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Greece Election Results- LIVE THREAD (polls Close at 11AM EDT)
Various | 6-17-12 | TCRLAF

Posted on 06/17/2012 8:05:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Here we go again, Groundhog Day. And likely with almost the same result as last time likely.

Interesting quote:

Condemning the outside interference in the election, Greek blogger Nick Malkoutzis, who is also deputy editor of deputy editor of Kathimerini English Edition, writes that "Europe that has become scared of democracy".

UK Guardian is Live-Bogging, with updates every minute: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/greek-election-blog-2012/2012/jun/17/greek-elections-greece-polls-live?newsfeed=true


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News in from Helena Smith, our correspondent in Athens, on the latest unofficial exit polls being conducted on behalf of political parties ahead of the close of the ballot at 7pm local time (5pm BST).

I have just spoken to a senior cadre in the socialist Pasok party where unofficial polling results are being monitored on a two-hourly basis. "The next few hours are crucial as the rush to vote has only just begun among young people," he told me. "From now to the close of the election polling stations are likely to be packed."

Latest results, he said, show the conservative "pro-European" New Democracy party in the lead with 29% of the vote closely followed by the anti-bailout far-left Syriza party with 27%. Pasok is in third with 12%. The small European-oriented Democrat Left has around 6%. Support for the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, which was catapulted into parliament for the first time since the collapse of military rule in 1974, was also at 6%. Figures for the communist KKE party and anti-austerity Independent Greeks party were not available.

Exit polls will be released at 7pm Greek time but with at least 15 % of voters undecided analysts have warned that it won't be before 9:30pm that "a clear result" comes through.

1 posted on 06/17/2012 8:05:30 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Kinda sounds like there won’t be a finality to this election either. If a majority situation can’t be put together and the package from Germany be accepted, then the next ten days promise to be a roller-coaster. I’d hate to be a German on a vacation in Greece for the next two weeks.


2 posted on 06/17/2012 8:08:18 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: tcrlaf

Live results for a dead nation!


3 posted on 06/17/2012 8:10:41 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: tcrlaf

French Parliment Elections are also today, with the Socialists expected to win.


4 posted on 06/17/2012 8:12:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: pepsionice
I’d hate to be a German on a vacation in Greece for the next two weeks.

Given the nature of the German occupation of Greece in WWII and the fact that every village has a monument to it's victims, I wouldn't want to be a German vacationing in Greece anytime.

5 posted on 06/17/2012 8:15:52 AM PDT by AU72
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To: tcrlaf

praying-for-the-Will-of-God vigil bump


6 posted on 06/17/2012 8:16:36 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: Caipirabob; tcrlaf
Live results for a dead nation!

LOL!; thanks for starting this important thread.

7 posted on 06/17/2012 8:20:41 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: tcrlaf
French Parliment Elections are also today, with the Socialists expected to win.

So in Europe, you pour gas on a fire to make it go out. Got it!

8 posted on 06/17/2012 8:21:11 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: PGalt

Lol - If the Greeks are know for anything, it’s a good “Greek Tragedy”.


9 posted on 06/17/2012 8:22:29 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Some Recent Tweets:

Pasok’s private #Greece2012 unofficial exit polling says ND- 29%, Syriza - 27% Pasok - 12%

Dutch finance minister says Greece must implement reforms regardless of election outcome


10 posted on 06/17/2012 8:25:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf; All

BBC Live Page: Election in Greece
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18463543?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


11 posted on 06/17/2012 8:26:19 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

FROM AFP:
Greek Election: Operational grenades found in pro-austerity TV station’s offices

The ballot opened smoothly but around 1000 GMT a prominent television station, Skai TV, which supports the unpopular austerity drive, was evacuated after two grenades were found outside its offices.

Police said the grenades, which were operational, were found after an anonymous telephone warning in the early morning. There was no explosion.

“Somebody is trying to disturb the holding of the election but this effort will fail,” said government spokesman Dimitris Tsiodras.

“Democracy cannot be terrorised,” he added.

A police statement said the two grenades would be examined by bomb experts, and that the investigation would be conducted by the Greek anti-terrorism squad.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/greeks-under-pressure-cliffhanger-euro-election-031024123.html


12 posted on 06/17/2012 8:28:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Caipirabob

Live results for a dead nation!


So true. The outcome has no bearing on the future of Greece. Way too much emphasis is being put on this election.
One of two results:
1. Really bad for Greece and Euro and rest of world markets in the coming days.
2.Really Super Bad for Greece and Euro and rest of world markets in the coming months.


