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Why public's opinions on Zimmerman is shifting
Jewish World Review ^ | June 18, 2012 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 06/18/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by imardmd1

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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I don’t think so.

Too much alleged indignation.

Sorry, NO SALE.


51 posted on 06/18/2012 12:01:32 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Hugin

Are you not paying attention? The website said it was for legal AND living expenses. Things like mortgages, continuing debt payments, rent, and bulletproof vests ARE living expenses when you’re in hiding and can’t work.


52 posted on 06/18/2012 12:02:07 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Uncle Chip

You can change a website. I don’t know what it says now, but originally it claimed money would go to legal expenses only.


53 posted on 06/18/2012 12:02:42 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin

There is a new and an old version. The old one had a broader appeal. It is far from clear if the monies related to both were segregated. O’Mara should have told them to do that. If they didn’t, and got in dutch, well I think I’d be right to be disappointed.


54 posted on 06/18/2012 12:04:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin

No it did not, as I’ve already provided George Zimmerman’s statement on that website. Try again.


55 posted on 06/18/2012 12:04:06 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: dragnet2

“Suddenly, the case is all about finances. They should dig really deep, check their school records and back taxes.”

Interesting, isn’t it?

Especially the ones repeating the latest they’ve heard that might hurt Z, AND IN CAPS!


56 posted on 06/18/2012 12:05:07 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Hugin

Please point out the perjury:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2895056/posts


57 posted on 06/18/2012 12:06:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: treetopsandroofs

ARE YOU ANY BETTER, CLINGING TO ONE VERSION OF THE WEB SITE WHICH CHANGED AND ACTING AS IF THAT COVERED ALL?


58 posted on 06/18/2012 12:06:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

IMO George deserves some slack in that regard, in light of the fact that the Black Panther lynch mob put a contract out on him (with no response by law enforcement), thereby forcing him to go into hiding in fear for his life, while Obama and his race-baiting associates stirred the pot and Angela the Clown manufactured her malicious prosecution. Obviously he couldn’t work to cover his financial obligations under the circumstances.


59 posted on 06/18/2012 12:07:41 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Jim Scott

” George Zimmerman and his wife skimming off some of the money that was donated for his legal defense”

Thanks, those seem to be the new buzzwords for identifying the old “Zimmerman is GUILTY” Hussein Head posters.

Look for “skimmimg” with no doubt of guilt.

This issue really brings the otherwise stealthy ones out!


60 posted on 06/18/2012 12:08:30 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Echo4C

The original site was theealgeorgezimmerman.com which is no longer available. I went to that site within a couple of days of it going up, and even posted links on FR. At that time it said donations were for legal expenses only. I know what I read. They may have changed that later to cover their asses.


61 posted on 06/18/2012 12:08:51 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: imardmd1
...now, hoodies. If you want a profile, don't seek a questionable appearance and attire.

The problem is not the hood on the sweatshirt. The problem is the hood in the sweatshirt.

62 posted on 06/18/2012 12:09:40 PM PDT by Bob
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To: treetopsandroofs
Thanks, those seem to be the new buzzwords for identifying the old “Zimmerman is GUILTY” Hussein Head posters.

Your mischaracterization only discredits yourself, a shame to the cause of righteousness, since I think the Sanford police were originally correct to let Zimmerman go and think nothing more of it.

63 posted on 06/18/2012 12:10:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It didn’t change until after he left jail on bond. The recorded calls of him - which are the point of contention right now - were from when he was in jail. You really should get indignant over something else.


64 posted on 06/18/2012 12:11:10 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Would you want him to fail to pay his bills and go delinquent or file for bankruptcy in the midst of all of this???”

Yes, they would.

That’s what their latest campaign is all about, notice how it no longer has anything to do with “Trayvon”, but now with both the Zimmermans’ “skimming”.

And they seem to be getting more worked up after calling them on it.


65 posted on 06/18/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Hugin
The website specifically primised that "every nickel" would go to legal expesnses. That's fraud, however you rationalize it.

