Skip to comments.WaPo wonders: What will hundreds of thousands of job permits do to the economy?
Posted on 06/17/2012 6:29:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I asked the same question in an update to Erika’s post on Barack Obama's unilateral move to accommodate young illegal immigrants by refusing to deport them and issue them temporary work permits instead. With potentially as many as 800,000 new workers flooding into the system, what happens to the millions of Americans who can't find work now? The Washington Post wonders the same thing, and more:
President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process? ...
Under the new policy, as many as 1.4 million undocumented immigrants under age 30 will be able to apply for the amnesty, allowing them to work and attend college legally. To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.
The policy does not provide permanent legal residency, but it protects those who qualify from being deported and gives them a chance to renew their new status every two years. It also does not grant any public benefits, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Federal law already grants all undocumented immigrants the right to a public-school education and emergency hospital care.
The new policy could entail additional costs for administration and enforcement, however, and put pressure on state systems of higher education to meet growing demand for slots.
A move like this might have made sense in 2005-6, when the civilian participation rate in the workforce was near its all-time high (around 66.2% at that time), with unemployment in the 5% range, and labor so tight that hourly wages on entry level positions were constantly rising. American businesses would have welcomed a larger pool of legal workers and the competition wouldn’t have put others out of work or forced them to work for significantly less money. People would have opposed it for other reasons, but economically speaking, it wouldn’t have had a tremendously negative impact, at least not in the short term.
But now? We’re not creating enough jobs to keep up with population growth as it is. With this new policy in place, Obama will introduce hundreds of thousands of suddenly-eligible workers into an economy with an 8.2% nominal unemployment rate, a 14.8% U-6 un/underemployed rate, with a civilian participation rate that has plummeted from 65.7% at the start of the Obama recovery in June 2009 (the same as it was when he took office, too) to 63.8%, lower than it was when Reagan faced his first midterm election. Those who are already struggling to find jobs are not only going to face more competition for those slots, the glut of labor will depress entry-level wages even further.
Don’t make the mistake of dismissing the short-term benefits of this move for Barack Obama. When a chief executive “takes the bull by the horns” and acts in a strong manner, he will usually get rewarded with a bump upward in approval and support. Americans like to see leaders lead, which is the reason incumbent Presidents have such an advantage in re-election efforts. It’s also no secret that the Latino community had grown angry with the increased rate of deportations in the Obama administration, and this will heal a breach that Obama can’t afford in November. But this has a large potential for backfire — and if jobs reports this summer continue the downward trend we’ve been seeing this year, those 23 million Americans who already feel locked out of the economy will be asking the same question the Post does this morning.
Politicians who persist in the practice of siding WITH foreigners AGAINST Americans do not deserve our votes.
Here’s a thought. Since our congress is too cowardly to stop this, just don’t hire them.
Plenty of excuses to make and you’ll be sued by someone if you do or don’t so....
It’s a case of Us against Them — and Obama is one of Them.
Don’t worry your pretty little liberal minds about it, WaPo.
Just keep dragging out Woodward and Berstein trying to cement their pathetic Watergate Crap fame for the rest of their lives. I swear if I hear that homo Woodward one more time about the huge criminality of Nixon one more effing time, I’m gonna hurl.
If the homo wants criminality, he should look to the current WH. Holder, Axelrod, Obama, Jarrett, et al make the Nixon team look like Sunday school pikers.
Well, since the government will likely aide the ‘now-documented’ illegal in covering up the trail, it will be very difficult I imagine to sort the illegals from the citizens. Is this what hispanic citizens here want? Blanket non-hiring of hispanics because concerned business owners can’t sort it? Just sayin’......
What is it going to do to HOUSING? What is it going to do to HEALTH SERVICES? What is it going to do to TAXES? What is it going to do to LAW AND ORDER? This is a DISMISSAL of Law BY THOSE WHO ARE THE STEWARDS OF OUR LAW! Either Congress adress this illegality or they ALL answer to We The People!
The ‘work permit’ they show will make it easy to spot them. Just say truthfully ‘we have many apps for this position. We’ll review our options and call you.’