13 posted on 06/17/2012 8:29:58 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: tcrlaf

Thanks for the twitter link. Thread BUMP!


14 posted on 06/17/2012 8:30:30 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: tcrlaf

15 posted on 06/17/2012 8:31:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Exit Polls released in 29 Minutes.

Finally found some Live TV Links:

NET TV
http://www.ert.gr/webtv/index.php/web-tv-live/net-live.html

MEGA TV Live Streaming:
http://www.megatv.com/ekloges2012/default.asp

SKAI TV:
http://www.skai.gr/player/tvlive/


16 posted on 06/17/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Party: New Democracy. On the political scale: Conservatives. Their leader is Antonis Samaras. ND actually won the May 6 election but saw their vote drop from 33.5% on the previous election in 2009 to 18.9%, which did not give them a majority. (See the infographic link below for a more detailed breakdown.)

Party: Pasok. On the political scale: Socialists. Their leader is Evangelos Venizelos. Austerity measures have not been kind to Pasok as they saw their numbers drop in the May 6 election when international creditors began calling in debts. It seems ironic to say in a way, but socialism costs money too.

Party: Syriza. On the political scale: Left of the left. Their leader is the young, camera-friendly, Alexis Tsipras. Basically, the party has stuck to this line throughout their campaigning: “The only route of dignity and prosperity for the European people is to reject the policies of austerity and recession and not that of accepting as whole the memorandum commitments, as Mr. Samaras does.” Though Tsipras has said he does not support a Grexit, there has been no explanation of how that could happen if austerity measures are rejected. However, their support has grown among those suffering from the current austerity fallout.

Party: Independent Greeks. On the political scale: offshoot of New Democracy. Their leader is Panos Kammenos. They have claimed that Germany is trying to conquer Europe, using language and terms that harken images of WWI and WWII.

Party: Democratic Left. On the political scale: Socialist. Their leader is Fotis Kouvelis, who has said, in somewhat confusing fashion, that he will not join an obvious coalition with Pasok until another party joins first.

Party: Communist. On the political scale: Do Communists fit in on a scale? Their leader, interestingly, is a woman, Aleka Papariga. The party flat out states they want to leave the Euro and have also rejected any chance of winning seats since rejecting the possibility of forming a coalition with Syriza.

Party: Golden Dawn. On the political scale: absolutely crazy Neo-Nazis. Their leader is Ilias Panagiotaros and no one wants to form any coalition with them, perhaps one of the few bright spots in the whole economic mess.

above information from...

http://www.policymic.com/articles/9779/greek-election-2012-results-live-euro-zone-hangs-in-balance


17 posted on 06/17/2012 8:42:00 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: tcrlaf; All

more from link in post #17...

The head of the conservative New Democracy Party, Antonis Samaras, said the elections were a choice between keeping the Euro and returning to the drachma. His opponent, Alexis Tspiras from leftist party Syriza opposes the terms of an international bailout.

However, both candidates have been willing to pander to the more centrist parts of the electorate by claiming they would renegotiate the bailout (Samaras) and that they are not opposed to staying in the euro zone (Tspiras).

“We will exit the crisis; we will not exit the euro. We will not let anyone take us out of Europe,” Samaras said at a campaign rally in Syntagma Square.


18 posted on 06/17/2012 8:58:26 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt; All

FIRST EXIT POLLS PER SKAI TV:

Syriza 30%
ND 29.5%
Pasok 15%


19 posted on 06/17/2012 9:02:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

2012 Megatv poll:
ND 27.5-30.5
Syriza 27.30
Pasok 10-12
IndGreeks 6-7.5


20 posted on 06/17/2012 9:04:12 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Another Exit poll, this one with full results:

ND 28%-31%,
SYRIZA 27%-30%,
PASOK 10%-12%,
IndyGreeks 6%-8%,
Golden Dawn 6%-8%,
DIMAR 6%-7%,
KKE 5%-6%

Golden Dawn (NAZI) seems to have INCREASED thier votes...


21 posted on 06/17/2012 9:06:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Just saw on fox news that the Greek soccer team won last night and that it might be hard for the hard partying left leaning youth vote to find their way to the polls today!


22 posted on 06/17/2012 9:07:45 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: TEXOKIE

Speaking of that, here’s an interesting Tweet from a moment ago:

Pollster Stratos Fanaras saying a part of voters-mainly younger people who came to vote in last 2hrs-refused to answer to exit polls

This is generally believed to be in Syriza’s favor


23 posted on 06/17/2012 9:10:03 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

I wish the American electorate was smart enough to learn from this disaster in Greece —— but half of them are not.


