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MILLER: D.C. police damage soldier’s guns
The Washington Times ^ | 17 June, 2012 | Emily Miller

Posted on 06/18/2012 4:14:21 AM PDT by marktwain

Army First Lt. Augustine Kim’s finally got the Washington Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) to return his guns after two years -- only to find them permanently damaged. The department violated its own regulations on handling firearms in evidence by engraving marks on the sides of the guns, and the city should reimburse the soldier for the loss.

The Afghanistan war veteran was wrongly arrested while lawfully transporting his firearms from New Jersey to his home in South Carolina.

All charges were later dismissed, but the city refused to respond to repeated requests from the national guardsman to return the $10,000 worth of property seized during a traffic stop.

After The Washington Times highlighted this case, his congressional representatives -- Sen. Lindsey Graham, Sen. Jim DeMint and Rep. Tim Scott -- got involved.

Mr. Graham wrote to Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier to demand the guns be returned to his constituent immediately.

On Friday, May 18, MPD Property Clerk Derek Gray ruled that the guns should be sent to a police department in Charleston “next week.”

By Thursday, May 24, with one day to go until the deadline, the guns had not arrived. Lt. Kim’s attorney, Richard Gardiner, could not get an answer about when they were sending it from the evidence department.

I asked MPD Spokesman Gwendolyn Crump about the status. She responded two hours later that the guns, “will be delivered to the Charleston County Sheriff's Office by Saturday.”

In a last-minute effort to make the deadline, MPD paid the shipping cost for priority overnight Saturday FedEx delivery.

The department should have saved the taxpayers’ money because the Forensic Services Service department in the Charleston County Sheriff's office was closed on the weekend. Since Monday was Memorial Day, the soldier was not able to pick up his personal guns

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2012; 57states; assholecop; banglist; bloodoftyrants; cathylanier; corruption; dc; democrats; donutwatch; fraud; govtabuse; gun; kim; lanier; leofascism; mediawingofthednc; mymuslimfaith; partisanmediashills; policestate; rapeofliberty; tyranny
Emily Miller is becoming one of the best gun reporters in the country.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 4:14:26 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

She’s fearless! Andy Parks has her on his show a couple of times each week, and she really knows how to stick it to the DC tinhorn dictators.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 4:20:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: marktwain

I think I’d be suing the DC police department.
The guns have been ruined for resale value and the markings were not done in accordance with department policy.
This is exactly what I’d expect from DC finest thugs.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 4:29:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Lt. Augustine Kim would have to stand in line. The MPD is facing multiple suits all the time.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 4:39:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: marktwain

While it is routine practice for cops to engrave their initials on seized firearms, they are supposed to do it in accordance with their agency’s policy.

In this case, someone ignored the policy detailed in an internal MPD directive that says evidence should be marked “in a manner that does not deface or alter its appearance.”




5 posted on 06/18/2012 4:46:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: marktwain

It’s time to move the capitol to free American territory, Washington D.C. has been captured and occupied by the enemy.


6 posted on 06/18/2012 5:01:15 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BuffaloJack

I’d like to know why DC is engraving on the firearms in the first place. There is no reason to do so legally, forensically, or otherwise.

If I were that LT. I’d make them buy him one for one, new guns.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 5:12:14 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: marktwain

Does Congress not administer D.C.?

This cess pit of totalitarian control needs to be pulled up short.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 5:14:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain
Totalitarianism and union thugs is the result of electing democrats. What you see is what you get. Until individual cops and their supervisors are fired and /or arrested for intentional violation of the rules and/or laws they will continue with their gestapo ways!!
9 posted on 06/18/2012 5:34:36 AM PDT by ontap
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To: marktwain
D.C. = District of CRIMINALS
10 posted on 06/18/2012 5:52:37 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: marktwain

So what? Even if they get sued it will be the taxpayers that pick up the tab.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 5:56:08 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: BuffaloJack
The guns have been ruined for resale value and the markings were not done in accordance with department policy.

I dunno, the guns, with copies of the letters from the Senators and related newspaper articles, might command a premium.

12 posted on 06/18/2012 6:00:35 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

Actually he should sue the officer who did the marking. Would be interesting to see if the Department provided defense for him violating their policies.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:06:30 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: BCR #226

> If I were that LT. I’d make them buy him one for one, new guns.

