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Why public's opinions on Zimmerman is shifting
Jewish World Review ^ | June 18, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 06/18/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by imardmd1

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To: HiTech RedNeck

[[And here Barack Obama was supposed to be the great proof that America could be color blind]]

Our ‘DEAR LEADER’ (capitalized because Narciosists are always less than pleased when titles don’t get ALL the recognition they ‘deserve’) has been nothign but a two-faced, bald-faced LIAR- He and the left have done NOTHING BUT try to divide this coutnry, Pkitting young agaisnt old, rich agaisnt poor, hispanics agaisnt hispanics, black against white, big business against small business, and our DEAR LEADER fueled racial hatred by statign what he did abotu trayvon, and he has done absolutely NOTHING to quell the ILLEGAL ACTIONS of tbhe new black panthers and theuir ilk

Dear Leader has LIED throyugh his teeth since taking office, and nearly every month he stuffs another new constitutionally ILLEGAL Executive fiat in our faces which further divides this coutnry and pits one race agaisnt another-

The saddest part of the whole hting is that this country has fallen for ghis blatant LIES over and over again


151 posted on 06/19/2012 9:45:02 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Hugin

[[Because they’ve been playing the tapes of the actual conversaions where he and his wife talk about how to do it on FOX this morning]]

But Yet, they haven’t been playing the video and audio tape that shows the judge refuised to allow zimmerman’;s wife to call the brother in law (who was in charge of the paypal accoutn at that point) to ask how much was in there- nor are they playing hte part where the judge wasn’t even sure wether he could include that account’s sum i nthe bond ruling?

What george and wide discussed has NO bearign on this case since the judge and prosecution neglected to do their duty by finding out hte legality of the issue BEFORE settign hte bond

http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_freevideo+%28RSS%3A+Video%29#/video/bestoftv/2012/04/27/bts-zimmerman-paypal-money.cnn


152 posted on 06/19/2012 9:49:28 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

And Barack Obama has some horrible faults, too!

Barack Obama has set the cause of a colorblind America behind a humongous eight ball. I hope he’s proud of himself. And I hope former Obama voters are saying shame on him, and that if fooled twice shame on themselves.


153 posted on 06/19/2012 9:52:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: CottShop

Where’s counsel in this picture? I thought O’Mara volunteered, or semi-volunteered (offered cut rate?). Is there a conflict with this judge, refusing to give fair consideration to O’Mara’s motions? This is sad but as the system is structured it will have to wait for a trial before the appellates can weigh in. Sometimes one might get the idea that the appellate court is watching, all facepalms, at this train wreck.


154 posted on 06/19/2012 9:55:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve been somewhat of a purist on this topic, and I still assert that I have at least five specs of brain left. ;^)

Of course this hasn’t been verified by an independent party.


155 posted on 06/19/2012 10:02:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My staunch support of Zimmerman was a reaction to watching the media, the angry mob, and by my perception the Justice Department was more than likely working it’s magic behind the scenes here.

If it is shown Zimmerman was truly at fault in this situation, and I don’t mean just not minding the police dispatcher, I’ll sign on to him doing time.

I believe a grand jury was called for here. I’m not convinced there is enough evidence to warrant what is going on now. We will see.


156 posted on 06/19/2012 10:07:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Reeses
Many Jews seem to be sympathetic to George because Zimmerman implies Jewish roots.

Zimmerman is Catholic. Back in VA, he used to be an altar boy. As anybody following the story would know.

157 posted on 06/19/2012 10:09:13 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DoughtyOne

Someone doesn’t need to be an alabaster saint in order to be worthy of backing their endeavors. I hope that is not the issue here, Doughty. I hope Zimmerman manages to successfully negotiate the challenges and gets not just exonerated but vindicated in the Trayvon matter.

But somehow it’s getting insinuated that there are some possible issues I *must* turn a blind eye to or else be ostracized. And if those are the terms, well I submit to the ostracism; I prefer that to being a blind ideologue for anybody, “right wing” or otherwise, short of Jesus Christ personally.


158 posted on 06/19/2012 10:11:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

[[Where’s counsel in this picture? I thought O’Mara volunteered, or semi-volunteered (offered cut rate?).]]