They're both not working and since the case is now all about finances, lets see their tax returns going back 10 years. If they can be put on their financial knees, with addition dirt found on them, they'll be begging for mercy!

The courts and their prosecutors have *millions* to blow in their pursuit of these two. By the time their done with them, they'll head to prison owing tens of thousands.

66 posted on 06/18/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hugin

Still no sale.


67 posted on 06/18/2012 12:12:25 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Hugin

Here’s a link for you, which contains the ACTUAL text from the ORIGINAL website:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/09/11104813-george-zimmerman-takes-to-web-to-raise-money-for-legal-costs-lawyers-confirm?lite

This link is from the same time period that the website was set up.

“I am the real George Zimmerman. On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website’s sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries.
It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or “Legal Fund”. I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman”

Would you like to find any evidence that supports your claim?


68 posted on 06/18/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Hugin

In the tapes he asks his wife to buy herself a bullet proof vest. I don’t call that scamming, I call it a good idea.


69 posted on 06/18/2012 12:14:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Echo4C; Hugin

I would want to see a time line in detail mapping out the allegedly related events including all version changes to the website. I am not convinced, since we now also see a report that the website did originally promise the same thing it does now, i.e. legal expenses only.


70 posted on 06/18/2012 12:14:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: imardmd1
The judge, by making this an issue, is effect saying that: "Oh, all that money that was raised to help you and your family meet expenses? That gets paid into court too! So no matter what you do, and no matter what the verdict, we are still going to screw you!" That tells me that they know that he shouldn't be standing trial in the first place and are now grasping at straws. What's troubling is there are some people who appear to be fine with that.

The ONLY reason for setting bail should be to ensure that he appears when his trial starts. It should NOT be to lock up finances and impose hardship as an extra-judicial punishment.

71 posted on 06/18/2012 12:14:38 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Hugin

When the money was turned over to O’Mara, he put it into a Trust account for legal expenses AND living expenses. He could not and would not have done that if the money had not originally been raised for both living AND legal expenses.


72 posted on 06/18/2012 12:15:13 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’ll let the jury sort that one out, thank you.


73 posted on 06/18/2012 12:15:37 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin
BS tree hugin libtard.
Post thirty four links to an article from April 9, and it quoted the actual wording of the original website.
Zimmerman was clear about living expenses needing to be covered.

You made an oopsie and took a Dan Ratheresque concoction to be historical fact.

There is no “there” there.

The Zimmermans were above board about how the money would be used.

74 posted on 06/18/2012 12:16:30 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Hugin

Doesn’t it seem strange to you that law enforcement has released those calls? Since when does the government release their documents before a trial?

We can talk all we want about what’s fair or not, but note that Zimmerman was in jail, and no longer earning an income. I don’t know about you, but our household would be in trouble before long if we didn’t have our incomes.

Those who gave money to support Zimmerman, probably did so because they didn’t want to see him railroaded.

Do you think they wouldn’t have cared if he lost his home, car, personal possessions, and credit standing? What if this caused his marriage to fail too?

If I had given money to support Zimmerman, I would support him using that money as he saw fit.

Law enforcement and the media have joined forces to take Zimmerman down, and they’re still at it here.


75 posted on 06/18/2012 12:17:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Echo4C
in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment

should say something like "in lieu of the moneys I would have obtained if it had not been for my forced inability to maintain employment" -- as taken literally it is a nonsense statement. Which might be an "inadvertent" mistake, but courts do care, even appellate ones.

76 posted on 06/18/2012 12:17:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Hugin; HiTech RedNeck

I’ll even quote from the second (current) website, which repeats that the original website was setup for living and legal expenses:

“The legal defense fund, as initially envisioned by George Zimmerman, as stated on his now-closed website, was set up to provide for living expenses and to fund costs and legal fees associated with his defense. This will also be the purpose of the new legal defense fund.”

http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php?start=16


77 posted on 06/18/2012 12:17:30 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Echo4C

“Are you not paying attention? The website said it was for legal AND living expenses. Things like mortgages, continuing debt payments, rent, and bulletproof vests ARE living expenses when you’re in hiding and can’t work.”

