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Romney Screws the Pooch on Immigration
National Review ^ | 6-15-2012 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 06/15/2012 8:14:40 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Okay, maybe that wasn’t the best metaphor, but he fumbled an important opportunity. The problem with the president’s amnesty decree is not that it “makes it more difficult to reach that long-term solution because an executive order is, of course, just a short-term matter — it can be reversed by subsequent presidents.” The problem is that it’s u-n-c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n-a-l. You would expect Allen West and Steve King to be forceful in denouncing this usurpation, but even Amnesty John McCain and Rick “you don’t have a heart” Perry were strong. Heck, Lindsey Graham — Lindsey Graham — denounced the move as “possibly illegal.” And the fact that Romney didn’t answer when asked if he’d reverse the order is an especially bad sign.

I know all those who’ve been accusing me of being in the tank for Romney will say “I told you so,” but my distress isn’t really about his views on the policy issue at hand — he seemed to endorse Rubio’s as-yet-not-introduced revision of the DREAM Act, which I’m pretty sure I won’t like. I’m appalled because this is a fundamental matter of our political order

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KEYWORDS: alamo; dreamact; illegals; obama; pussyromney; rinoromney; romney; romney4dnc; romney4illegals; romney4mexicans; romney4obama; weak; weakromney; yellowromney
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I'm shock at the those here that are shilling for Romneys weak response by claiming that it's a devious trap by stupid Obama or something to get conservatives to react strongly and you know "we can't offend Hispanics" or something like that. sheesh!
1 posted on 06/15/2012 8:14:53 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

The sub on Levin’s show tonight said Romney needs to come out with a statement this weekend that slams Bamster for breaking the law/skirting the Constitution and Congress.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 8:22:08 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Romney’s tepid, timid response confirms all of the misgivings that I’ve had about him. He is so afraid of making a mis-step that he won’t take a hard stance on anything that might have a whiff of controversy to it....he is a poster boy for all that is wrong with politicians in general and RINOs in particular!


3 posted on 06/15/2012 8:22:13 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Could be Romney will take a dive like Juan McLame did..

Really running the inventor of Romney-care against the inventor of Obama-care..
IS STUPID... on so many levels its hard to know to where to start..


4 posted on 06/15/2012 8:24:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Bigtigermike

Agree that Romney should have been much stronger. This is not about immigration, it is about the Rule of Law and the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce our laws. If a President doesn’t like a law passed by Congress and signed by another President, the current President cannot unilaterally decide not to enforce it or to make up new ones. This is a constitutional crisis, but the idiots in Congress will do nothing even if their own power and authority are being usurped by the Executive Branch.


5 posted on 06/15/2012 8:24:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: VikingMom

Echoes of Mclame.


6 posted on 06/15/2012 8:24:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Romney Sucks!


7 posted on 06/15/2012 8:24:54 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Bigtigermike
Cain't offend them, unnestan, amigo?


8 posted on 06/15/2012 8:26:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant paradise!)
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To: kabar

I agree...this is a matter of the Constitution. That should have been the answer. And it may well be his answer eventually. But the delay causes me concern.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 8:29:50 PM PDT by berdie
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To: DBeers

I have been speaking out loudly that I could never vote for either Obamass or Romney. However, I will make an exception and cast my vote for Romney if he jumps on this with an effort worthy of Reagan.


10 posted on 06/15/2012 8:34:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Why would anyone, ANYONE, be surprised when Romney continues to disappoint? Even if the Obama team sees this as a trap, it’s a trap any sane person should jump at. So we have an immigration problem. So what? Does the fact that Congress can’t agree on something give the president the right to act like a king? No.

We know Obama’s core constituents on the left will love this, including doing it by imperial decree. They really don’t care about the law or democracy. Seriously. The left only plays along so long as it wins. If winning means upholding the law, they’ll use the law to strong arm their opponents. If the law opposes what they want, they’ll try to get it redefined by the courts, and if that fails, they’ll do whatever they please in spite of the law.