I hjave no idea- it boggles them idn that counsel is allowing hte press to try this case in public without offering to set the record straight- The prosecutor has NO problem spouting off at htem outh in public press meetings giving her opinion, and pattign herself on the back every oportunity she gets- but defense has been eerily silent through htis all- and I’m beginning to wonder if he’s brilliant enough to handle this case? He should, by all rights, be demolishing hte prosecutions FALSE claims adn outright LIES (which he kind of did when hte charges were4 brought agaisnt george and it was shown that law enforcement LIED and then tried to cover it up) but sicne then I’ve not heard a peep fro mthe defense as george gets ripped to shreds i nthe public mind thanks to unscroupulous media and a prosecution who is engaging in blatant prosecutorial misconduct- and last time I looked, it is a crime to conduct prosecutorial misconduct? Why is Corey even still on this case?

This case stibnks to high heaven- Granted, George is ‘acting stupidly’, however, his actions have NO bearign o nthe FACT that he HAD to defend himself with deadly force because a THUG was ontop of him trying to murder him- That is THE issue i nthis case, not whether George or his wife supoposedly lied to hte court or even tried to move money around- The judge had the responsibility to find otu whether the money in the paypal account could be conciderted personal income or not, and he and hte prosecution FAILED to find out, and now they are blamign THEIR mistake on wife? The judge esswentially absolved the wife of having to disclose the money i nthe paypal accouint when he told her it wasn’t necessary to call the brother in law- it was at that point that the judge took it upo0n himself to find out the legality of using that money as a determination for bond


159 posted on 06/19/2012 10:18:15 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Nobody, not even Hugin or I, ever said that his site NEVER read this way. That’s not the question! Is this how it always read?

So, how did his other site(s) read?

Was there a second site, feeding into a GZ Paypal account, with a different fund raising appeal?? We need links and screenshots.

The only other site I'm aware of is the one O'Mara put up, gzlegalcase.com. It's not relevant here, since it was set up after the events in question. However, on 1 May, it did post the following (emphasis added):

An independent administrator has been chosen to oversee the George Zimmerman Defense Fund. The third-party administrator is a former IRS agent, and currently works as a CPA with experience managing Chapter 7 Trustee Funds.

The legal defense fund, as initially envisioned by George Zimmerman, as stated on his now-closed website, was set up to provide for living expenses and to fund costs and legal fees associated with his defense. This will also be the purpose of the new legal defense fund.

The fund's administrator will have sole discretion regarding the dispersal of funds, and guidelines will be put in place to define reasonable living expenses for Mr. Zimmerman and his family and to fund necessary legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman nor The O’Mara Law Group will have direct access to the funds.

There will be a strict level of confidentiality regarding those who donate to the George Zimmerman Defense Fund as their active donating is regarded as a private event and does not open them to public scrutiny.

While we are recommending a level of transparency regarding the use of these funds, that transparency is most appropriately afforded to the donors, as they are the source of the funds utilized.


160 posted on 06/19/2012 10:25:47 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: CottShop

Maybe O’Mara and George Z. have agreed on a plan which involves letting Corey stink to the max in court, or running out the Obama clock until Mitt Romney becomes president, then if necessary calling on the appellates to fix the train wreck. Saying that trying to fight it otherwise is trying to fight a corrupt City Hall. However, O’Mara will need to begin putting in objections because that matters to the appellate court as well. Something not objected to may not be looked at by the appellate court as seriously, if at all.


161 posted on 06/19/2012 10:27:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: cynwoody

Not sure I can grok the meaning of all of this, but I’d be glad (not sad) to find out that I’d been mistaken... still, there might be a question about whether certain items were living expenses. I know the difference between living expenses and niceties having been forced on that choice myself. You may get annoyingly dunned by cards, but you choose to put food on your table, get utilities, and keep a roof over your head as long as possible.


162 posted on 06/19/2012 10:31:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

[[But somehow it’s getting insinuated that there are some possible issues I *must* turn a blind eye to or else be ostracized.]]

I’m certainly not sdaying that- I think George and His wife have ‘acted stupidly’ throughout this case (after the initial ‘arrest’), and I can certainly understand that folks who donated thinkign hte money was goign to be used exclusively o nthe trial are understandably upset abotu the zimms using it for other purposes- however, it does appear there was mention the $$ would also be used for personal expenses- but I think a majority of folks went to hte site emotionally charged, and may not have read everythign and had just donated ‘thinking’ that the moeny woudl go solely to defense.