24 posted on 06/17/2012 9:13:13 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: tcrlaf

I am kinda following this but have no idea who would be a good winner? How about a little info or a link to some info so I can figure this out. Thanks.


25 posted on 06/17/2012 9:14:36 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: tcrlaf

You are providing the best coverage on this. The MSM and BBC are out to lunch or just covering the worthless, easy stuff, like Rodney King.

Thanks.


26 posted on 06/17/2012 9:17:42 AM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: PGalt

bttt; thanks for the thumbnail analysis. A big help.

I wish I knew more about European political parties and beliefs. It is all I can do to keep up with us. :)


27 posted on 06/17/2012 9:20:47 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: balls; All

OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS from The Ministy Of The Interior:

http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012b/public/index.html?lang=en#{%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:{}}

Nothing posted yet.


28 posted on 06/17/2012 9:21:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Party with most votes gets an extra 50 seats- apparently that will decide whether Euro stays in Greece.

http://ekathimerini.com/ekathi/page1/elections2012
“0.5 percent is about 35,000 votes says Public Issue analyst Yiannis Mavris. That is the potential difference between SYRIZA and ND. “


29 posted on 06/17/2012 9:23:24 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: cornfedcowboy

1. Really bad
2.Really Super Bad


Hmmm..that sounds like somewhere familiar...?


30 posted on 06/17/2012 9:25:08 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Leep

1. Really bad
2.Really Super Bad


Hmmm..that sounds like somewhere ELSE familiar...?

Starts with an “U” ends in “A” with a “S” in the middle.


31 posted on 06/17/2012 9:27:01 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: TEXOKIE

Looks like the Greeks will be playing Germany in the quarterfinals too. Could get ugly!


32 posted on 06/17/2012 9:33:52 AM PDT by notfornothing
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To: tcrlaf
http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23Greece "Alan Clerkin‏@AlanClerkin If you told me a few years back, I would be sitting in watching the election results of #Greece live, I would have looked at you funny!" LOL!
33 posted on 06/17/2012 9:39:49 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
It is all I can do to keep up with us. :)

You're welcome. Me, too!

34 posted on 06/17/2012 9:40:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: tcrlaf

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18478982?print=true

Greek election ‘too close to call’

The results will be followed around the world, amid fears of economic turmoil

Greece’s right-wing New Democracy and left-wing Syriza parties are almost neck-and-neck after parliamentary elections, exit polls suggest.

New Democracy, which broadly supports a European bailout deal, looked to be almost tied with Syriza, which opposes the measure.

The outcome could decide Greece’s future inside the euro.

The election was the second in six weeks, called after a 6 May vote proved inconclusive.

The two main parties are thought to have polled between 27 and 30%, the exit poll showed.

But though the result could be almost a dead heat, the party that does come out on top will receive an extra 50 seats.

The BBC’c Chris Morris says that with the parties so close, the cliche that “every vote counts” has never been more true.

The centre-left Pasok, a potential partner for New Democracy in a pro-bailout government, polled 10-12%, with several smaller anti-bailout parties on 5-6%.

Sunday’s vote is being watched around the world, amid fears that a Greek exit from the euro could spread contagion to other eurozone members and send turmoil throughout the global economy.

Tough austerity measures were attached to the two international bailouts awarded to Greece, an initial package worth 110bn euros (£89bn; $138bn) in 2010, then a follow-up last year worth 130bn euros.

Many Greeks are unhappy with the conditions attached to deals which have been keeping the country from bankruptcy.


35 posted on 06/17/2012 9:41:26 AM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: notfornothing

“Looks like the Greeks will be playing Germany in the quarterfinals too. Could get ugly!”

In soccer or in economics?


36 posted on 06/17/2012 9:41:26 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27"\)
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To: tcrlaf

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18478982?print=true

Greek election ‘too close to call’

The results will be followed around the world, amid fears of economic turmoil

Greece’s right-wing New Democracy and left-wing Syriza parties are almost neck-and-neck after parliamentary elections, exit polls suggest.

New Democracy, which broadly supports a European bailout deal, looked to be almost tied with Syriza, which opposes the measure.

The outcome could decide Greece’s future inside the euro.

The election was the second in six weeks, called after a 6 May vote proved inconclusive.

The two main parties are thought to have polled between 27 and 30%, the exit poll showed.

But though the result could be almost a dead heat, the party that does come out on top will receive an extra 50 seats.

The BBC’c Chris Morris says that with the parties so close, the cliche that “every vote counts” has never been more true.