Leftists are rebels. They rebel against any authority other than their own, including God’s. They hold a lot of the key cards, like our schools and the media, but they do not necessarily have enough to make a political majority (as another FReeper pointed on another thread, they don’t really have a political majority, so the left is trying to import one).

The left has slowly worked its way through our institutions for decades, but it carefully (wisely as a political strategy) never revealed its true agenda. Even though they despise the rule of law and representative democracy, they were always careful to mouth the right words in public.

Well, now NO ONE has an excuse for not knowing what the left wants. We aren’t voting for a constitutionally limited president. Next election, we’re voting for a king.


11 posted on 06/15/2012 8:38:57 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Bigtigermike
I'm a little surprised that so many, so quickly, think Rommney's response was so weak.

King Obama just made this proclamation today and people expect Rommney to have an immediate perfect response? I'm no fan of Rommney, but I didn't expect a forceful response from such an obvious trap by Bambi.

Give him a day or 2 to see if he realizes the significance. If he doesn't, all is lost. If he does and makes the point about over-stepping Executive authority and ignoring law and minimizes the stupid we-are-the-children-of-the-world talking points, then maybe he is smarter than we think.

Yes, this could be the breaking point.

12 posted on 06/15/2012 8:45:57 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: CitizenUSA

Good rant. We have been warned against this for decades. But what could we have done? The Left has been patient. The Left has erected stone scarecrows (”MCCARTHYISM!”, “RACISM!”, “BIRCHERS!”), which work effectively in the public square against any opposition! (Try saying the word “mulatto” on this very forum.) We are close to the state that the Communist countries were just before 1989, and our King behaves like a Commie gensec, and they, recall, had some supervision by the Party’s Central Committee. Does he?


13 posted on 06/15/2012 8:49:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant paradise!)
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To: Bigtigermike; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE:”Okay, maybe that wasn’t the best metaphor, but he fumbled an important opportunity. The problem with the president’s amnesty decree is not that it “makes it more difficult to reach that long-term solution because an executive order is, of course, just a short-term matter — it can be reversed by subsequent presidents.” The problem is that it’s u-n-c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n-a-l. You would expect Allen West and Steve King to be forceful in denouncing this usurpation, but even Amnesty John McCain and Rick “you don’t have a heart” Perry were strong. Heck, Lindsey Graham — Lindsey Graham — denounced the move as “possibly illegal.” And the fact that Romney didn’t answer when asked if he’d reverse the order is an especially bad sign

Romney is for amnesty and like the others on the Republican channel was forced today to make believe he opposes this when he really wants fully amnesty.

Watching amnesty hawks McCain and Graham-nesty fake outrage on this was sicking. They are complete fakes. They are mad they didnt get the credit for this.

Dems may be socialists, they may be Marxists, but at least they believe in something. Republicans make me sick.

14 posted on 06/15/2012 8:50:33 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: A Navy Vet

It doesn’t take a brain scientist to say from the heart what the President did was outrageous and unconstitutional instead of fearing what Hispanic voters would do. Romney is trying not to lose and it makes him look weak


15 posted on 06/15/2012 8:51:12 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Jane Long

“OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT.”
George Soros
That’s gonna haunt conservatives for the next 4 years.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 8:51:43 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (NOVEMBER 6th: THE END OF AN ERROR! Let us pray it's not the start of another!*)
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To: A Navy Vet

How hard is it to say “This is an unConstitutional power grab?”


17 posted on 06/15/2012 8:52:23 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: VikingMom
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Myth ... the "Celestial God-Child from Planet Kolob" ... neither understands or cares about the U.S. Constitution ...

It is a document of "great inconvenience" to his grand plans for wealth and power ...

There will be "severe" weeping and knashing of teeth "if" Myth wins the 2012 GOP Presidential Nomination ...

American Christian TEA Party Conservatives will be his "first" targets ...

NOT the socialist Obama ...



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18 posted on 06/15/2012 8:54:59 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Bigtigermike

RINOs don’t like condemning executive overreach because they don’t want it to come back and bite them when they do it later on.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 8:58:37 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bigtigermike

first he puts the dog on top of the car, and now this...