I think most people wantec to trust george blindly, knowing that he is innocent, and didn’t think he could be so lame-braiend as to ‘talk in code’ apparently trying to hide the shuffling of money’, and our perceptions of george got rocked a little over this I think- and so emotions are goign to be higher for a bit- especially for htose hwo donated without knowing the money was goign tio all expenses- but we must remember, the KEY issue i nall this is not him or her ‘lying’ but whether george was right to defend himelf with deadly force agaisnt a thug who was hellbent on murdering him- let’s not lose sight of this FACT- A Man feared for his life, and he acted just like any one of us woudl have acted when someone began violently bashing our heads agaisnt a potentiall deadly object

The judge and prosecution dropped the ball o nthe bond issue- and wife was therefore udner no fuerther obkligation to mention ANY of hte moeny in the paypal account- As to her ‘lying’ by sayign they wetre4 deestitute? They were ifnact destitute without hte paypal funds, but even hte judge hismelf didn’t know whether it was legal to concider this fund as ‘personal income or assets’-

Hopefully, Zimm’s lawyer is brilliant enough to rip the prosecution to shreds over this issue, and ‘hopefully’ the judge will ‘reprimand’ the prosecution and warn them not to try stunts liek htis again


163 posted on 06/19/2012 10:31:44 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Oh, let there be no doubt: I’m saying good shoot, and I’m saying racist grievance monger political lynch job in bringing the accusations. The devil is in the details.


164 posted on 06/19/2012 10:34:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: imardmd1

When “Opinion” outweighs “Justice”, the Rule of Law becomes the Tyranny of Man.


165 posted on 06/19/2012 10:34:54 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Someone doesn’t need to be an alabaster saint in order to be worthy of backing their endeavors. I agree with that.

I hope that is not the issue here, Doughty. I don't believe it is for me. It's my intention to explain that I am not so invested in Zimmerman, that I would refuse to accept his guilt if something were revealed that indicated he was guilty.  I've even defended Zimmerman using donated funds to keep himself solvent once he and his wife encountered expenses related to hiding and him having his income stream cut off.  So I would say I have gone out of my way to cut the guy some slack.

I hope Zimmerman manages to successfully negotiate the challenges and gets not just exonerated but vindicated in the Trayvon matter.  I do too.  It will be disappointing to me if evidence of him launching improperly against Travon surfaces.  I don't think that's in the works here, but I'll have to watch how this plays out too.

But somehow it’s getting insinuated that there are some possible issues I *must* turn a blind eye to or else be ostracized. And if those are the terms, well I submit to the ostracism; I prefer that to being a blind ideologue for anybody, “right wing” or otherwise, short of Jesus Christ personally.  If my comments caused you to think that was the line of my reasoning, it wasn't intentional.  I don't believe that.  If you would like me to review something I said that caused you concern, just point it out. I'd be happy to address it.  I wish you would.

Take care bud.



166 posted on 06/19/2012 10:37:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

There’s room in the world for uprisings and revolutions, but they are utterly foolish if they do not seek for a restoration of rule by honest men all bound by legitimate law.


167 posted on 06/19/2012 10:39:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: DoughtyOne

You aren’t the one talking in these terms. The problem is another little clique bent on calling me a closet cheerer for the Obamunistic racist coup upon Zimmerman being attempted here. I hope I do not have to call George Zimmerman perfect or close eyes “just on right wing principle” to certain questions about his current management of his affairs. I refuse to do that even if it means being ostracized.


168 posted on 06/19/2012 10:43:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

[[Maybe O’Mara and George Z. have agreed on a plan which involves letting Corey stink to the max in court]]

I truly want to beleive that- and I’ll tip my hat to them IF that’s idneed what they are doing

[[Something not objected to may not be looked at by the appellate court as seriously, if at all.]]

Which is why I can’t understand why he isn’t objecting more, and making hte case agaisnt the corrupt prosecution more?