And the 1.4 million added to the ‘jobless’ rolls will really make an impact as has been mentioned.
Idiot screwed up big time with this. All the polls are in the 65-85% range against and that’s BEFORE people realize what this means financially to the country.
So now the marxists in DC are creating voters out of illegal aliens by fiat in their latest attempt to subvert the Constitution and remain in control of the spoils.
It’s been all over but the shouting since 1865.
The degenerate crooks from both parties that put on a big show every campaign season and fight over who gets to control the money extorted from the sucker American taxpayers are evil incarnate.
DC and the Washingtonians are always the problem and will NEVER be the solution.
The sooner the inevitable collapse caused by ignoring the Founders and amending the Constitution to institute Universal Suffrage happens, the better. Then the Republic can be reset and the vote extended only to taxpayers and Veterans
The collapse will be when the SS and welfare checks stop coming.
The franchise must be limited and determined by the states.
Incorporate term limits and rotate the Capital amongst the States.
“Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.” James Madison
Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams: letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.:Thomas Jefferson
Given the fact that this can be reversed with the stroke of a pen, I wonder how many illegals will register. Particularly given the fact that they won’t be deported if caught. Employers, sure, they’ll want to train an employee which could disappear in a year or two. College grad or not. My guess all it will do is increase the competition for lower paying jobs.
What I wonder about is how many of these illegals have been voting already.
The incremental change may not be that large?
This government WILL make it impossible for the average American to distinguish these people from real citizens - take EBT cards for example replacing food stamps to make the stigma go away and make it harder for the average Joe to spot a leech at WalMart. Or, Section 8 housing where the government moves lowlifes into your neighborhood instead of putting them where they belong - in public housing.
The point I am making is that normal suppositions about government procedure do not consider collusion with WH goals in this deluded case. We won't be able to tell them apart from Adam, by normal documentation - mark my words, [GAFFER, June 17, 2012].
Since these people are “undocumented”, by definition and must be engaged in either identity fraud or tax evasion in order to have worked to date, what’s to stop any illegal from stating they meet these minimal “requirements” and claim eligibility for this new program?
Yo, Sheeple! Your "cool" president is "leading" this country straight to perdition. Over the cliff and down into the spiritual (and economic) abyss.
The important thing, though, is that he is hip and (half) Black, so everything he does is cool, cool, cool!
This policy also puts many employers between a rock and a hard place. SCOTUS recently approved Arizona’s policy of enforcing immigration laws through business licensing. The policy essentially says that a business can have all of is licenses revoked if it knowingly hires “unauthorized workers.” An “unauthorized worker” is anybody not legally authorized to seek employment in the U.S.and includes many aliens, like tourists, who are legally here but who cannot legally seek employment.
Getting back to the main point, what if AZ and other states choose to ignore the Illegal’s dictate and continue to enforce the law as written against employers? That means an employer faces the Hobson’s choice of potentially losing his business license if he hires one of Obama’s boys or being sued in Federal court for national origin discrimination if he doesn’t.
Unless the Govt does away with the SS# requirement, they will either need a WP or some other paperwork. If the govt tries to give them an SS card like ours, that will take time and there will be exposure.
Then IF they do manage to sneak it in and make them ‘invisible’ you’ll just see lots of real American ‘hispanics’ unable to find work because many businesses just won’t hire anyone who looks Mexican.
It says they won’t be eligible for Medicare but
if in this economy they can’t find a job are they
eligible for unemployment comp?
99 weeks etc.
This is the straw that breaks America’s back.
It must not stand.
I’m still waiting for an article explaining how this will affect the [fake] unemployment rate of 8.2%.
Adding 800,000 or so the the ranks of the workforce and the unemployed WILL have a negative effect on the rate.
If they pay unemployment tax they will be. Otherwise it’s a violation of law to tax them for services they cannot legally receive.
This is such a mess it’s staggering.
Good ultimately for America though, because the outrage as more of this becomes understood, it will force congress to act or be thrown from office. It will bring it ALL to a head.
