012 2:12:50 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Mozilla

None of the above.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 2:13:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Mozilla
I believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered, and should be solved on a long term basis so they know what their future would be in this country, Romney said.

Who do these idiots think they serve? 1. The citizens of the United States and their interests? 2. The citizens of other nations and their interests? And pray tell, who represents us? Honestly, you have more rights if you're not a citizen.

10 posted on 06/15/2012 2:15:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Mozilla
Is this what Romney is agreeing with Rubio on?
Rubio's plan or at least one he is talking up with NBC to be broadcast on the "Sunday Morning" show.

Marco Rubio talks immigration, Dream Act, amnesty

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Of his proposal Rubio said, "I think I've found significant support for it, both in my own party and hopefully with some Democrats, that allows us to address the issue of these kids in a humanitarian way, that allows us to recognize that what we want to do is give these kids a chance to get right what their parents got wrong, but not do it in a way that incentivizes people to do this in the future, and doesn't undermine our legacy as a nation of laws."

"Will your plan give amnesty?" asked O'Donnell.

"No, it's not an amnesty plan," Rubio replied. "The plan basically would award the kids who meet a certain criteria - they got here by a certain age, have lived here, graduated from high school, don't have a criminal record, want to go to college - they get what, in essence, is a student visa, and thereafter, a work visa.

"And after some period of time, probably 10 years, we would then allow them to access the immigration system just like any non-immigrant visa holder in the United States would. ... So they'd be no worse off than anybody else, but no better off, either. No special path. Just the same path as everyone else."

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11 posted on 06/15/2012 2:16:45 PM PDT by deport
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To: atc23

What every voter needs is an unemployed young person who is struggling to find any job..and suddenly find that they are adding foreigners to the list of his legitimate competition.
I already emailed Romney..no money for you..no Rubio for me..no amnesty ever.
Right now we have tons of illegals..young ones who graduated or are in HS..driving without license and insurance..filing fraudulent tax returns..working without a permit...and he want s to make these criminals legit?


12 posted on 06/15/2012 2:16:56 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: sam_paine
I'm not a Romney supporter in any way but this issue has to be delt with some way and rounding up children that have been living here and sending them to whatever country their parents came from won't work.

I don't see any other answer Romney can give ?

14 posted on 06/15/2012 2:17:47 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Mozilla

The sad reality is that, on this issue, we had no primary candidates (with a chance to win) who took a solid stand against illegal aliens and amnesty in its various forms. Romney took the toughest stand of all, but it seems none are immune to the irresistible desire to pander for Latino votes.

Romney will damage his campaign at this early stage if he begins to back away from his campaign stances and resorts to pandering and vote buying, a game at which Republicans have no prayer against the Dims.


15 posted on 06/15/2012 2:18:21 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Mozilla
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again...

-- Archie and Edith Bunker
Actually we could use a man like Calvin Coolidge in these perilous times:

American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration.

It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens… Those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.

16 posted on 06/15/2012 2:19:58 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Mozilla; GraceG; cripplecreek
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17 posted on 06/15/2012 2:20:26 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: sam_paine

It is ALL media - and they are the enemy. As Marshall McLuhan once said, “the medium is the message”.

Rubio and Mitt have to watch how they approach media / what they say (no room for misinterpretations and editing, and preferably buy their own ads to say it.


18 posted on 06/15/2012 2:21:48 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Red Steel

Romney is all over the place. It seems he fooled a few people like Governor Jan Brewer who endorsed Romney into thinking he was for legislation like SB1070 and enforcing immigration laws. He also just ruined his chances to unite the party by opposing Obama 100% and denouncing his measures.

Yes he is against them but only on the grounds of the executive order and that it is not a long term bi-partisan deal that is hammered out with both sides caving in and passing it in congress. As opposed to him being flat out against this measure.

Instead Rino Romney is agreeing with Marco Rubio’s Dream Act. And would not if he would reverse Obama’s order. So instead of him rallying the GOP ‘troops’ he has just demoralized them and worries about him passing his own amnesty plan have risen. Should he win.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 2:22:02 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: shalom aleichem

I disagree completely. While I don’t share the position of Rubio or Romney, this is not what Obama had hoped for in a response. It was actually very shrewd on Romney’s part. First, this is one day where Romney’s reponse will be major headlines. He did not go bombastic and flame throw, which was obama’s intent. Instead he had a measured response, agreed with an Hispanic leader of a major state on sure to be expert on the issue (and elevating a key Senator), and instead focused on the logical side that this has not been the best way to deal with the issue...in fact complicating the issue long term.

