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Zimmerman's jailhouse calls about money transfers, bulletproof vests could play role in bond hearing
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Posted on 06/18/2012 5:47:29 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

ORLANDO, Fla. – The former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin told his wife to buy bulletproof vests for them and for his attorney, according to jailhouse calls released Monday.

"As uncomfortable as it is, I want you wearing one," George Zimmerman told his wife. Zimmerman was wearing a bulletproof vest when he left jail after posting bond. His attorney, Mark O'Mara, has reported receiving threats.

The calls, released by prosecutors, also detail how Zimmerman instructed his wife to transfer money from bank accounts and could play a crucial role in his second bond hearing next week.

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I am not sure it is possible to hate the feds any more than I do after seeing this play out.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 5:47:36 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

They ain’t got spit so they’re gonna jail his wife and oh yeah, him, for perjury.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 5:51:55 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

unbelievable the way this is being handled. what a mockery.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This poor guy has got the tar and rail waiting for him.
Wonder who profited from his recordings.
Oh wait! THE SHERIFF AND THE PRESS!
He don’t stand a chance.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 5:54:18 PM PDT by Bibman (Tea Party since 1976)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Zimmerman is done , next step is meeting the hand picked guy with the shiv to finish it


5 posted on 06/18/2012 5:55:04 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Red in Blue PA

The paypal account is a defense fund, $$ for living expense and payment of lawyers. It is not a bail fund.

This is all a bunch of crap.

Can anyone remember when a defense fund was scarfed up by the prosecution and used to increase the bail amount...thus destroying the ability of citizens to contribute to someones defense in any meaningful way?


6 posted on 06/18/2012 6:00:55 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Calusa
Let's think about the 5th amendment. How can they make either of them incriminate themselves or each other. These folks didn't know how bad this would get. It's Duke all over...I believe the prosecutor and the NEW judge are both dirty.

Maybe a little more common sense on the judge's part...the Zimmermans have been threatened royally. Damn right they should be thinking of all the routes. They may have been "forced" to flee.

LThe judge is a rotten BAS**** and it's none of his business how much money they have. They're ordinary folks.

7 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Red in Blue PA; Fred Nerks; mojitojoe; TigersEye; LucyT; little jeremiah

This is a shameful display of political trial. Zimmermann was exhonerated by municiple police , of having acted in self defence. Yet the so called presidents comment , about Trayvon could have been his son, sparked racial hatred, the appointment of a special prosecutor, the circumvention of the usual grand jury process for indictment, and now Zimmermann and his family have to live not only with a destruction of their due process rights, and the right to a fair trial,BUT they also have to cope with liberal fascism
of the Obama administratiuon and the insidious way of influence peddling they execute on the people of the supposedly free state of Florida, now trembling at the prospect of “convict Zimmerman or else” race riots will follow?

Eff them one and all. Zimmerman should not even be charged with an offence. This is a political show trial designed to
end “racism” when in fact it should represent the legitimate defence of ones own life.Its just like the political show trials in history of other totalitarian states designed for the specific purpose to shape and manipulate the public.

All this the Zimmermans suffer alone while a horrified nation watches as justice goes down the tubes, chased away by the burgeoning political correctness which now rules our nation, instead of the rule of law.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 6:02:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

This is such a Kangaroo court that the whole town of Sanford is bouncing up and down.

Nifong was an amateur compared to the witch boiling her brew in Sanford.


9 posted on 06/18/2012 6:06:50 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Red in Blue PA

What did the Judge ever do about the public bounty on GZ?


10 posted on 06/18/2012 6:12:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sacajaweau
Let's think about the 5th amendment. How can they make either of them incriminate themselves or each other.

I'm not exactly up on all the criminal lifestyle stuff, and even I know the jailhouse phones are recorded.

If someone voluntarily says something incriminating on these phones, it ain't a 5th amendment issue.

11 posted on 06/18/2012 6:12:42 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Candor7

Yes it’s very sad. Bail should only have to do with the seriousness of the crime and weather the defendent is a flight risk.


