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Why Russia is standing by Syria's Assad
BBC News ^ | 15 June 2012

Posted on 06/18/2012 8:24:20 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

As the United Nations warns that Syria has descended into civil war, Russia continues to back President Bashar al-Assad in the face of growing international condemnation.

Konstantin von Eggert, political commentator for Kommersant FM radio in Moscow, looks at why the Kremlin is steadfastly supporting the beleaguered Syrian government.

Foreign policy analysts usually tend to explain Moscow's inflexible stance on Syria by evoking arms sales to Damascus (Bashar al-Assad's regime is said to have placed orders for Russian hardware to the tune of $3.5bn) and the Russian naval station in the Syrian port of Tartous.

But this alone does not account for Russia's seeming indifference to the adverse effect that its international advocacy of the Assad government has on its relations with the United States, the European Union and the majority of the Arab states.

The explanation has a lot to do with Russia's domestic policies and the obsessions of the Russian political class.

By standing up for Damascus, the Kremlin is telling the world that neither the UN, nor any other body or group of countries has the right to decide who should or should not govern a sovereign state.

If one looks at the Syrian crisis from this angle, many of Moscow's previously inexplicable actions take on a new, clearer meaning.

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TOPICS: Russia
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1 posted on 06/18/2012 8:24:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Once in awhile, I agree with the Russians. Of course, they will eventually be punished for standing up to the folks who run the world.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Syrian rebels are Mohammedan Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda? Backed by Saudi Arabia?

Assad is secular, Christian protector, ally of Iran.

Why again are Rooskies backing their southern flank Assad? They have enough trouble in the south Caucasus.

yitbos

3 posted on 06/18/2012 8:40:48 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: MinorityRepublican
“Why Russia is standing by Syria's Assad”

Maybe because Putin remembers an adage from the cold war. I do not remember the author but it went something like; “He may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.” This is something the United States has forgotten. Now in the fourth year of the famous ‘Reset’ in foreign policy, we are damn near out of friends. Especially in the Mideast. (and Arizona)

4 posted on 06/18/2012 8:44:20 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: bruinbirdman
Why again are Rooskies backing their southern flank Assad? They have enough trouble in the south Caucasus.

Your question is the answer: Putin would rather fight - and slaughter - jihadists in Syria than in the Southern Caucusus. He won't be sending troops there to nation build, but to break things and kill people.

Putin is corrupt as heck, but he does understand the real world about 1,000,000,000 times better than obastard...

5 posted on 06/18/2012 8:49:00 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Why indeed.......according to a former Air Force General(Sada) in Saddam"s inner circle, Syria was where the Russians were taking all of the WMD that they had been working on in Iraq before we invaded.

Remember a convoy of black limos that were "accidentally shot at" while speeding across the border of Iraq into Syria?????

Russia's scientists were hard at work in Iraq and when the U.S. was "working with the U.N. to get their 'approval' to enforce the sanctions against Iraq," needed to get the evidence of the WMD before being discovered by the rest of the world.

Now, Russia needs to move, protect or destroy the various WMD, such as germ warfare, airborne poisons, etc. before the world catches on.

Actually, Syria or another totalitarian country, friendly to the interests of Russia, is a friendly place in which Russia's secrets are better kept than in mother Russia.

6 posted on 06/18/2012 8:57:18 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Tupelo
“He may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.”

SoS Hull speaking of Trujillo

7 posted on 06/18/2012 9:09:11 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: piytar; 2ndDivisionVet
Your question is the answer: Putin would rather fight - and slaughter - jihadists in Syria than in the Southern Caucusus. He won't be sending troops there to nation build, but to break things and kill people.

Hmmm. This would be an irony of Biblical proportions.

Formerly Christian America becomes Israel's defacto enemy.
Formerly Atheist Russia becomes Israel's defacto savior.

8 posted on 06/18/2012 9:09:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1245 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: zerosix
IMHO - WMD's from Iraq have nothing to do with this. Syria has its own stockpile of Chemical and Biological WMD. They have had them for years. So unless they got nuclear WMD warheads from Iraq, the WMD angle is mute.

The author of this linked article fails to explain why the Russian sea base is not enough justification. It is their only base in the Med. Where are they going to dock in the Med ? Also, a Russian land bridge from the Caucasus through Georgia, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria would be the ultimate prize. They can take Georgia in a few hours. Armenia lets the Russians have their way with them already. Russians still maintain bases there.

Apparently the only way you can dismiss the sea port as the cause, is to note that the rebels have assured the Russians they can use the port. Yeah. Right. We all know how predictable the Arab Spring has been. As the Russians tried to point out, just today, to President Bonehead.

