Skip to comments.Rubio’s Take on DREAM ‘by Fiat’
Posted on 06/18/2012 10:01:52 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative
Senator Marco Rubio of Florida tells National Review Online that President Obamas executive order on immigration is part of a growing consensus in American politics about the children of illegal immigrants, but he is troubled by the presidents lawmaking by fiat.
There is a growing sentiment in America about these kids, Rubio says. If you were four years old when your parents brought you here illegally, and you have grown up here your whole life and dont even speak Spanish, and you are your high schools valedictorian, you have a lot to contribute to our future. It kind of feels weird to deport you.
Rubio acknowledges that his position on illegal immigration will not please every member of his party. But he believes that he can still be an opponent of illegal immigration while working to help the children of illegal immigrants to avoid deportation. Immigration is not a black and white issue, he says. Its a complicated issue. Complicated issues require careful solutions. On one hand, we want to help these kids, but we also do not want to do anything to encourage illegal immigration.
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Rubio is a major disappointment.
What Rubio said is probably factual, too many Americans are tugged by the heartstrings to welcome an invasion of illegals propped up by their children. But in not taking the hardline position, folks like you use the issue as a wedge to suppress turnout and foster hatred of Milt Rominy.
What Rubio mouthed is probably factual, but it doesn't make him a candidate for the veep position because he is no better than the current oval orifice occupant, lacking in experience for the job at hand.
BTW, don't you agree with Rube that it is not the authority of the pres_ _ent to grant amnesty by fiat, end around fraud through the Just Us department run by the thug HOlder?
Dunno ‘bout that, but he sure is handing ammo to the “There is not a dime’s worth of difference...” beliefs that some of us hold...
We should expect now a million or more valedictorians roaming around without risk of deportation. What a plus for American society [/sarc].
Someone needs to point out that kids ALWAYS suffer from the bad decisions of their parents.
Most criminals’ kids don’t have anything when Dad/Mom get taken away to jail. When an embezzler is caught, all of sudden all the assets are gone and the rest of the family moves from the Hamptons to a tenement in the Bronx.
Life isn’t fair. It isn’t my job to make life fair. My life wasn’t fair. It is my job to deal with the cards I was dealt as best as I can (which I have doe and quite well). My gratitude is in supporting charities that I think do the most good for the most people and in being a good citizen.
Don’t put the unfairness of the world as a yoke on the American people. Breaking the law should never be rewarded.
And Rubio is off my Christmas Card (and future support) list.
Barack Obama is really smart.
He’s managed to take an unconstitutional move, and by doing so turn conservatives against the republican candidates.
He’s caused a split on our side by doing something illegal, making it easier for him to win.
We really are the stupid party. Or at least, some of us are.
And I don’t mean Rubio.
Notice he uses the straw dog ‘deport’ as all who promote amnesty do.
The relevant issues are :
1) Work visas (as Obama is giving them) with high unemployment
2) Entitlement to government handouts as with legal immigrants.
3) Path to citizenship and a vote as in Rubio's plan.
If Rubio addressed his position on those I might take him seriously; but those are not 'feel good' topics.
You got that right!
“If you were four years old when your parents brought you here illegally, and you have grown up here your whole life and dont even speak Spanish, and you are your high schools valedictorian, you have a lot to contribute to our future...”
So tell me Marco, how many such cases there are in America...
Here we go again, NEVER be honest about how corrupt our candidates are. Just let them screw our nation into the dirt, so the Democrats won’t get the credit.
Just damn! Will we never learn?
If Romney wants Conservative support, he damn well better change his spots.
I will never vote for a McCain or a Romney. As far as I am concerned the Republican party is dead to me. We can try to enhance the Conservative position in the House and the Senate, but the White House is lost to Conservatives this year no matter what.
You need to accept reality.
Unlikely as a Latino:
|Status dropout rates of 16- through 24-year-olds in the civilian, noninstitutionalized population, by race/ethnicity: Selected years, 1980-2009|
|White||Black||Hispanic||Asian/Pacific Islander||American Indian/Alaska Native|
“Senator Marco Rubio of Florida tells National Review Online that President Obamas executive order on immigration is part of a ‘growing consensus’......