12 posted on 06/18/2012 6:16:14 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Red in Blue PA

It is increasingly obvious that the prosecution intends to nail Zimmerman with a secondary offense so that when he gets aquitted of murder/manslaughter the jag-offs like the ‘Reverend’ Al can continue to run around saying that Zimmerman is ‘guilty’.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:24:18 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I would consider bullet proof vests for the spouse and lawyer a valid expense for a legal defense fund.
But making him post bail and then putting him back in and then charging his wife - it’s like they are going to do anything to get him life, regardless of the law.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 6:28:34 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Sherman Logan

Nothing said was incriminating. They talked about which bills to pay.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 6:30:41 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Calusa
Maybe they WANT to jail the wife and keep Zimmerman jailed as part of protection plan for them.

Maybe this is one of O’Mara’s early strategies to keep them from vigilantes and bounty hunters.

Just sayin'.

16 posted on 06/18/2012 6:42:16 PM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus: here, there, everywhere.)
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To: WHBates
“Bail should only have to do with the seriousness of the crime and weather the defendent is a flight risk.”


With bounty hunters looking for me, I'd be a big-time flight risk.

17 posted on 06/18/2012 6:46:29 PM PDT by hummingbird (Breitbart and Spartacus: here, there, everywhere.)
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To: Calusa

The Black Klan put a murder bounty on his head and there were retaliatory beatings on white people in several cities.

The authorities are going to work to keep him in jail for his own good and so cities don’t burn by the hands of black supremacist thugs led by the New Black Panther Party, President Obama, and Al “Jew them down” Sharpton.


18 posted on 06/18/2012 6:48:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I'm not exactly up on all the criminal lifestyle stuff, and even I know the jailhouse phones are recorded.

In Texas, one part or the other in a phone call must know the call is being recorded. In some states, that still is not enough, both parties "must" know (recall the Lewinsky tapes).

19 posted on 06/18/2012 6:51:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Thats a senseless post. Leftists will riot and loot if an athletic team wins, or if it loses.

If they think they need new big screen TVs they will riot whether the white/black/south american native insurance guy is in jail or free.

It matters not, and never has.


20 posted on 06/18/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: hummingbird

Me too probably but he wasn’t, he turned himself in when asked. There was no reason to believe he would run.


21 posted on 06/18/2012 6:57:43 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Red in Blue PA

Embarassing this is happening in my county

Zimmerman is innocent of the crime he is charged. This money issue is bogus...they do not even go to this extreme for big time drug lords or mafia.

The Black Ku Klux Klan is trying to lynch Zimmerman...and the prosecutor, judge, and Zims own attorney (yes) is helping them

GZ needs to fire OMara now.....this bogus charge should have any half baked atty hollering on the media every minute. OMara has been a weakling


22 posted on 06/18/2012 6:59:57 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Obama really was not born in Kenya...he was born in Greece. Look at the economy)
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To: Red in Blue PA

23 posted on 06/18/2012 7:00:07 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: a fool in paradise

In Florida there is a big sign on the phone telling a caller that all conversations are being recorded.


24 posted on 06/18/2012 7:01:47 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: MrEdd

Same old routine: evidence relesed, inflamatory headline written, then none of the evidence supports the media assumptions in the headline.

He was clear from the first day that some of that initial defense fund was going to be used for personal expenses. Nothing quoted in the article has any relevance to the wife’s perjury charge. And, there’s absolutely nothing unusual about someone who’s the recipient of hundreds of death threats deciding to purchase bulletproof vests. Apparently the MSM is “outraged” that he refused to make himself an easy victim. Come to think of it, that’s been their complaint all along.


25 posted on 06/18/2012 7:04:51 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Candor7

This is beyond shameful and I can’t believe that Bork Obunga has not caught a world of shit over that “if I had a son” statement. That has to be one of the vilest things I’ve ever seen come out of washington DC.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 7:08:04 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Red in Blue PA

I am not sure why some folks keep focusing on how the money was spent. That’s irrelevant.

What’s relevant is that Zimmerman’s wife testified that she had no idea how much money had been raised through the website. Yet she had logged into that account and transferred out more than $120,000 to other accounts in the four days immediately prior to her testimony. The transfers were all broken up into just under $10,000 increments in the belief that this would keep the transfers unreported and unknown. The jailhouse conversations they speak about these transfers in very clumsy and obvious code.

