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Why public's opinions on Zimmerman is shifting
Jewish World Review ^ | June 18, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 06/18/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by imardmd1

SANFORD, Fla. — (MCT) For weeks, the death of Trayvon Martin, the investigations it launched and the civil rights rallies it spurred were the most important news stories in the country, according to pollsters. At least six news organizations or polling companies did surveys. What they documented, in general, was that people were fascinated and outraged by the Feb. 26 death of the unarmed 17-year-old and angry at the shooter, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman. Two sets of findings, though, stand out: Although it was the No. 1 story in the country overall, twice as many blacks as whites singled it out as the country's most important story, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. And as time has passed and more evidence has been released, people's feelings about Zimmerman have eased. In late March, while people were still marching in the streets demanding his arrest, 33 percent of the country believed Zimmerman was guilty of murder, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. ... (see the rest at the source)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; martin; opinion; profiling; saintskittles; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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Perhaps the racist baiters are losing ground with both MSM and black population segment. Back in the '40s, when zoot suits were indicative of association with criminal elements, one did not choose that attire to be generally above suspicion. In the '50s, leather jackets and ducktails; now, hoodies. If you want a profile, don't seek a questionable appearance and attire.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 11:07:59 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: imardmd1

I for one never had a personal opinion on Zimmerman. I figure the justice system will clear things up. I am truly disgusted with the media - their choosing sides and assuming guilt before trial.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 11:13:00 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: imardmd1

It exposed some serious stealth racist leftists here, that’s for sure.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: imardmd1

While I do believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and his prosecution is political, I am extremely disappointed to learn he and his wife were skimming money donated for his legal defense to pay their credit card bills and her student loans.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: tsowellfan

Well, it certainly looked like at the start of this mess, Sanford’s finest believed Mr. Zimmerman’s account. He was hauled into the station and shortly thereafter freed. And it would have stayed that way if racial grievance mongers, going clear up to “my son would have looked like that” Barack Obama, hadn’t jumped on the story accusing Mr. Zimmerman of some sort of anti-Negro jihad.


5 posted on 06/18/2012 11:16:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: tsowellfan

Such vile is the way of the Main Stream Urinalaists.


6 posted on 06/18/2012 11:19:06 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Hugin
I am extremely disappointed to learn he and his wife were skimming money donated for his legal defense to pay their credit card bills and her student loans.

As am I. That puts them on the same moral footing as Trayvon's mother who trademarked her dead son's name for use on some future fresh def gear yo'.

7 posted on 06/18/2012 11:19:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Hugin

You’d think that if there was a time to be above reproach, this would be it. If they wanted general donations they should have asked. I don’t think it necessarily impugns his case in the Trayvon altercation, but still. That’s not the way to thank your friends across America.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 11:19:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: imardmd1

The increased racial division in this country pains me. There was a time I thought we were going to get beyond that. These past 3.5 years, things have only gotten worse.


9 posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:28 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Hugin

“While I do believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and his prosecution is political, I am extremely disappointed to learn he and his wife were skimming money donated for his legal defense to pay their credit card bills and her student loans.”

What makes you trust and believe some media reports over others?


10 posted on 06/18/2012 11:21:13 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: keats5

And here Barack Obama was supposed to be the great proof that America could be color blind. And instead of showing the magnanimous spirit of MLK, he goes and throws that notion in the toilet.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 11:22:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin

And what pray tell is Zimmerman supposed to do after losing his job and being unable to work? Lose everything he has and go bankrupt? That money was raised to help him out; nothing wrong with him using it to pay bills. If he comes out of this acquitted, but ruined financially, then the bastards will have still won. I suspect that’s what the judge and dingbat prosecutor had in mind when they made this as issue.


12 posted on 06/18/2012 11:23:56 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: treetopsandroofs
What makes you trust and believe some media reports over others?

Because they've been playing the tapes of the actual conversaions where he and his wife talk about how to do it on FOX this morning.

13 posted on 06/18/2012 11:25:55 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Edward Teach

Maybe it sounds impossibly picky to you, but I’d have modified the public appeal to make it plain there were other areas in which I needed help because the brouhaha had caused me to be fired. Getting accused of fraud wouldn’t help.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 11:27:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Edward Teach
And what pray tell is Zimmerman supposed to do after losing his job and being unable to work?

What you don't do is put up a website that proclaims every nickel will be used for legal fees the use them for something else. That's fraud. And you don't go to court and lie about how much you have. That's perjury, which his wife now faces charges for doing. Talk about digging yourself in deeper.

15 posted on 06/18/2012 11:30:08 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well if you’d be able to think that rationally and clearly, with a trumped-up murder charge, being hounded by the lying media, and with an angry black mob howling for your head forcing you into hiding, then you’re a better man than most.


16 posted on 06/18/2012 11:31:23 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Edward Teach

THAT’S ONE REASON WHY THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY DAMMIT


17 posted on 06/18/2012 11:32:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Edward Teach

IF THEY WON’T USE THE ATTORNEY — WHO WOULD NEVER IN A THOUSAND YEARS GIVE THE NOD TO THIS SORT OF SKIMMING — THEN THEY ARE FOOLS


18 posted on 06/18/2012 11:34:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I find it extremely interesting that so many here are suddenly so concerned about Z’s improprieties regarding money that was sent to him TO HELP HIM.

