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Rand Paul Tries To Shoot Down Drone Surveillance
IBD edirorials ^ | July 16, 2012

Posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:14 AM PDT by raptor22

National Security: The junior senator from Kentucky seeks to protect the Fourth Amendment from the advance of technology and require that all forms of surveillance by law enforcement require a warrant from a judge.

Does the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures include aerial surveillance of your house and property? Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., thinks so.

He introduced the Preserving Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act, which would require the government to get a warrant before using aerial drones to surveil U.S. citizens.

"Like other tools used to collect information in law enforcement, in order to use drones a warrant needs to be issued," Paul said Tuesday. "Americans going about their everyday lives should not be treated like criminals or terrorists and have their rights infringed upon by military tactics."

We live in an age awash with cameras in stores, banks, parking lots, and most public places. Many cities have red light cameras at intersections to catch scofflaws and cameras on neighborhood corners to monitor gangs and other bad guys lurking in high-crime neighborhoods. Police cars are constantly on patrol.

The operative word here is public and in these situations the expectation of privacy does not apply. Certainly as we fight an ongoing war on terror we tolerate, despite the excesses, an invasion of our privacy in the form of body scans, luggage searches and the like.

We accept these actions because they aid law enforcement in its legitimate duty and help protect us from the dangerous and the criminal.

The argument is that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Yet we know the store is looking for shoplifters, the camera on that pole is looking for people running red lights or gangbangers

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: drones; ibd; randpaul; surveillance

1 posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:19 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Glad to hear it. Where are the other Pubbie Senators????


2 posted on 06/18/2012 11:24:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: raptor22

Drones will become commonplace in the next several years because 99% of politicians and citizens care zero about privacy.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 11:29:30 AM PDT by gdani (I don't vote for liberals - no matter what letter appears after their name)
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To: raptor22

Where can I get a dozen of those inflatable tanks and artillery pieces?


4 posted on 06/18/2012 11:30:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ScottinVA

Im glad to hear it too. Everytime we give the government somemore leeway in the name of security we lose more of ours. Now the the HLS is entrenched we will never get rid of them or gain control of them because one government gets what they7 want they never give it up.


5 posted on 06/18/2012 11:37:25 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: raptor22

Another good bill destined to be buried in committee, as it does not forward the totalitarian agenda of unelected liberal bureaucrats!


6 posted on 06/18/2012 11:43:40 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Americanexpat

Just glanced at your bio. Thanks for your service to the nation, FRiend. Hope all’s well down in Panama.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: raptor22
ACLU and Libs (redundant, I know) made a huge stink about Bush admin wire tap (phone conversation with known overseas terrorists). After investigation, it showed there were no ‘overreach’ by Bush Co.

Now, you don't even hear this, drone surveillance of private citizens here in the States. Did it start under Bush? Or this is another one of those ‘flexible interpretation’ of the Patriot Act by the Obama admin?

/Did I mention how much I loath those tools?

8 posted on 06/18/2012 12:08:01 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: raptor22
Have no fear! This issue has the full attention of the American electorate!


9 posted on 06/18/2012 12:08:16 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: raptor22
Ok, so I'm a little perplexed here. What is different than using satellite imagery? Or using aerial photography from a small piloted plane. Both are currently being done, I'm wondering why a plane WITHOUT a pilot (drone) would be any different than a plane with a pilot.
10 posted on 06/18/2012 12:16:16 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: gdani

Disinformation.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 12:20:52 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Disinformation.

Like your fellow countrymen, keep your head in the sand, if you wish.

Meanwhile private industry, the FAA, the military and law enforcement are all scrambling to open the skies to drones and utilize them for numerous purposes.

12 posted on 06/18/2012 12:31:49 PM PDT by gdani (I don't vote for liberals - no matter what letter appears after their name)
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To: Mike
Thank you Senator Paul, where are the rest of the GOP Senators?
13 posted on 06/18/2012 1:16:31 PM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: gdani

Disinformation, meaning citizens don’t care about their privacy.

As long as we allow corporatist fascism to be our government, we will continue to be subjects without any power over our won lives.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Big Brother ping


15 posted on 06/18/2012 2:01:25 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: ScottinVA; Americanexpat
Yes, very impressive career and life in Panama. If Obama wins in November, there might be a lot of new expats heading in that direction.
16 posted on 06/18/2012 2:10:58 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: gdani
Drones will become commonplace in the next several years because 99% of politicians and citizens care zero about privacy.

Yep. Here in Texas, in Montgomery County, when the sheriff's department spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a drone, I didn't hear too many people complaining or wanting to kick anybody out of office. And Montgomery County was supposedly conservative. You can't go travel to a decent-sized city in Texas without encountering either state or local cameras. The past 10 years or so have shown me that we are going to slip quietly into a police state, because we've been electing the same people over and over, and we are letting them put up cameras everywhere.
17 posted on 06/18/2012 6:38:43 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: ScottinVA

Thank you very much. Enjoying my retirement and will be a grandfather again in abour six months.