You can say that the prosecution over-reacted, but based on what we now know, there doesn’t appear to be any question at all that they lied.

I said several months ago that I didn’t think it really mattered whether Zimmerman was guilty, because politics would put him in jail. When he was grossly overcharged, and the charging affidavit was so poorly, unprofessionally written, and accompanied by no new evidence suggesting his guilt, I had a glimmer of hope that justice might actually be served and he might walk.

But taking clear, specific actions that will enable the prosecution to impeach your credibility in a case where you are the only living witness - your own best hope to stay out of prison - is so profoundly stupid that I am utterly at a loss to understand it.

I really hope we learn something exculpatory in the new bond hearing, because right now it looks really bad, and I have to believe that O’Mara is livid. I’d be interested to hear what any Freeper attorneys think.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 7:10:25 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: a fool in paradise

I do believe the jail landlines have somewhat different status than a random phone connection.


28 posted on 06/18/2012 7:28:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: PhatHead

So, basically, you get a guy and apply UNBELIEVABLE media pressure and then arrest him for murder, all the time knowing there is no way you can convict on the murder but waiting on him to commit perjury so that you can nail him on perjury?


29 posted on 06/18/2012 7:35:31 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24

I’m not sure I understand your question. I think the prosecutor brought a murder charge due to political motivation and incompetence. I think the Zimmerman’s deceived the court all by themselves and that decision will be helpful to the prosecution.


30 posted on 06/18/2012 7:41:13 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

Let us reinsert the part you left out.

Mrs Zimmerman said she didn’t know how much money had been raised, but that her brother in law did know and that the court could ask him.

The presiding judge chose not to do so, even though he was present.

So by the court records, the Zimmermans never did stonewall the court.


31 posted on 06/18/2012 7:41:43 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PhatHead

In what way did the Zimmermans ever decieve the court?


32 posted on 06/18/2012 7:43:14 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

I didn’t leave anything out. As I said, you can argue the prosecution overreacted. I don’t think they can get a perjury conviction. But there is really no question that they did deceive the court. Zimmerman’s wife had access to the account in question, and in fact had accessed it multiple times for four consecutive days immediately prior to her testimony that she had no idea how much money had been raised. Her answer was non-committal enough that it would be difficult to prove that she willfully lied. Certainly, at the moment she testified, she couldn’t know the exact amount. But she did know that it was at least $120,000, because that is the amount she withdrew over the previous four days.

There is also no question that these transfers were discussed and planned between Zimmerman and his wife.

How is that not deceiving the court?


33 posted on 06/18/2012 7:53:19 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: MrEdd
See Post #33
34 posted on 06/18/2012 7:54:50 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Bryan24
Maybe they figure the only way to avoid nation-wide riots is to have him found guilty. They are trying to destroy his credibility so that the jurors won't believe his version of what happened. They are putting pressure on the witnesses to change their story. There is so much pre-trial negative publicicty that the defense may not be able to find six unbiassed jurors. The jurors may be afraid of retaliation from the New Black Panthers or Sharpton if they vote to acquit.

The best that Zimmerman might have to hope for is a hung jury. Consider a scenario where the jury has two whites, two blacks, and two Hispanics. After all the testimony, the two whites and the two Hispanics want to acquit but the two black jurors have their minds made up that Zimmerman is guilty, or are afraid of the personal consequences if they vote for acquittal. Deadlocked.

35 posted on 06/18/2012 7:59:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Bobalu
Can anyone remember when a defense fund was scarfed up by the prosecution and used to increase the bail amount...thus destroying the ability of citizens to contribute to someones defense in any meaningful way?

I have no idea if it's common practice or not, but if it is, it needs to stop!

36 posted on 06/18/2012 8:05:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s not the Feds. It’s the prosecutors in Florida. It’s doubtful that these conversations would be admissible at trial. I don’t know why the prosecutors are releasing them.


37 posted on 06/18/2012 8:07:18 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: Bobalu

The prosecution is under a lot of pressure. And is acting like it.