To tell me that F*O*X played some tapes about Z discussing how to spend some money makes me think that the words “Zimmerman is GUILTY” would have been preferred to have been said.

Like FOX is some authority on the matter.

I’ve seen a lot of stealthy Hussein Heads reveal themselves on this case, and it’s quite interesting how judgmental people suddenly become over the money issue, since the government has failed so miserably — AND IN THIS CASE.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 11:34:57 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: imardmd1
Jewish World Review

Many Jews seem to be sympathetic to George because Zimmerman implies Jewish roots.

20 posted on 06/18/2012 11:35:23 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: treetopsandroofs

DAMMIT HE MADE A PUBLIC PROMISE ABOUT WHAT THE “HELP” WOULD GO TO. NOTHING’S STOPPING HIM FROM BROADENING THE APPEAL.

I’M RIGHTLY BROWNED OFF BECAUSE HE AND SHE HAS BEEN KEEPING SOME OF THAT MONEY FROM HELPING THE COURT CASE!!


21 posted on 06/18/2012 11:37:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Edward Teach

I think the knee-jerk Hussein Heads have now found something other than “Zimmerman is GUILTY” to harp about.

Now it’s all about the finances to “prove” Z AND NOW HIS WIFE are *GUILTY*!


22 posted on 06/18/2012 11:38:01 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Reeses

It’s not clear to me if this is a staff writer or syndicated writer. JWR carries syndicated conservative columnists.


23 posted on 06/18/2012 11:39:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He (or his wife if you will) “purjured” themselves before a court that has allowed itself to be prostituted by political and racial interests. Such a court is no longer worthy of receiving truthful information.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 11:40:05 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Hugin

Did the original website - the one under dispute right now - not include something to the effect that the money would also be used for living expenses? Are payments on ongoing debts not living expenses?


25 posted on 06/18/2012 11:40:14 AM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: imardmd1

It amazes me that people on this thread who now admit that Zimmerman acted in self-defense are now bitching about how he spends his defense fund. Talk about sheepishly following the left-wing media.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 11:41:13 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The original website said the money would also be used for living expenses. Perhaps you should calm down and start behaving rationally.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 11:42:23 AM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Hugin; stuartcr

“Because they’ve been playing the tapes of the actual conversaions where he and his wife talk about how to do it on FOX this morning.”

Very interesting capitalization of “FOX” like they are some authority.

An erroneous assumption made by many MANY ignorant left wing Hussein Heads....

1. That Fox is Right Wing
2. Right Wingers will believe “FOX” (with caps, of course).

I busted a serious Hussein Head here a few days ago doing the same thing about Fox, telling someone here to stop getting their news from Fox.

I’ve even copied him here, as is “appropriate”.


28 posted on 06/18/2012 11:42:51 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Oh good grief. How would you feel if you went to his web site, saw the promise it would go to his legal costs, donated with that in mind, and then saw this report. Would you be gladdened in your heart? Or a bit miffed? (Knowing you could always mail him some money directly if that's what you had in mind.)

This is not an uncorrectable mistake, but it's going to give him a higher public relations hill to climb. I certain ain't being an Obama head here, and I lament that the MSM is giving very little coverage to the fact that, by all publicly visible evidence, Tray was a druggie in spades.

29 posted on 06/18/2012 11:43:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Echo4C

I am answering based on what has been shown. A screen capture of that “original” site (what happened to it and when?) would be quite helpful. And if it changed, then by cracky it no longer applies. And no phone calls of planning would have been needed; this ought to have gone on through the attorney.


30 posted on 06/18/2012 11:45:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Unless you think they edited the tapes, why would that matter? Whether this was Air America (well that’s gone, so NPR) or Rush Limbaugh, the content would be no different.


31 posted on 06/18/2012 11:47:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin
I am extremely disappointed to learn he and his wife were skimming money donated for his legal defense to pay their credit card bills and her student loans.

The weren't skimming. That's what the donations were for. The donations were solicited for not just legal expenses but also for living expenses. Check his website. Would you want him to fail to pay his bills and go delinquent or file for bankruptcy in the midst of all of this???

32 posted on 06/18/2012 11:49:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Edward Teach

Yeah, lie before a court which lies will continue to bubble up with all appeals, even to the USSC if that’s where it hits. Very very smart!


33 posted on 06/18/2012 11:49:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So you mean you were flying off the handle based on a false premise? Perhaps you should do a little research.

This isn’t a screen capture, but it’s an article on the original website, which quotes the original text from the website:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/george-zimmerman-launches-website-soliciting-donations-via-paypal-223721709.html


34 posted on 06/18/2012 11:49:50 AM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: imardmd1
Where's the trial?

I'm sure if they can delay it another 10 weeks, or months, the politically motivated prosecutors in Florida can dig up some more financial and other information to discredit them. Maybe they had a dog they failed to license.