20 posted on 06/15/2012 8:59:08 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: A Navy Vet

” ....but I didn’t expect a forceful response from such an obvious trap by Bambi.” <<<<<<

I don’t quite get the “trap” point. Bark simply beat Myth to the finish line. (The two agree on everything but fiscal policy anyway, it seems to me.)

The reason Myth is silent is because this is chess and Bark made the same move Myth would have, but Bark pulled the trigger first. Rubio’s Hispanic hustle of yesterday, which made news, is proof of that. In concert with Romney, Rubio was enlisted to lay the ground work to do the same thing in delegate rich Florida.

Myther is either stuck with figuring out how to cuss what he was going to do himself, or too stupid to immediately recognize the constitutional crisis this move by Obama created.


21 posted on 06/15/2012 9:05:15 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Boogieman

That is exactly what I thought! In the case of Romney, there is barely any other excuse for looking like a door stop, after a clear eyed and obvious hit to the Constitution.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Bigtigermike

Vote for Virgil Goode, instead! Just do it! Vote for an actual conservative with an actual conservative voting record and much more political experience than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Gary Johnson, combined!


23 posted on 06/15/2012 9:16:27 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: VikingMom

One more reason why TRUE conservatives have to be calling LOUDLY for a revolt at the GOP convention. We have to let the delegates know we are behind them if they decide to grow a pair and dump this socialist clown for a constitutionalist. We need a better nominee. Mitt IS NOT it!


24 posted on 06/15/2012 9:23:01 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: sickoflibs

Bears repeating: “Romney is for amnesty and like the others on the Republican channel was forced today to make believe he opposes this when he really wants fully amnesty.”

Of course Romney and a good number of Republicans want amnesty, but they have so far had enough political sense (maybe even integrity), not to do so by imperial edict. If Romney wasn’t a centrist milquetoast, he could ignore the amnesty part, which he probably adores, and counterattack on the rule of law aspects.

Do we have a constitutional republic or a monarchy? Even Chavez plays the democracy game. He’s stacked the deck in Venezuela so that the courts and congress rubber stamp (for the most part) his edicts. Well, President Obama isn’t even bothering with the pretense of a democratically approved solution.

THAT is what Romney should be attacking on, even though he adores amnesty, but Romney is what he is. He will always disappoint, because he’s not one of us and never will be.


25 posted on 06/15/2012 9:25:57 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Obama is everything all here know he is, he doesn't care what we think he pushes his liberal agenda because he believes in it.

Romney only cares about being elected he has no, conservative agenda for America, no core beliefs.

This election will come down to ideology. There is a unabashed hard core liberal running against a liberal Trojan horse pretending to be a conservative who is without any core conviction or belief.

I wont vote for either but I suspect the majority of Americans will vote for the guy who is not afraid to put his core beliefs on the line..

26 posted on 06/15/2012 9:34:35 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Politicalmom
"How hard is it to say “This is an unConstitutional power grab?”"

Not hard at all. However, the political mechanism is not that simple. I wish it were. Let's see. This is a huge opportunity for Rommney to shine - if he doesn't in the next day or so, all is lost. Personally, I fear he will play this badly.

I agree, he should make a huge point of Obambi selectively enforcing law. This is quicksand - and could be the deciding issue even above the economy. I believe the election will be won in the next week depending on how Rommney deals with this chess move.

27 posted on 06/15/2012 9:34:59 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Bigtigermike
Would someone (a constitutional lawyer type person) explain to me how an executive order becomes the law of the land when this is a function of the legislative branch? Where in our constitution do we find the right of the executive branch to make new law by executive decree? I am confused.

Even more confusing to me is the fact that in the oath of office, the President of the United States swears to uphold the laws and Constitution of The United States of America. It does not say uphold the laws of the United States of America that he likes. It does not say he can ignore the laws of the United States of America that his does not like!

I think Obama is trying to provoke a Constitutional Crises and racial division and probable great violence in our great nation. If the next election is run by normal standards Mr. Obama will be defeated in an epic landslide.