You are wrong you Cuban Marxist.
Go back to your parents’ homeland and go work for the Castro bothers.
By the way, I read here on FR a few weeks ago or less he has made political exaggerations/lies about his personal life to make himself look like something special.
Sorry, I did not save the post. Maybe somebody did and would like to share it again.
OK, OK, Senator Rubio, I get it.
Let's make a deal.
Every illegal mestizo who is both a high school valedictorian (legitimately appointed) AND who can, by oral examination, convince a panel appointed from the faculty of CalTech and MIT that they "have a lot to contribute to our future" can stay, as long as you support deportation within three months for all the others.
And you spittle that I need to accept reality? ... You have posed the refutation to your own assertions! If there is nothing to be done about the choice of Rominy or little bastard commie, then why not vote for the removal of the commie while voting for as many real conservatives as you can find on your ballot? I mean, this holier than thou approach is a suicide pact, or a lust to use all the prepper stuff you’ve stored up.
No surprise that “Anchor Baby” Rubio talks like a Democrat on this. “Growing consensus”? What the hell is that? A minority opinion that you hope will be the majority someday maybe, but that’s not the same as a law.
“3) Path to citizenship and a vote as in Rubio’s plan.”
“by doing so turn conservatives against the republican candidates.”
That would imply the opposition was not a pre-existing condition.
What’s complicated about it? Enforce the d*** law.
I completely agree.... excellent post.
You are a moron.
Your car is either going to wind up with no transmission or no wheels shortly after the next election, and you waste your time arguing that we need to save the wheels, because without wheels the car is useless.
I am going to continue to address Romney policies I see as destructive to our nation. I will also continue to trash Obama for his insanity.
Now you can continue to throw a hissy-fits every time someone trashes Romney policy, or accept that his policies are as detrimental to our nation as they are.
I’m going to blister him with truth. Brace yourself!
1) Obama’s decree was not limited to kids. Any illegal alien under 30 was included.
2) Since most illegals don’t possess an ID, anyone under 45 could pass for under 30.
3) No one is going to leave a child here while deporting their parent(s).
Marco RUBE-E-O: this is a get out of jail free card for nearly everyone who is here illegally. You are an idiot.
Thanks for the Peewee Herman response.
“Ah, I know you, but what am I?”
But when asked at a briefing Thursday with English-language reporters if his plan would create a pathway to citizenship, Rubio insisted it wouldn't.
“I think the key difference is it doesn't create a special pathway for citizenship and thereby leads to illegal chain migration,” he said of the distinctions between his plan and the Democratic DREAM Act. “What it does it only puts them in the same position as any other holder of a non-immigrant visa, which is the opportunity to avail themselves of the existing legal immigration system whatever that system is at that time when they access it.”
Democratic leadership aides said Friday that Rubio seemed to be playing up the citizenship piece with Spanish-language press and downplaying it with English-language media.
But Rubio’s office on Friday strongly denied that was the case.
Alex Conant, a Rubio spokesman, said Friday that “there is nothing in his proposal that would prevent these kids from eventually becoming citizens. But unlike the current DREAM Act, it does not create special pathway to citizenship. If these kids want to become citizens, they would have to go through the same process as anyone else and wait in line.”
Under current law, children of illegal immigrants would have to go back to their country of origin before being awarded the appropriate visas through the U.S. immigration system. Rubio’s plan would allow certain children brought to the country illegally who have since completed high school or military service and don't have a criminal record to stay in the United States while accessing the existing immigration system, eventually giving them a chance to become naturalized citizens.
Anti-immigration activists call this a two-step process to “amnesty.” But Rubio says his proposal won't affect future entrants to the country, just the children who are here now, made the United States their home and now show promise.”
"Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings
...it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the numbers of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it."
-- Patrick Henry, Give me liberty or give me death speech
Well I’m so glad I could break the frown from your face. Spittle on, spittle on
Thanks EternalVigilance. It is so sad to watch folks I generally respect roll over on important issues.