It has got to make the security and intelligence communities in America ill to think that the loyalty of the Commander In Chief as questionable.
Sad to say but Madison and his cohort had little knowledge of the history of democratic forms of government ~ there was an awful lot of guessing and theoretical temporizing in their discussions of their own grand experiment.
If you can’t find a job and never had one you don’t get unemployment compensation. European systems do provide unemployment to students.
re: “The sooner the inevitable collapse caused by ignoring the Founders and amending the Constitution to institute Universal Suffrage happens, the better. Then the Republic can be reset and the vote extended only to taxpayers and Veterans.”
You mean civil war don’t you? The sooner the better? You do know what an all out civil war would entail don’t you? How do you know that the Republic will “reset” to what our Founders established, let alone the right to vote only going to taxpayers and veterans?
I assume the quotes you used from the Founders are intended to say that we no longer have a democratic republic, and that our government has evolved into a pure democracy. I would agree that we are certainly headed that direction, but I still think we are a republic and that the slide toward a “pure democracy” can still be averted.
The problem with this idea that a total collapse of our country into a civil war will produce a renewed, reset, and better America, as envisioned by our Founders, is that once a civil war begins there’s no telling where it will end up politically. It could just as easily turn us into a pure totalitarian state, communist state, or just decades of guerilla warfare run by groups of differing warlords.
As long as we can still vote, still have the possibility of removing those we don’t like in office through the ballot box (not bullets), and still have the possibility of changing the direction of our nation through Constitutional means, then I’m against open civil war. When and if our government removes all constitutional means for change, civil war will erupt on its own - but, again, what will happen politically is a complete unknown.
Civil war may come, but I would never hope for it.
Maybe this has been brought up already, but I haven’t noticed it. There is an additional reason for American citizens to be concerned: all of these formerly illegal aliens will now be legally eligible for affirmative action benefits, meaning that they may be given preferential treatment as job applicants and college applicants because of their minority status.
First stage to amnesty,everything is going as planed.
Ted Kennedy smiles.
The government is already duplicitous enough to camoflage an illegal’s provenance by negating many established requirements while simultaneously requiring normal American Citizens to contend with overly stringent requirements.
Congress can’t even get a truthful answer from DOJ about Gunwalker and Fast and Furious for cripes sake.
I submit motor voter laws and spontaneous poll affadavits as an example of this hypocrisy.
And your comment about unintended consequences is entirely plausible. If I were a business owner and had to hire people and illegals were indistinguishable, how do you think I’d solve the problem if I were vehemently against this government on its policy? Hmmm?
With enough race riots in the country our Dear Leader will declare Martial Law and try to take over.
What will this do to the official unemployment rate hovering around 8% but really 12-16%?
Agreed. The question is-When does this take effect? If it takes effect upon Obamas signature, then the UCX rate just went up about 2%. Regardless of which Gerrymandered statistic the Rats chose to present.
Americans are fed up. BHO knows he is going to lose in a landslide. He is trying to ruin the country and suck out the remaining monies. He has accomplished what he set out to do.
Refusing to enforce laws that protect American workers is a natural outcome of a Permanent Ruling Aristocracy form of government. Without the right of states to secede, it is impossible to regulate the tyranny and corruption of the Permanent Ruling Aristocracy (party bosses, lobbyists, federal employee union bosses, major Washington D.C. law firms, and the military/industrial/international banking complex) and their Orwellian Ministers of Truth (America’s newrooms and faculty lounges).
Ubama will decree that they get to collect unemployment if they can’t find jobs.
This racist move imposes slave wages on LEGAL immigrants!!
More Mexican restaurants or roofing companies competing with one another, will likely drive some to Canada...
What it means is that illegals will have work permits to waive at employers while citizens will not.
As soon as a couple of citizens file a complaint about being asked for the same kind of permits the feds will rise up against "profiling".
DOJ will, of course, take immediate action.
And documentation will be effectively a moot issue - no one will be willing to check doc's or ask questions.