18 posted on 06/18/2012 7:07:43 PM PDT by Americanexpat (ºIt is going to get even worse now that the)
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To: Truth29

You would enjoy it here very laid back and cost of living is okay too.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 7:09:14 PM PDT by Americanexpat (ºIt is going to get even worse now that the)
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To: taxcontrol
What is different than using satellite imagery? Or using aerial photography from a small piloted plane. Both are currently being done, I'm wondering why a plane WITHOUT a pilot (drone) would be any different than a plane with a pilot.

It's all available on line -

they plan 3,000 plus of these drones - that's an ave of 60 per state = from full size to hummingbird size...they can see' far closer, can actually 'look' into your windows. p>It's the difference between reading lasses and a large magnifying glass - or better...and at 3,000 plus - they can cover every square inch of this country just about daily.

Right now, they are concentrating on farmers - as people are waking up to the Franenfoods being pumped out by factory farms and turning to organic and/or naturally grown foods - coupled with the goal of Monsanto and their hitched at thip gov't lackeys to control the worlds' food ("He who controls he food, controls the people" - both the money and the control are starting to slip away.

The gov' is outlawing raw milk/cheeses - which people have been living on for tens of thousands of years - arresting the farmers and destroying their product.

The drones are now targeting other farmers - like hog farmers, with cover rationale - with the goal in shutting them down - and keeping that money and control.

ETC ETC.

If you see no difference from satellites and small planes to these drones and their real purpose, you must be very busy - and not have had the time to learn about these drones and their intended purpose. (I won't even flesh out what could happen if Martial Law were imposed - with 3,000+ drones - some already armed and others can be quickly - against a citizenry on the ground, armed or not.)

20 posted on 06/19/2012 5:12:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

Perhaps I did not make the point of my question clear. Why now? Why after years of satellite imagery and aerial surveillance are we concerned about drones? This stuff has been going on for years. Why all of a sudden is it a concern?

If the sheeple have been putting up with the surveillance and video taping before, why would the introduction of a new platform to do the same thing cause an uproar now?

I know the Agenda 21 issues and they too have been around for decades. What is it about the drones that is different this time?


21 posted on 06/19/2012 5:22:29 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: maine-iac7

The military has over 7000 drones now so your figure seems way off...
I have seen the figure 30,000 drones in about 20 years....

look at this drone about the size of a bug.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2161647/Is-really-just-fly-Swarms-cyborg-insect-drones-future-military-surveillance.html


22 posted on 06/19/2012 5:26:47 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: taxcontrol

I know the Agenda 21 issues and they too have been around for decades. What is it about the drones that is different this time?


The drone that they are going to use in Montgomery County Texas to be equiped with tazers and rubber bullets....

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/12/031212-news-armed-drones-1-2/


23 posted on 06/19/2012 5:37:21 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: taxcontrol
Perhaps I did not make the point of my question clear. Why now? Why after years of satellite imagery and aerial surveillance are we concerned about drones? This stuff has been going on for years. Why all of a sudden is it a concern?

If the sheeple have been putting up with the surveillance and video taping before, why would the introduction of a new platform to do the same thing cause an uproar now?

I know the Agenda 21 issues and they too have been around for decades. What is it about the drones that is different this time?

it's called escalation -

using your reasoning, one shouldn't be alarmed if, after years of neighbors back yeard BB-Q's, SChool celebration bon fires, a house burning to the ground here and there - and now a fire is raging in the forest and the flames are coming over the mountain towards town - what's the big deal. Fires have been around for years.

there comes a point when the line is crossed and if not pushed back, you are going to get rolled over....

I'm at a loss to understand your non-concern...or purported lack of seeing any problem with 3,000+ drones to soon be monitoring our every move. It only makes sense if perhaps you agree with Agenda 21?

24 posted on 06/19/2012 6:51:04 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: freedommom

Good grief! You’re right. I remember that - I guess my mind just couldn’t hang onto it - It’s so insane.

People should be screaming from the roof tops...

30,000 drones - that’s an average of 600 per state. Enough to monitor your every action, your every hour. Blow your nose? It’ll be duly noted.


25 posted on 06/19/2012 7:00:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

No, my reasoning is people should have ALREADY been alarmed. The time to start pushing back was decades ago.


26 posted on 06/19/2012 8:20:08 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: freedommom

Armed police officers with automatic weapons have been in police helicopters for years. So why all of a sudden does this make people nervous. Seems to me that we the people should have put a stop to this long ago.


27 posted on 06/19/2012 8:22:05 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: gdani
Spy Drone Buzzes Journalist’s Secluded Home

http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-buzzes-journalists-secluded-home/

28 posted on 07/06/2012 9:20:23 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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