It’s all part of the latest campaign against Z.

It’s laughable what these Hussein Heads are indignantly posing as facts. “Skimming” must be the latest focus group buzzword.

And they’re so ANGRY at Z, now not for killing “Trayvon”, but for “skimming”.


78 posted on 06/18/2012 12:17:47 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: carriage_hill; treetopsandroofs; Hugin

Here it is:

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/14790490/data/1/-/x6n0xuz/-/Shellie-capias.pdf


79 posted on 06/18/2012 12:21:32 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m sorry, but you’re really grasping at straws now in trying to go after his grammar. He’s obviously not the smartest guy on the block, but it’s quite obvious from that statement that money is going towards living AND legal expenses.


80 posted on 06/18/2012 12:21:32 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Echo4C

Which sounds like even weirder double talk, like “we ask only for legal expenses but by george it’ll go for what the original website asked for.”

The further we go the more fog there is.


81 posted on 06/18/2012 12:21:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Echo4C

This is actually pretty darn grammatically correct. Unfortunately grammatical statements can be made that are still nonsense.


82 posted on 06/18/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“ARE YOU ANY BETTER, CLINGING TO ONE VERSION OF THE WEB SITE WHICH CHANGED AND ACTING AS IF THAT COVERED ALL?”

FOR NOT IDIOTICALLY REPEATING THE LATEST ANTI-Z PROPAGANDA IN CAPS AND BEING ANGRY AT Z, NOT FOR KILLYING T BUT FOR TRYING TO FINANCIALLY SURVIVE WHILE LOCKED UP FOR BEING GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNCOCENT?

“Clinging” as in “clinging to guns and religion” would that be?

They’re so easy to spot. They can’t help themselves.


83 posted on 06/18/2012 12:26:41 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If there’s any fog, it’s in your head. I hope you clear it out before posting again on this topic.

After being proven wrong, you’re reduced to analyzing the statement itself. George Zimmerman is not in trouble right now, legally, for “fraud” or any other nonsense you’ve decided on. Until he is, I suggest you back off this argument.


84 posted on 06/18/2012 12:27:15 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: All

Folks, I can see why some of you join the government in assessing blame on Zimmerman for using donated funds in ways you think are wrong. I’d like to ask you to think about some things you may not have considered.

Zimmerman had elevated bills immediately upon this incident taking place. The media portrayed him as a racist killer, and had him convicted until the truth started leaking out.

He and his wife had to go into hiding. He was unable to work. I’m sure he had to spend a lot of funds to travel, hide, and house themselves.

Would it be okay if Zimmerman got off on these charges, but was completely ruined because of his employment situation and the increased expenses that he had to cover out of pocket?

I’m not here to defend a criminal, but it seems to me that some of us are just fine with Zimmerman being destroyed, just so long as he doesn’t spend any of that money outside of his legal defense.

I would like to suggest that it is not of a criminal nature to use some of those funds to keep your head above water. if I sent money to Zimmerman and he spend part of his and his wife afloat, I would consider the funds used for good purpose, and consider the efforts to tarnish his character as vile.

It has really bothered the Justice Department that they couldn’t run this guy down destroying him in the process.

Is this guy abusing the system, or is the system abusing this guy?

IMO, this guy is getting railroaded. One way or another, they are setting it up so this guy goes to prison.

IMO, that is what is of a criminal in nature here.


85 posted on 06/18/2012 12:27:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Hugin
"I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense..."

What part of those words escape your understanding. Furthermore those funds so raised are currently in a Trust account for his living expenses and legal expenses. They couldn't be in that account if they had not originally been raised for those two purposes.

86 posted on 06/18/2012 12:28:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: treetopsandroofs
Interesting, isn’t it? Especially the ones repeating the latest they’ve heard that might hurt Z, AND IN CAPS!

Forget the trial regarding the actual shooting...This is now about their finances...This is so typical of government with millions at their disposal to investigate and pursue them.

They are attempting to beat these two to death in the media, prior to the trial. If they can delay the trial for another 10 or 30 weeks, who knows what dirt can be found to discredit them!