And, that gets us back to my original supposition: What would an employer then do if presented with a possible illegal applying for a job? Would he, if overwhelmingly against Obama's action, take it out on all hispanics applying for a job? After all, it likely will be next to impossible to tell who is who. There's a simple fix for that.
Are there provisions in this executive order that if and when you hire one of these legal/illegal “children” do they have to be a member of a union?
“It says they wont be eligible for Medicare but...”
That’s ok, we don’t have the money to pay Medicare for the current recipients, much less the folks that expect to collect sometime in the future, whether citizen, documented immigrant, or semi-documented immigrant.
I don’t think this will affect the job market that much. Those people are probably already working because of the other laws the government refuses to enforce.
Will this additional 800,000 now be counted in the Jobless Claims?
I chanced on CNN about a week ago. The gravelly voice of Bob Woodward got my attention. Curiously enough the date of the break-in to Watergate was June 17,1972 (Hope I got it right). For years, when there was a scandal in politics, the two men got a rerun of their "intrepid" reporting.
What got to me was the bad mouthing of the late President Nixon by Woodward. Woodward went on, without details, of the crimes of Richard Nixon, far, far worse than is known, said Woodward. I would echo the classic liberal mouthing at an famous hearing vis: "Have you no shame?" to Woodward.
Rest in peace Mr President.
Both of these lucky hacks stumbled on something the media and liberals were aching to monopolize.
Berstein has been largely absent from the post kangaroo lynching, but Woodward (slo-mo I call him because of his halting speech obviously symptomatic of a dimwitted mind).
Despite media’s concocted history of them, neither were, or are, anything special despite the accolades bestowed on them (do we remember Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize?)
If it weren’t for Hollywood’s hatred of America and the screen portrayals of them by Hoffman and Redford, they would likely be working for the Enquirer now. (Sorry, Enquirer, you really deserve better even if the Silk Pony is gonna walk on his cheating on his dying wife). I digress, but Nuclear (you hear me Kennedys and Carter? I said effing NOO-CLEE-ARE, you morons) would also have fared better had it not been for that b!tch Jane Fonda and the China Syndrome.....
Regardless, the liberal media won’t ever (I’m hopefull they’ll all die off sometime soon or their professors that teach this sh!t develop Alzheimers or something) stop with this Watergate crap, nor will it stop with the Kennedy Camelot dynasty - unless they try to replace it with the Obama Dynasty......
Hell, I’m so p!ssed off right now I can’t stop - but I will.
I don't agree.
Many of the large states are already openly communist due to universal suffrage, ensuring that no solution will ever be forthcoming from Congress, the Federal Judiciary, or the WH, as has been painfully obvious since the 17th amendment was adopted.
Nothing but bigger Federal Government and more Federal apparatchiks at the expense of ever increasing amounts of money extorted from working people.
The collapse is inevitable.
Doesn't mean there will be a shooting civil war though, the communist states don't have the power to raise armies, and will be too busy looting their own to pose a threat to the non communist states.
I envision a Provisional military government for six months , all incumbents fired from all three branches of government, then new elections with only taxpayers and veterans enfranchised.
The Federal capital to be rotated amongst the States (and not all states are necessarily going to be admitted), and term limits.
Unless the terrorists do us a favor and nuke DC first, but I doubt they would be that stupid, recognizing that the threat of the federal bureaucracy to productive US citizens makes the threat posed by the muhammadans pale in comparison.
All of this nonsense about there being a difference whether a foreign communist from Kenya or a mormon cultist grandson of polygamist refugees from Mexico occupies the White House is absurd.
Jobs? Who cares whether they work or not? Obama just wants them to vote. Then they can bloody well evaporate for all he cares.
Thanks for the well thought out reply. I heard this somewhere once.
When you are on a roll, you are on a roll.
Or words to that effect.
Anyone can pay taxes. I’d much rather just have a random drawing ~
And yet there are people who still insist BO must be a natural-born citizen (even if the bastard son of some American communist) who meets Article II requirements.
This man is a textbook example of what the Founders warned against.
This is why there are two watertight doors on a submarine.
Born on U.S. soil of U.S. citizen parents = puts Americans first. Not foreigners.