I hope He’s infact a brilliant lawyer- just playing possum until it’s tiem to attack- as this case will have long standing reprocussions on all of our right to defend ourselves- This is a major case that will affect us all i nthe end- and I hope with all my might that the judge will be truly objective and fair (although seeing him get pissed at george makes me wodner if that didn’t bias him somewhat agaisnt the zimmermans) and will give the prosecution their due come-uppence(sp?) for trying to ILLEGALLY railroad zimmerman and for FALSELY arrestingv him on charges that don’t even reflect what happened- The prosecution had to arbitrarily ‘pick a charge’ to charge him with becvause he didn’t fit the profile of any of the charges- Even for the3 charge of manslaughter, George woudl have had to exhibit an ‘indifferent concern for huma life’, and the very tapes and eyewitness accoutns did NOT back that charge up- Zimmerman neve4r even pulled the gun UNTIL trayvon tried to grab it fro nmthje holster- it’s only then that zimmerman shot (and who knows, the shot may hav even happened accidently as they struggled for hte gun-

Agfain, this whole case stinks to high heaven, and hopefulyl the corrupt prosecuition will be broguth to justice for the INJUSTICE they have dealt George- The police did the RIGHT thing by allowing George to go free after ivnestigating the incident- the CORRUPT prosecutor however illegally charged George for a crime he was foudn NOT to have committed already by the police department’s investigative team


169 posted on 06/19/2012 10:44:46 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Thank you. Nobody, not even Hugin or I, ever said that his site NEVER read this way. That’s not the question! Is this how it always read?

Well, since you are the one claiming that GZ's website said at one time that the donations would all be used for legal expenses, you are the one who needs to show proof. I, for one, did donate to therealgeorgezimmerman.com shortly after it went up, and living expenses were listed. I have no problem with them paying off bills of any kind with my money.

I DO have a problem with some of my money being confiscated because of Judge Lester violating GZ's right to confront his accusers and his right to have adequate notice of the motion to revoke bond at the hearing that was supposed to be about media access to the discovery materials.

170 posted on 06/19/2012 11:09:34 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: cynwoody
Fun reading this thread. Any of the Zimmerman critics bother to look at the website currently set up?

The money donated here will be used for George Zimmerman's ongoing living expenses, legal costs, and fees for this matter. The funds are being administered by a third-party administrator, who has a background as a former IRS agent, a Certified Public Accountant, and great experience in dealing with Chapter 7 bankruptcy trustee matters.
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/

TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.Com also indicated the solicitation was for living and legal expenses.

Not worth having a serious debate with people who persist in false belief on something this simple. (not talking about you)

171 posted on 06/19/2012 11:15:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: HiTech RedNeck

To my way of thinking, people donated to Zimmerman’s defense fund because they thought he was getting railroaded. They wanted him to have the resources necessary to prevent him being ruined. And we know what the political and media climate was when this first broke.

Much has been made about those funds only being available for his legal service needs. Maybe that was the way it was drawn up. Perhaps not. I don’t know.

The problem with courts is that they look at things legalisticly, with very little leway. In the court’s eyes, anyone who commits infractions, is a criminal. Nevermind if the people in question have been put into a pressure cooker unlike anything they’ve ever experienced before. Nevermind if they are having to make snap judgements with everything on the line that will be scrutinized by people with nothing on the line, who have all the time in the world to study statutes to build a sound case.

Did the Zimmermans make statements at one point thinking those funds were not available to them, only to change their opinion later on based on a new understanding? Anotherwords, are things truly as stark as the judge and the media are assessing them to be?

The Zimmermans may have crossed the line. They may have been untruthful to the judge. They may have felt they had little choice. It may also be true that they merely made mistakes in judgment. It may also be that they are truly deserving of prosecution. We’ll see.

It has been my contention that anyone donating to the Zimmerman’s defense fund so that he wouldn’t get railroaded in court, probably wouldn’t want to see them financially destroyed either.

Unlike some other people, I am not convinced the Zimmerman’s paying down their debt so they could service the remainder when one or both were in jail, would anger folks who donated. It wouldn’t anger me. If I don’t want to see him ruined in court, why would I want to see him ruined financially?

All this being said, Zimmerman is being portrayed as a caniving criminal. I’m not convinced of that. If he is not going to take action to prevent he and his wife from being destoryed here, who would?