Mr. Obama is desperate and will use desperate means to try and retain his quasi Fascist power.

Prior to Mr. Obama, George McGovern was the most left wing candidate that the Democrat party had every run. Mr. McGovern was a decorated B24 pilot in World War II. Although I disagreed with George McGovern's political philosophy, never for even one instant did I ever doubt his love for our nation and honor. THIS CAN NOT BE SAID FOR BARRACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

28 posted on 06/15/2012 9:36:11 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: VikingMom
Romney’s tepid, timid response confirms all of the misgivings that I’ve had about him. He is so afraid of making a mis-step that he won’t take a hard stance on anything that might have a whiff of controversy to it....he is a poster boy for all that is wrong with politicians in general and RINOs in particular!

well said.

29 posted on 06/15/2012 9:38:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: CitizenUSA
RE :”THAT is what Romney should be attacking on, even though he adores amnesty, but Romney is what he is. He will always disappoint, because he’s not one of us and never will be

On one hand it appears that Obama made up this order which mandates what he tried and failed to get passed into law, On the other hand there are enough loopholes in the law to allow him to do this. GWB didn't enforce that law, he just didn't say it on camera.

His order was limited enough to keep it from being an effective weapon by Republicans against him in the election, while scoring him points with Hispanics to get them out to vote. The folks affected appear to be victims.

Republicans don't know what they are doing. My angle would be the high unemployment rate and the fact that Obama is issuing these work visas.

30 posted on 06/15/2012 9:41:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I think you are right. Given his past history, he may not say anything...but send attack dogs to do it. That seems to be what happened today.

My question is this. Will he tap Rubio for VP now? He’s a Dream Act guy.


31 posted on 06/15/2012 9:43:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Bigtigermike

Romney was not my pick either. But he is smart to not fall into Obama’s trap and immediately allow Obama’s gang to accuse him of being a kneejerk racist, Mexican-hater whose own father comes from Mexico.

This is already unfolding badly for Obama as the story is about Obama’s desperate move to foment civil unrest by illegal usurpation of congressional authority to influence the election. Everybody can see this for what it is. Obama has put a lot of democrat congressmen and senators at risk with this move. Let them answer for this and not allow the press to change the subject to Romney’s immediate, ‘anti-hispanic’ rant.

Ginsburg has tipped the hand that Obamacare has been highly contentious in the SC. This means that it is going down, 5 - 4. Take that and Obama’s lawless abuse of power and let his democrat minions in congress go out and defend him, and by association, his disastrous lack of leadership on the economy and everything else. Of course Romney will say what we expect him to say, but why allow the focus to be anywhere but where it should be right now - the out of control, disaster of a president we have.

I want Obama out and I want Pelosi and Reid and the insufferable democrats out front, defending this disaster. Just seeing Schumer and Wasserman Schultz out there pimping for Obama’s sorry ass is worth the backlash it will bring. This move today and next week’s Supreme Court decision belongs to the democrats - let them get out front and repeat their great success from the 2010 mid-terms. Romney will get his chance.


32 posted on 06/15/2012 9:45:55 PM PDT by untwist
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To: cpdiii
This is not an executive order..as a start.

Executive orders are just that an order signed by the executive. O has not or will he sign an order..

They have framed this as administrative discretion..eg how to enforce the laws most effectively.

Folks can scream all they want but this will stand at least until after November..

33 posted on 06/15/2012 9:47:50 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Bigtigermike

34 posted on 06/15/2012 9:53:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bigtigermike
The problem with the president’s amnesty decree is not that it “makes it more difficult to reach that long-term solution because an executive order is, of course, just a short-term matter — it can be reversed by subsequent presidents.

And, where are the GOP reps in the House with calls to impeach??

Oh, that's right, the GOP hasn't had a spine implant. Sorry I asked.

If Obama's latest outrage doesn't get him booted from office, what will?? This is not a smart or popular move.