That might be the wrong approach.
I purchased a firearm in 1982 for $399.
I could purchase another of the same model number (but different internal design) right now for about $700.
Because of design features that were removed from the model I own sometime between its purchase and now, my gun is worth more.
I have actually been offered $3000 for it by a gun dealer.
It’s too bad I lost it last summer in a canoe accident.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 6:17:59 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: Kadric

I agree, don’t sue the department, sue the offending officer to ensure the money comes out of his pockets and not the city’s.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 6:29:47 AM PDT by XXXoholic
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To: Fido969

“So what? Even if they get sued it will be the taxpayers that pick up the tab.”


You bring up a great point that we all just seem to accept and never challenge.

If the voting public would attend town hall meetings during the primary season and challenge the candidates to promise to work to change the protection given government employees some of this crap might change.

It was not the taxpayers who damaged the gun but some government thug. That thug should be on the hook first and the taxpayers second if at all.


16 posted on 06/18/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: marktwain
Well, the condition of these weapons is pretty dismal to begin with. I'd be ashamed to call those mine...

That being said, if my weapons were returned with permanent brag-tags like that, there would be some hell to pay.

17 posted on 06/18/2012 7:25:01 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: BCR #226

The engraving requirement is insane.

It is a taking without compensation.

It is a presumption of guilt.


18 posted on 06/18/2012 7:32:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

They never expected anyone outside the PD to ever see the guns again so they didn’t care if their markings violated policy or not.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 7:33:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: SampleMan

“Does Congress not administer D.C.?”

Nope. D.C. got home rule in 1973. Thus able to elect POSes like Marion Berry.


20 posted on 06/18/2012 8:00:55 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bjorn14
This is what I found concerning administration.

Article One, Section Eight of the United States Constitution grants the U.S. Congress "exclusive jurisdiction" over the city. The District did not have an elected municipal government until the passage of the 1973 Home Rule Act. The Act devolved certain Congressional powers to a local government administered by an elected mayor and a thirteen-member Council of the District of Columbia. However, Congress retains the right to review and overturn laws created by the council and intervene in local affairs.

Thus, unless the Constitution is amended, Congress has ultimate say. Of course we need a Congress with the stones to do it.

21 posted on 06/18/2012 8:13:17 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Wurlitzer

should come out of their union funds, not taxpayers.


22 posted on 06/18/2012 8:13:17 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Wurlitzer

It was not the taxpayers who damaged the gun but some government thug. . . . . .
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Only partially right, the taxpayers, the citizens of DC elected the Mayor who hired the police chief who hired the cop and did nothing about the delay of 2 years to give the guns back. The tax payers of DC need to pay higher taxes because of the mistakes of their employees. Perhaps then they might hire a better mayor, police chief, etc.


23 posted on 06/18/2012 8:22:01 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

Disagree completely! When we elect people we elect them to do a job and do it properly. We expect them to take an oath to do that job and support the constitution.

Unless you can prove the people of DC deliberately elected an official who would work against the constitution and other local laws the responsibility resides exclusively with the government scum who did this.

If we continue to allow anyone to hide behind someone or some government entity these situations will continue forever. Taxpayers did not take or deface his property but some government slug sure did. Fine the slug then fire them.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 9:00:59 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: marktwain

The DC gun laws are, of course, unconstitutional and reflect a tyrannical spirit.

It’s important for patriots to recognize, however, that there is only one legitimate authority in the District of Columbia, defined clearly in Article I§8: “[Congress shall have the power] To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States”.

EXCLUSIVE legislation. IN ALL CASES WHATSOEVER.

So, seeking redress from the DC government is pissing up a rope. Those clowns haven’t a shred of authority. Go to the source.


25 posted on 06/18/2012 4:04:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: marktwain

Wow. DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier’s salary is reportedly 250K a year.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 4:25:54 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
RE: your tagline

Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time

Wow! Seriously?

27 posted on 06/18/2012 5:00:42 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Iron Munro
[They never expected anyone outside the PD to ever see the guns again so they didn’t care if their markings violated policy or not.]

Right. They planned to stall until Lt. Kim gave up and went away. Then the collection would have been distributed like spoils of war. Some weapons would probably end up on the street.

28 posted on 06/18/2012 6:02:09 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: marktwain
These are the same police and gubment officials who loudly complain that they don't get no respect.