There are good solutions to the illegals issue other than mass deportation, and Romney is positioned to find it, if he so chooses.


20 posted on 06/15/2012 2:22:07 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Ingtar
What a wonderful job “our guys” are doing to hold his feet to the conservative fire...

LOL
21 posted on 06/15/2012 2:22:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: america-rules

“I don’t see any other answer Romney can give ?”

Well, I sure do.

My kid has been trying to get a job the past two years since graduating from high school. He is attending a community college, so it isn’t like he is a slacker, but our area of the country has an unemployment rate around 27%. I know very few young people who can find work.

U.S. citizens must come first before illegal aliens. I don’t give a damn if they came here as children: deport them.

President Eisenhower rounded up illegal and deported them. So can we.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 2:24:32 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: KC_Lion
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23 posted on 06/15/2012 2:25:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: america-rules; Mozilla; shalom aleichem; Red Steel; stanne; sam_paine; Ingtar; atc23; ...
america-rules: I don't see any other answer Romney can give ?

It's a problem.

He says there ought to be legislation crafted to deal with it.

Obama makes a dictatorial decree.

One is constitutional, one is a dictatorial decree.

Thus, this thread will blow up into "Romney is identical to Obama" because Romney said he agreed with someone who was once a darling of TEA party conservatism.

24 posted on 06/15/2012 2:25:25 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Mozilla
"If I’m president, we’ll do our very best to have that kind of long-term solution that provides certainty and clarity for the people who come into this country through no fault of their own by virtue of an act of their parents." - Mitt Romney

VERY important part of his statement. You see the terminology & the tone he used? He agrees with the fundamentals of the Nightmare Act. That is identical to the rhetoric Obama uses. The primaries are over, conservatives. We are officially under the bus.


25 posted on 06/15/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by Lady4Liberty (Watch Romney DESTROY Obama at his own game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvx4UfM8RA)
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To: america-rules
As for the issue at large. Romney could have simply mentioned it was the irresponsibility of the parents that the children now suffer from their actions. Children who have parents that commit crimes, and are put away in jail suffer. This is no different, once people understand that their family will suffer from their stupid decisions, perhaps that will lead to a better understanding of the problem.
26 posted on 06/15/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Mozilla

Of course you do DHead. The GOP can go to hell.


27 posted on 06/15/2012 2:27:25 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: sam_paine

Careful, you’ll get dizzy.


28 posted on 06/15/2012 2:27:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: KC_Lion

Yes indeed!


29 posted on 06/15/2012 2:28:21 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mozilla

Virgil Goode, for ‘12 POTUS! Just do it, for the Goode of the country.


30 posted on 06/15/2012 2:28:26 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: stanne

“We’re going to be able to get CONSERVATIVE voters,” Mr. Romney said.

There, fixed it. (I wish)


31 posted on 06/15/2012 2:28:43 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: cripplecreek
What are the Congressional Numbers that Illegals could have Cripplecreek?

Oh Yeah....

TOO MANY!

The Whole Point of legalization is too flip certain states to permanently Democrat, so Republicans can never take power agian, You will be taxed without be Represented!

Hello! Don't you realize this Rubio!?

32 posted on 06/15/2012 2:31:09 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: shalom aleichem

What’s with you guys and Rubio? I read what he said and basically it’s “I agree with the ends but don’t support the means of what President Obama did who is making it very difficult for us working on a plan “ - Rubio isn’t the man that people think he is and never was. He has been tied to the Bushes, the Establishment and Romney for years and his legislations of late has many elements that many tea party voters would oppose


33 posted on 06/15/2012 2:31:31 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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..... Wouldn't it be more logical for any person born in this country to a person of illegal status to be considered to be under the care of the natural born parents and subject to all current immigration law, including deportation.

Then upon their 21st (or 18th) birthday make a binding legal final choice by affidavit of which country they choose to be a citizen of..... Relinquishing all claims to their foreign citizenship, or if chosen.... relinquish their claim to American citizen status.

34 posted on 06/15/2012 2:32:28 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Mozilla
Romney is all over the place.

That's Romney! The good news is Romney has stood on the right side of all the issues we care about. The bad news is that he stood on the side of our opposition on all of those very same issues. Welcome to Romneyville!