I am not convinced them doing what was in their best interest, should be considered a crime. In this atmosphere, it’s my take that they will be convicted of using those funds, and lying to the judge. In the end that’s all the court will have to ‘make sure they pay’. And the Zimmermans will be destroyed just like the media and the race-baiters wanted.

While that may be valid legalistically, I think it will ultimately be a real shame. “Hey, you didn’t do anything we can convict you of, but you did use those donations. We’ll just get you for that.”

The Zimmermans ultimately didn’t have a prayer here. They were ruined from the word go.


172 posted on 06/19/2012 11:25:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I want to see a trace of the versions of the site, all showing that “living expenses” were included in the appeal, and any that would suggest that a student loan was intended to count as a living expense.

The gist of the irrelevant topic you were harping on and cannot seem to release is not germane to the aspect this article addresses, and distracted others from the main theme.

The article which I found and posted for the convenience of others was about "Why public's opinions on Zimmerman is shifting," and was as a service to the site.

I feel no obligation to research any more information or effort to improve your education on Z's bail that you can work out for yourself by reviewing the existing sources.

I'm not going to play ping-pong with you on the bail topic. Sorry, I've other things to do.

173 posted on 06/19/2012 12:27:26 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Grab your socks ...)
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To: Kickass Conservative
>i>When “Opinion” outweighs “Justice”, the Rule of Law becomes the Tyranny of Man.

That's a nice thought, but this article discussed is not about justice in the courtroom, it is about social impact deriving from the public opinion which drives actions in the community outside the courtroom.

Some questions might be:

o Will the MSM come to be recognized for their diligent efforts to distort the public's perception of events? (Note that one reporter has been fired for deliberately resectioning sound tapes to get the effect desired.)

o Will the passing of time, and better accuracy of reporting , bring a greater focus on the shoddy manipulations of the black community by Sharpton and Jackson racist baiterds?

o Will the actions of the NBPP make enough national opinion impact to draw greater public clamor against their openly terroristic canpaigns; and cause state and federal authorities to be held accountable for permitting the NBPP to operate unopposed?

Let's focus on these community effects brought on by the pot-stirring agitators, propagandists, and overblown irrational responses of governmental figureheads.

174 posted on 06/19/2012 1:36:20 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Grab your socks ...)
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To: Aunt Polgara
I have no problem with them paying off bills of any kind with my money.

However, a specific promise was made to the public. Your leniency may not equate to everybody's leniency.

175 posted on 06/19/2012 2:24:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: imardmd1

Now we are to get orthodox about headlines and let that confine discussion, because you apparently are very selective about how much leeway you allow accused parties.


176 posted on 06/19/2012 2:26:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: DoughtyOne
To my way of thinking, people donated to Zimmerman’s defense fund because they thought he was getting railroaded.

And public promises meant nothing... uh huh. I see. Perfectly clear.

177 posted on 06/19/2012 2:27:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
However, a specific promise was made to the public.

Prove it.

178 posted on 06/19/2012 3:05:08 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Aunt Polgara

You’ve been yapping all day long, HiTech. I’d like to see you prove it as well.


179 posted on 06/19/2012 3:20:14 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Now we are to get orthodox about headlines and let that confine discussion, because you apparently are very selective about how much leeway you allow accused parties.

Sorry again -- I'm not in the business of moderating these discussions. It is a free country, and you can say whatever you want. But others may want to chat about the theme posted.

I have no control over what you want to say or how others want to respond. However, since it is a free country for me also, I can afford to be selective about whom I feel respect and wish to listen to.

Flame away, if it makes you feel better. But it was getting a bit tiresome for me.

180 posted on 06/19/2012 8:01:51 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Grab your socks ...)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Very interesting capitalization of “MANY” and the curious use of “...”!!???

Do you really think that just because someone tells someone else to stop looking at a tv program, that they actually have to stop? People do that here all the time.

Would you actually stop doing something that an anonymous web person told you to?


181 posted on 06/20/2012 11:31:24 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

LOL — THAT’S the best you can do?


182 posted on 06/20/2012 12:10:42 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Of course NOT, it’s just ALL that I’m GOING to do.


183 posted on 06/22/2012 10:14:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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