Why should the average citizen have respect for the law, when the average gubment lackey has none?

29 posted on 06/18/2012 8:33:34 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It’s disgraceful what the faux-soldiers did to the Real McCoy.


30 posted on 06/18/2012 9:34:11 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: COBOL2Java
A plastic tie strap, plastic tag, and a Sharpie is all that's needed to properly label a gun. Of course that would make borrowing it slightly inconvenient.

If you are ever offered the choice of keeping your gun in an armory, don't. They get used, lost, or damaged worse than those.

31 posted on 06/18/2012 11:34:44 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: marktwain
Similar scenario happened to my mother in Florida. My sister, an adult (and a 1st class idiot), caused a bit of a domestic scene that neighbors reported to the cops. The cops confiscated my mother's 1950's Browning 2 shot semi auto 12 GA trap / skeet gun for no lawful reason.

My mother being in her late 60's tried to get it back numerous times. There was always someone else in another department and another location with another form to fill out (like find a receipt to prove you purchased the gun 50 years ago in another state).

She finally gave up trying to get it back. I suspect some clepto cop eyed a rare Browning and took it for his own collection - bastards. We didn't have a senator step up to make the cops give our heirloom back. I learned how to shoot on the gun and it was supposed to stay in the family, passed from one crack shot to the next.

32 posted on 06/19/2012 12:49:30 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Iron Munro

“They never expected anyone outside the PD to ever see the guns again so they didn’t care if their markings violated policy or not.”

Somebody was marking dibs on their future drop gun.


33 posted on 06/19/2012 2:16:27 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: BuffaloJack; All

Damn canoes!!! ;-)


34 posted on 06/19/2012 4:31:05 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: uncommonsense; All
The cops confiscated my mother's 1950's Browning 2 shot semi auto 12 GA trap / skeet gun for no lawful reason.

I have ceased being surprised at how common this sort of legalized theft has become. I first learned of it about 15 years ago when I was teaching Arizona CCW classes. Los Angeles police had an "informal" policy that any gun they came across, no matter what, was confiscated, and only returned if the owner got a court order for them to do so.

As the liberal judges in Los Angeles had a policy of not giving court orders for the return of firearms, and the attempt would cost hiring a lawyer for a couple of thousand dollars, it became legalized theft on a large scale.

Over the years, I have found that it happens all over the country on a fairly regular basis, though in most places a court order to return the firearm can be obtained with far less problems than in LA.

35 posted on 06/19/2012 4:35:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: BuffaloJack

I think I’d be suing the DC police department.


That should be the PIG department.


36 posted on 06/19/2012 10:35:06 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: houeto

Rush Limbaugh frequently ends his sentences with prepositions, just like Winston Churchill used to. Aside from that they’ve got NOTHING in common. I like Rush but to compare him to Churchill gravely diminshes the accomplishments of the once Prime Minister.


37 posted on 06/19/2012 10:46:54 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: MeganC

“This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.”

Or words to that effect.


38 posted on 06/19/2012 11:01:53 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: BuffaloJack

“It’s too bad I lost it last summer in a canoe accident.”
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It is amazing how many of us gun owners are simply unable to use a small boat or canoe without turning it over and dumping everything. I’ll bet it happened in very deep water with a soft mud bottom too.


39 posted on 06/19/2012 2:25:11 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: marktwain

The victim

40 posted on 06/19/2012 2:51:04 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Altariel

[It’s disgraceful what the faux-soldiers did to the Real McCoy.]

They don’t know they’re faux-soldiers. They believe they’ve answered the highest calling—protecting us from our own darker side.


41 posted on 06/19/2012 4:47:03 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: uncommonsense

Your poor mother; I am so sorry they stole her Browning gun.

How many years ago was it stolen from her?


42 posted on 06/19/2012 8:07:05 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SampleMan

Of course Congress will never take it back because that would be racist.


43 posted on 06/20/2012 8:38:55 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Altariel
"How many years ago was it stolen from her?

Thank you. The cops stole her gun about 5 years ago and she passed away a year ago.

From our homes, to the open road, to the air ways - we're in an ever growing police state that has endless resources to harass and control - with no accountability at any level, or penalties for misconduct.

44 posted on 06/20/2012 3:01:56 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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