The centre-left Pasok, a potential partner for New Democracy in a pro-bailout government, polled 10-12%, with several smaller anti-bailout parties on 5-6%.

Sunday’s vote is being watched around the world, amid fears that a Greek exit from the euro could spread contagion to other eurozone members and send turmoil throughout the global economy.

Tough austerity measures were attached to the two international bailouts awarded to Greece, an initial package worth 110bn euros (£89bn; $138bn) in 2010, then a follow-up last year worth 130bn euros.

Many Greeks are unhappy with the conditions attached to deals which have been keeping the country from bankruptcy.


37 posted on 06/17/2012 9:41:35 AM PDT by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: balls

Do you think the exit polls have any value?

What the heck happens if they end up in a stalemate again?


38 posted on 06/17/2012 9:48:35 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks tcrlaf.


39 posted on 06/17/2012 10:01:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tcrlaf

Well. Here’s something intriguing from BBC’s text feed:

“1747: German Chancellor Angela Merkel is delaying her departure for the G20 summit in Mexico by about 12 hours, a German official has told Reuters news agency. No details yet.”


40 posted on 06/17/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by jack gillis
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To: jocon307
What the heck happens if they end up in a stalemate again?

Germany gets to annex Greece.

41 posted on 06/17/2012 10:04:23 AM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: jack gillis; All

Tweets of New Exit Polls
Golden Dawn has finished 3rd among young voters.


42 posted on 06/17/2012 10:05:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

More on the new Exit Poll:

Real age split <55 favour Syriza
Vote: 18-34 Syriza 33%, ND 20%
35-54 Syriza 34%, ND 24%: 55+ ND 39%, Syriza 20%


43 posted on 06/17/2012 10:06:57 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012b/mobile/level.html?lang=en&level=ep&id=38

Results coming in looking like New Democrats will win by 4-6% with about 5-10% votes in.


44 posted on 06/17/2012 10:08:43 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: jack gillis

Paging Generaloberst Student.....Will Kurt Student please pick up the brown courtesy phone...


45 posted on 06/17/2012 10:16:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: tcrlaf

Just to clear something up:

Golden Dawn (I’m not a supporter) is not a Neo Nazi party, this is something the english language media has picked up on without much knowledge.

Elias, in that now infamous tv incident, was saying Papandreou (the socialist PM of Greece for decades and leader of PASOK, and who’s policies are the cause of all this) should be executed for his criminal negligence. If you understand Greek you’d know he was being hyperbolic, but many Greeks would agree with the sentiment.

He is a nationalist NOT a socialist. He believes Greece should voluntarily withdraw from the Euro and relearn how to live without a welfare state. The majority of people don’t know any other way. He believes the country must undergo a period of disciplined restructuring and growth (see Poland, now the fastest growing economy in europe).

A ND or Syriza win won’t change anything. Samaras is beholden to interest groups and Tsipras is simply a charismatic fool.

If you’ve read European news in the last week you will have seen countless stories showing how Europe can absorb a Greek exit. This is a coordinated communications attempt from PR firms, the ECB and Finance ministers to calm investors and bankers from panicing post-election.

Europe doesn’t want to federalize debt until the Greek tumor has been removed. And the recovery of Spain and Italy relies on this federalization.

Greece is leaving the Euro. All that will be determined by this election is how much more european money they take with them.

I’m just glad my grandfather, a real Greek patriot who fought first the Nazi’s and then was wounded fighting the Soviets to assure Greek independence and then endured 25 years of corrupt socialist policies while never once trying to exploit the system himself, isn’t alive to see the fruition of his worst fears.


46 posted on 06/17/2012 10:17:57 AM PDT by ExPatGreek
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To: HereInTheHeartland

After a Greek exit and IF Merkel continues to obstruct debt federalization and IF capital controls are imposed and IF Germany wins this tournament (only slightly joking there) a wave of anti-Germany sentiment will really sweep over the continent.


47 posted on 06/17/2012 10:18:07 AM PDT by ExPatGreek
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To: Repeal 16-17

If you knew your history, you’d know this is not funny


48 posted on 06/17/2012 10:18:07 AM PDT by ExPatGreek
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To: struggle

Athinon B is the district that has picked the winner in every Greek election for 40 years. thats the only exit poll that really matters.


49 posted on 06/17/2012 10:18:11 AM PDT by ExPatGreek
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To: ExPatGreek

Lighten up. Nobody would take my earlier comment seriously.


50 posted on 06/17/2012 10:36:23 AM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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