Illegal immigration is poised to turn this nation on it’s head. In reaction, we as Republicans are asked to remain muted to advance our cause.
Un fricken believable...
I understand what Rubio said and I “feel” some of it myself.
However, people of all ages who are here illegally have their own country. It is not inhumane to return them to it. It’s not their “fault” but it’s also not our fault. Blame your parents and work to get back in legally.
Oh but God forbid the parents should actually be responsible for their actions!
It actually makes no sense to judge a family’s legality based on their 15 y/o kid but why should anything make sense.
To say the least, it is worthy of note to watch people circulate the forum dropping s—t bombs regarding our players and their take on illegal immigration matters, accuse someone else of spittling on.
“Go back to your parents homeland and go work for the Castro bothers.”
“By the way, I read here on FR a few weeks ago or less he has made political exaggerations/lies about his personal life to make himself look like something special.”
There are very good arguments one can make against Rubio’s bill, but you don’t seem to know any, if your ad hominem attacks and insults are all that you see fit to post.
I wonder what the ratio of valedictorians to gang bangers is
Losing credibility fast with this sort of positon, must be drinking from McCain’s bottle.
It is sad to acknowledge that too many of our fellow Americans are more than willing to set the law aside when the democrats and the fifth column media stroke ther emotions. We have a poster on this very thread spittling as fast as she can type because she’s been manipulated into irrational response.
In this case Romney clearly lied his way to nomination taking the most anti-illegal stances against Perry and Newt (’self deportation’), and now after winning it he is a new Romney (same as the old lib Romney) who yesterday wouldn't even say if he would reverse Obama’s move, but implied he wouldnt(’self deportation’ is history) . Romney played the most conservative when he was the most liberal.
Need to keep a close eye on him
There is no damn “growing consensus” about the children of these criminals, unless it is that NONE of them should ever become legal, and that the children should go back with their parents or drug mules.
Rubio is McCain v.2.
Yes in deed, We The People need to remove little barry and then keep a close and restrictive eye on Milt Rominy. It will be refreshing to have more folks actually exercising their sovereign responsibilities instead of trusting the Bushes to take care of things. Of course, Milt is such a disgusting man he might yet pick ‘the Jeb’ as his veep! If that happens, I doubt I’ll have any hair left for the midterm elections.
Oh, please. There is no way to prove who is “here now” and who comes in to take advantage of more freebies courtesy of the few taxpayers who are left.
I am so glad I saw through Rubio from the start.
I am at a loss with the republicans... they insist on handing BHO a victory at every turn...
They don’t mind if we keep our eye on him. We’re just supposed to keep our yap shut if we see something bad.
From here on out Romney could dismantle this nation down to the cornerstones, and we’ll be framed as the enemies of Conservatism if we address it.
Remain silent regarding Romney?
I don't try to tell people who to vote for when the situation/choice is this bad but I suggest we not let the MA lib believe our vote is ‘in the bag’ or by election day we will have two Obama’s on the ballot.
Just by nature of being the head of the ONLY opposition party (RINO party) Romney can do much damage that Obama can't. I will probably decide my vote very late like I did in 2008. This stinks to all hell to chooose between a liberal (MR)and progressive (0).
Remember RNC Steele who now works for MSNBC ? He was a disaster.
Have you been getting my Romney pings lately? My mission is to expose EVERY reversal of his primary conservative positions. We knew this was coming,
I think this one we are in 100% agreement on.
Havent we met someplace before ? :) A Bush thread maybe..
So, as I wrote, Rubio’s bill doesn’t create a path to citizenship.
I don’t support Rubio’s bill. However, I must admit that it is very politically astute of him to introduce such a bill, since it (i) takes away from the pro-amnesty folks the only good poster children they have and (ii) doesn’t create a path to citizenship, which the Democrat DREAM Act does. Obama agrees that Rubio’s bill is brilliant politics, which is why he’s trying to keep it from coming to the Senate floor. And I think that we should debate this issue based on the facts, and facing realities, not by using slogans such as “RINO!” and “amnesty!” when such terms are not applicable.