87 posted on 06/18/2012 12:28:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Because (like I) you think George Zimmerman should not even have been hauled into court, does that automatically endue you with lack of reproach-ability?


88 posted on 06/18/2012 12:29:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Your mischaracterization only discredits yourself, a shame to the cause of righteousness,”

LOL — TOO funny!!!!!

Please keep those buzzwords coming!


89 posted on 06/18/2012 12:29:21 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Edward Teach
I could not agree with you more. The prosecutor just wants to punish this guy to keep peace with race baiters.
90 posted on 06/18/2012 12:30:53 PM PDT by BaldJohn
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To: treetopsandroofs

“Buzzword” is itself a buzzword, hypocrite.


91 posted on 06/18/2012 12:32:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Your mischaracterization only discredits yourself, a shame to the cause of righteousness”

I’m still laughing!

NO right winger talks like that.

You all can’t help yourselves — please keep these attacks coming!

“The cause of righteousness” — GOOD ONE!


92 posted on 06/18/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: BaldJohn

This for ill or otherwise is a part of the sausage machine that is called the Florida court system. And it’s, er, echoed in states across the country. If “we the people” want a fairer system, one which doesn’t require suing after having been ruined by doo-doo process, then we should get constitutional amendments requiring it.


93 posted on 06/18/2012 12:35:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Look, they transfered 85K from the paypal to their personal bank accounts, and they did it in multiple transactions, with six being just under 10K. Why would they do that? Because transactions over 10K are automatically reported to the govnernment. They then paid off their debts with the money. I don’t think most people would have imagined that “living expenses” would include paying off Mrs. Z’s student loans. And they were clearly trying to hide what they were doing.

Once again, I believe Zimmerman acted in self defense. I think the prosecution is political, and the prosecutor shold be charged with malicious prosection. That doesn’t require me to defend any sleazy thing the Zimmermans may have done.


94 posted on 06/18/2012 12:37:08 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Surely a liberal must have penned in the Star Spangled Banner the words “and conquer we must, when our cause it is just” — how horribly stilted! That can never be the product of a sane mind! (HEAVY HEAVY SARCASM)


95 posted on 06/18/2012 12:37:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Edward Teach

You make a valid point here. I’m inclined to side with your line of thinking.


96 posted on 06/18/2012 12:37:51 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (The GOPe has played us like a violin for the last time; high time to build the Constitution Party.)
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To: Hugin
And they were clearly trying to hide what they were doing.

Do you broadcast your financial transactions???

97 posted on 06/18/2012 12:42:45 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hugin

They have stripped this man of his ability to work and service that debt. If the Zimmermans eliminated enough debt that his wife could service the leftover, do you still think that is criminal in nature?

Is it your premise that donors didn’t want to see Zimerman unfairly sent to prison, but didn’t care if he was destroyed financially? You don’t think they cared if he lost his home, defaulted on his debt, and had his credit destroyed? You don’t think they would support helping to pay his expenses related to hiding from those who wanted to do them harm?

I support Zimmerman. I haven’t sent any money, but I don’t want to see him destroyed by any means.

I fully believe him using that money to try to remain solvent while not earning an income, is within the spirit of the intent of folks sending in money to help him.


98 posted on 06/18/2012 12:45:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Hugin

The government to which large transactions would get reported in this case would mean whom? Taxing authorities? (There’s no way they could expect to not have to pay taxes.) The goons whose office is that of sniffing out drug money? (It would be pretty clear this is not drug money.) Seems to me that if it was properly purposed according to the premises publicly promised when it was Paypal’ed (and peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers) that they ought not care even if this was itemized on a public web site.

Yeah, I’d agree that paying off a student loan is pushing the boundaries of “living expenses” a bit.


99 posted on 06/18/2012 12:46:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s up to the donors, who could also simply mail him checks if they wanted. As for being ruined it stinks clear to the planet Neptune (Pluto is no longer a planet) but hopefully there will be a giant lawsuit launched against everyone from Corey to Barack Obama when this is all over. But socialistic thinking has limits.


100 posted on 06/18/2012 12:49:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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