38 posted on 06/18/2012 8:08:36 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: popdonnelly
It’s doubtful that these conversations would be admissible at trial. I don’t know why the prosecutors are releasing them.

It sounds like you know... ;-)

39 posted on 06/18/2012 8:12:18 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Verginius Rufus
Maybe they figure the only way to avoid nation-wide riots is to have him found guilty. They are trying to destroy his credibility so that the jurors won't believe his version of what happened. They are putting pressure on the witnesses to change their story.

But if the jurors are anything like me, gross prosecutorial misconduct = automatic acquittal, guilt or the lack thereof notwithstanding. I'm far more concerned that the power of the state be used properly than I am about the occasional criminal.

40 posted on 06/18/2012 8:13:45 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: PhatHead

<>You can say that the prosecution over-reacted, but based on what we now know, there doesn’t appear to be any question at all that they lied.<>

I wouldn’t say that:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2895056/posts


41 posted on 06/18/2012 8:15:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I didn’t say they committed criminal perjury. I pretty specifically said I did not believe the prosecution could get a conviction for that, and laid out some reasons why. (See Post 33 on this thread.)

But they did deceive the court, and I think that may be extremely damaging to George Zimmerman’s defense because his credibility is so important to that defense.


42 posted on 06/18/2012 8:23:24 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Calusa

That’s a good way to apply pressure on him. Plead guilty or well convict your wife.


43 posted on 06/18/2012 8:25:38 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Bibman
Wonder who profited from his recordings. Oh wait! THE SHERIFF AND THE PRESS!

The sheriff is near...

44 posted on 06/18/2012 8:45:57 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: PhatHead
I didn’t say they committed criminal perjury ..... But they did deceive the court.

If she deceived the court, then she committed perjury. If she didn't commit perjury, then she didn't deceive the court. It's both or neither. But if the court was deceived and she didn't commit perjury, then the court has only itself to blame for not asking the right questions.

45 posted on 06/18/2012 9:03:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Candor7

Well said. I agree completely with you.


46 posted on 06/18/2012 9:20:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: PhatHead
How is that not deceiving the court?

Very simply. By reading the sign over the phone, knowing that the KopKorps and Prosecutor were listening in.

If the question was "Do you know what time it is?" and Shellie's answer was "No." that is not a lie. If the question, substantively, was: "Do you know how much money has been given you?" and the answer is "No" that is not a lie.

If the direct question, procedurally and substantively was: "Are you attempting to hide from this court the amount of donations you have received as of (give a particular date and time)?" and the answer is "No" -- neither need that be a lie.

What's the problem here? What am I missing?

If someone asks me:"Do you know what time it is?" and I say "Yes." and say on no more, have I failed to give up any key information that was requested?

You would think that the prosecution or the judge would be smart enough to ask a direct response that their lawyer(s) could respond to directly, or else say, "My clients choose not to participate in their own conviction of an offense."

47 posted on 06/18/2012 9:52:09 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Grab your socks ...)
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To: PhatHead

There is also no question that these transfers were discussed and planned between Zimmerman and his wife.
Notice the secrecy and tone of voice.
In collect phone calls from jail, George Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, used what prosecutors said is coded language to discuss hiding money from an online defense fund. THE AUDIOS here. April 17 = passport/money tranfers. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/transcripts-of-conversations-between-zimmermans-are-released/?hp Some BANK STATEMENTS http://www.wesh.com/blob/view/-/15141060/data/2/-/jcvd58z/-/BankStatements.pdf


48 posted on 06/19/2012 2:34:21 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s obvious the prosecutor is trying to drain any funding Zimmerman has so he won’t be able to defend himself.


49 posted on 06/19/2012 2:50:14 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Uncle Chip
If she deceived the court, then she committed perjury.

That's not necessarily so, as even the blog you linked to earlier argues. And I'm not sure why you are trying to defend this. Back when Clinton was parsing the definition of "is" to show he had not technically lied, it seemed clear to most people that he'd been deliberately deceptive. He wasn't charged with perjury, either.

50 posted on 06/19/2012 4:16:16 AM PDT by PhatHead
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