35 posted on 06/15/2012 2:32:50 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: ilgipper

I guess that it is no wonder why illinois is such a joke with people like you so representing. Do believe I have truly had enough of you quisling-types. Go vote for that POS Romney and STFU already. I don’t want to hear it. Oh, and the next time I hear one of these gutless, good for nothing Romney bots post their bile I am going to get myself banned.


36 posted on 06/15/2012 2:33:22 PM PDT by DonPaulJonesII (WARNING: Poster does not play well with others!)
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To: ilgipper

I’ll agree with some of that. Romney is good at being sly. But people are left now wondering what he would do as a president. He probably did throw Obama off guard by saying that Romney favors some form of reform. But it also threw the base off guard because this is not what people had wanted.
Hee shouldn’t been so quick to side with Rubio. Maybe he thinks if a so-called “tea party” leader supports “reform” then it is ok for him to support it and he is wrong.


38 posted on 06/15/2012 2:35:01 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: KC_Lion

It takes less than 700,000 to make a congressional district.


39 posted on 06/15/2012 2:35:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mozilla

Surprise!

This is one. There are many more to come.

To all of you who have been intentionally fooling and misleading yourselves, so you could — win.

ObamaRomneyCare anyone? Do you get what Soros was talking about now? Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

At least George Bush had a respect for the law. ObamaRomney, not so much.


40 posted on 06/15/2012 2:37:34 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: cripplecreek; onetruelord

If there was no Mitt in the race, you’d have to create one in photoshop to hate. lol. Have a nice weekend, FRiends.


41 posted on 06/15/2012 2:41:18 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: atc23

“Well done, Barack Obama - he set a bear trap and Romney stepped right in.”

Right. Obama set this up nicely to split to GOP and to force Romney’s hand on the issue. Now Romney is in support of Rubio’s ideas which are the passage of a Dream Act and immigration reform. And this is why people opposed Rick Perry in the primaries because he also wanted the same things.


42 posted on 06/15/2012 2:43:39 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: Mozilla

This is Checkmate for Rinos. Hatch , Rubio and others are now backed into a corner only to say, we support what the president has done but we are outraged by how he did it without the cover of congress. We will purge rinos with as much zest and zeal as we will the democrats and marxists. Hatch and others will pay for this in November.


43 posted on 06/15/2012 2:43:39 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: atc23
I’ll eat my hat if this presumptive republican nominee doesn’t begin to drop in the polls tout sweet.

Perhaps!

I am no Romney supporter, but I will be surprised if Obama's poll numbers don't drop over this.

Its obvious Obama is in serious trouble. He isn't even trying to go after the middle, just doing everything to hang on to his far left base.

44 posted on 06/15/2012 2:44:18 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: sam_paine

The problem for Romney, Rubio, and yes Obama too, is that we have legislation on our books today, to deal with it.

We don’t need one more bit of legislation to deal with it.

Enforce the F’ing laws on our books, and get back to me when you (Romney, Rubio, and Obama too) have.


46 posted on 06/15/2012 2:44:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Theoria
Children who have parents that commit crimes, and are put away in jail suffer. This is no different, once people understand that their family will suffer from their stupid decisions, perhaps that will lead to a better understanding of the problem.

Very true. And of course, they've already benefited by whatever degree they've managed to exploit our country's generosity after sneaking across the border.

Seems like those in favor of a "Dream Act" think that because illegals and their offspring have finagled a way to exploit the gravy train, they should thus be rewarded in perpetuity for their clever coup.

47 posted on 06/15/2012 2:49:01 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Mozilla
Kim Jong Obama just usurped the power of Congress, we have Sen. Rubio et al. cheering the move, now the GOP presumtious nominee is giving his nod.

Has anybody realized the Nov election, no matter who ‘wins’, had been nullified?

Obama and Co. just ensured it will be dragged out in court, and possibly creating a Constitutional crisis. Someone(s) want to start a civil unrest real bad.

With Rubio and other moderates on our side, how can we not "win"? I am totally pissed.

48 posted on 06/15/2012 2:49:58 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Will88

As Mr Rogers would say, “Can you spell Etch-a-Sketch?”


49 posted on 06/15/2012 2:50:43 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Mozilla
Not surprised Romney agrees with amnesty, that's been his position all along.
50 posted on 06/15/2012 2:53:04 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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