35 posted on 06/15/2012 9:56:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: A Navy Vet
King Obama just made this proclamation today and people expect Rommney to have an immediate perfect response? I'm no fan of Rommney, but I didn't expect a forceful response from such an obvious trap by Bambi. Give him a day or 2 to see if he realizes the significance.

Sarah Palin didn't need time and polish to make the correct evaluation.

36 posted on 06/15/2012 9:58:37 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: berdie
...this is a matter of the Constitution. That should have been the answer. And it may well be his answer eventually. But the delay causes me concern.

Reagan (or any other patriotic conservative) would have given the correct response without even thinking. That's called having core conservative principles. Romney has neither.



37 posted on 06/15/2012 9:59:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: A Navy Vet
You are entirely correct, Navy Vet.

There is no hurry for Willard to dash headlong into Mister Obama's trap. I would hope that he gives the matter full consideration and waits until Monday morning before making a comment.

Willard will, I believe, realize that few undecideds will be moved into Obama's camp; and that this is (apparently) a way to energize the illegal vote.

And, where are the union fungi on this? Don't they allegedly disagree with amnesty for illegals?

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38 posted on 06/15/2012 10:00:29 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Lady Lucky

Aside from the fact that Sarah is a commentator and not running for president...what was her quick evaluation?


39 posted on 06/15/2012 10:01:39 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Windflier

LOL!!! Great graphic!


40 posted on 06/15/2012 10:02:31 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: doc1019
I will make an exception and cast my vote for Romney if he jumps on this with an effort worthy of Reagan.

In other words, you're going to give him a 'do-over' after he gave a typically liberal answer to the question.

Smart.

41 posted on 06/15/2012 10:03:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bigtigermike

The Bishop has proxies to bark at the intruder. It’s enough for now.


42 posted on 06/15/2012 10:08:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant paradise!)
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To: Windflier

Romney was my last choice.

However, I’m not sure that President Reagan would have shot back immediately. As I said in a pevious post, given Mitt’s nature he might send the attack dogs first.

I will be listening to see if he responds in the manner he probably should. Or is he responds at all.


43 posted on 06/15/2012 10:10:56 PM PDT by berdie
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To: untwist

Ah....the whole Romney is a racist bit? Look.....Romney is already called a racists by the Dems and media and even if he is to pander to the Hispanics, which I think he will eventually do, he still will be called anti-Hispanic and a racists. If Mitt thinks he can play “prevent defense” and try not to lose the race, he will lose the race that obviously he thinks he got in the bag


44 posted on 06/15/2012 10:12:34 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: A Navy Vet
King Obama just made this proclamation today and people expect Rommney to have an immediate perfect response?

What do you think Reagan's first response would have been? Or for that matter, any principled conservative?

When a person has taken ownership of conservative principles, they don't mis-speak when asked questions like these. They give the correct response, without hesitation, and can even expound at length about the underlying reasoning.

Romney's response was correct for the 'principles' that guide him. Those 'principles' don't mesh gears with those of conservatives, but they're a good match for those of liberals.

45 posted on 06/15/2012 10:14:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Dick Bachert
“OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT.”
George Soros

That’s gonna haunt phoney conservatives for the next 4 years.

46 posted on 06/15/2012 10:17:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sickoflibs

Your angle is a good one. Stress the fact of all the young people who can’t find jobs. Appeal also to parents who unexpectedly have to support their kids.

If this is accepted as law, all the law-abiding companies and small businesses who have refrained from hiring illegals will now HAVE to hire them. From being fined for hiring them they will now be fined for not hiring them.

And the food is spicy enough already. If Bloombird would ban chili pepper in any food that does not traditionally contain it, I might forgive him some of his other nonsense. Arrabbiata is the only Italian sauce that is supposed to have pepper.


47 posted on 06/15/2012 10:19:55 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Politicalmom
How hard is it to say “This is an unConstitutional power grab?”


"Are you kidding me??? I can't say that!!"


48 posted on 06/15/2012 10:24:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

There is a reason you (I assume) and I are not politicians.

We don’t have the subversive skills.


50 posted on 06/15/2012 10:27:29 PM PDT by berdie
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