Perhaps digging into their taxes going back 10 years, they can find something discrediting.

35 posted on 06/18/2012 11:50:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Uncle Chip

There is a controversy, whether in this teapot or larger, about what was asked for and when and how.

Can anyone bring out some truth and some facts. I’m now saying truth is not ascertainable.


36 posted on 06/18/2012 11:50:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin
While I do believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and his prosecution is political, I am extremely disappointed to learn he and his wife were skimming money donated for his legal defense to pay their credit card bills and her student loans.

Me too.

However, in our disappointment we should not lose sight of the fact that George Zimmerman and his wife skimming off some of the money that was donated for his legal defense, while unfortunate and a poor character reflection, does not make him guilty of Second Degree murder, which is what is at the core of the Zimmerman/Martin case. Well that and his 'conviction' by the corrupt, biased media.

37 posted on 06/18/2012 11:51:13 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Echo4C

Stating the life of the website? Or what replaced it and when? There must be more detail my friend and others here are disagreeing with the propriety of it.


38 posted on 06/18/2012 11:52:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin

re: skimming

It all depends on how you look at it. The guy can’t work and his bills are still due. I don’t know that the donations were restricted to legal bills. I thought it was to support the guy and his family.

My other thought would be, if it was me, is, “I might as well pay all this crap off. If I have no idea whether or not I’m going to go to jail or work again at least I won’t have debt collectors hounding me and my family.” So, as long as the guy wasn’t partying with the money I think its reasonable to pay bills.


39 posted on 06/18/2012 11:53:50 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: dragnet2

Mitt Romney, where are you? Miiiiii-iiiiit???


40 posted on 06/18/2012 11:54:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’M RIGHTLY BROWNED OFF BECAUSE HE AND SHE HAS BEEN KEEPING SOME OF THAT MONEY

Suddenly, the case is all about finances. They should dig really deep, check their school records and back taxes.

41 posted on 06/18/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: treetopsandroofs
I capitalize FOX becuase that's how they spell it. Probably because broadcast netwroks have traditionally had three capital letter names. I'm not presenting them as any authority. Don't have to when they are playing a tape.

The left tried to present Martin as St. Trevon, and now you are trying to portray Zimmerman and his wife as such. You can look back at my posts and I've been very supportive of him. But I'm not going to make excuses for him bilking the very people who tried to help him. If things were that bad they could have added another section to the website asking for donations for people to help out personally. Instead they tried to pull a fast one. GZ may quite conceivably be acquitted of all charges with regard to the shooting, and end up convicted of fraud, and his wife of fraud and perjury.

42 posted on 06/18/2012 11:56:07 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: dragnet2

Tag writer, read yourself.


43 posted on 06/18/2012 11:56:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Go to the original website where the funds were solicited. What does it say they were for???


44 posted on 06/18/2012 11:58:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This is the website that became the subject of dispute with his original attorneys that quit - and were replaced later by Mark O’Mara. Most of the money Zimmerman has was raised by that website. The time that Zimmerman spent in jail - the period for which they’re releasing recorded calls of him from jail - is when that original website was operating. Mark O’Mara advised shutting it down when he learned of it, and a new website, under his direction, was set up.


45 posted on 06/18/2012 11:59:32 AM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Edward Teach

Relax, the serious Hussein Heads couldn’t help themselves and have outed themselves again over this.

Notice how their entire outlook on the case has SUDDENLY allegedly changed over the finances, and because of FOX (with caps) and realize they’ve been just looking for another reason to say “Zimmerman is GUILTY”.


46 posted on 06/18/2012 11:59:55 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Uncle Chip
The weren't skimming. That's what the donations were for.

Wrong. The website specifically primised that "every nickel" would go to legal expesnses. That's fraud, however you rationalize it.

47 posted on 06/18/2012 12:00:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: treetopsandroofs; Hugin

“What makes you trust and believe some media reports over others?”

The transcripts of SZ/GZ conversation were posted last week showing their conversation about paying-off CCs and other unrelated expenses, from the defense fund. I cringed when I read that from the prosecutor’s office, since it was used to charge SZ with perjury and not embezzlement/fraud.


48 posted on 06/18/2012 12:00:30 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No really...Everyone has dirt under their fingernails. The government needs to dig really deep to find more of it. It will only help their case. They should seize their computers and see what they reveal too.


49 posted on 06/18/2012 12:01:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hugin

Some are now saying that at some point, the website’s appeal was broader than just asking for legal expenses.

It could be muddier if the message changed (perhaps on legal advice) and there was no way of discerning what donations came through what version of the website.

I’d be steamed if I had approached a version of the website that asked for legal expenses alone, then found my money was just put in some big pot with “skimmable” funds and nobody was keeping track.

The matter deserves to be clarified. And maybe the judge IS being an ass, but that doesn’t relieve one from the duty of trying to conduct oneself as properly as possible, as things DO get bumped to appellate courts which hopefully are not as asinine.


50 posted on 06/18/2012 12:01:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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