Obama and Hillary are in way over their heads.

9 posted on 06/18/2012 9:13:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Roccus

“SoS Hull speaking of Trujillo”

Actually it was in reference to Somoza

Anastasio Somoza García - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasio_Somoza_García

President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) supposedly remarked in 1939 that “Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” According to historian ...


10 posted on 06/18/2012 9:20:32 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: zerosix
Why indeed.......according to a former Air Force General(Sada) in Saddam"s inner circle, Syria was where the Russians were taking all of the WMD that they had been working on in Iraq before we invaded. Remember a convoy of black limos that were "accidentally shot at" while speeding across the border of Iraq into Syria?????

Exactly what I was thinking. How easily people forget things.

11 posted on 06/18/2012 9:21:06 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: justa-hairyape

I’m not dismissing the sea port as the cause. I’m merely pointing a reason for Russia’s disregard for the “tough negotiators” of Clinton/Obama, might be another component.


12 posted on 06/18/2012 9:27:42 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: cpdiii

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKtrujillo.htm

It seems this quote has been attributed to several different people about several different people. My initial reaction was that it sounded like something out of LBJ.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 9:29:13 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: zerosix
Remember a convoy of black limos that were "accidentally shot at" while speeding across the border of Iraq into Syria?????

IIRC, they were trucks, not limos, but they did have some 'diplomatic' members in the cabs of the trucks.

14 posted on 06/18/2012 9:50:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ETL
How easily people forget things.

Yeah.

And now we have more than one generation that were not even taught things (like history) and seem bent on repeating it.

15 posted on 06/18/2012 9:59:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course, they will eventually be punished for standing up to the folks who run the world.

Yeah, but they always take it out on the little people.


16 posted on 06/18/2012 10:08:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: justa-hairyape
Obama and Hillary are in way over their heads.

Obama and Putin are on the same "new world order" page. You can add Iran ally Syria to the following list.

The Putin-ChiCom-Chavez-Iran-North Korea-Obama "New World Order"

We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEo4B1heuBvO6KK7EiBHKigO1UrA

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/specialreport/news/419496_88/1/.html
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/
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The two sides [Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Russia] agreed to "promote and enhance friendly relations" in line with the joint declaration of July 19, 2000 and the Russia-DPRK friendship and good neighborly cooperation treaty of February 9, 2000.

Putin and Kim agreed during their talks to promote a Russian- DPRK political dialogue on the Korean issue and international affairs, and discussed many topical international problems, deputy head of the Russian presidential administration Sergei Prikhodko told reporters following the talks.

The two leaders spoke for an independent and peaceful solution to the issue of reunification of the Korean Peninsula, and against "any outside obstacles to this process" as "unacceptable."

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Aug/17008.htm

17 posted on 06/19/2012 12:53:13 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: MinorityRepublican
KGB Putin thinks the "COLLAPSE" of the mass-murdering communist Soviet Union was the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th Century"

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html
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"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=
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18 posted on 06/19/2012 12:55:43 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Russia’s military spending soars
February, 2011

Russia has revealed details of its ambitious plan to upgrade its army over the next ten years, planning to spend US$650 billion on the project.

­The unveiled large-scale plans of the Russian defense ministry propose the spending of vast sums of money up to 2020.

First and foremost, Russian defense will focus on the development of strategic nuclear weapons, construction of over 100 military vessels for Russian Navy, including construction of four originally French-made Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, and the introduction into the Air Force of over 1,000 helicopters and 600 military planes, including fifth generation PAK-FA fighter.

Most of the military hardware will be equipped with next-generation weaponry.

http://rt.com/news/military-budget-russia-2020/
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China and Russia Launch Military Exercises
April 22nd, 2012

China and Russia launched joint naval exercises Sunday in the Yellow Sea between the east coast of mainland China and the Korean peninsula.

Sixteen Chinese surface vessels and two submarines as well as four Russian warships will take part in the six days of drills. ...

China and Russia have conducted four bilateral and multilateral military exercises since 2005.

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/04/22/china-and-russia-launch-military-exercises/


19 posted on 06/19/2012 12:56:30 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Open Mic Catches Obama Asking Medvedev for Space on Missile Defense
March 26, 2012

"In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.

This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin."

http://fox8.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense/
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Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”

Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/


20 posted on 06/19/2012 12:57:15 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

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21 posted on 06/19/2012 12:58:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Putin praises Cold War moles for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets
Reuters ^ | Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:04pm EST | Steve Gutterman

Vladimir Putin praised Cold War-era scientists on Thursday for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets so that United States would not be the world's sole atomic power, in comments reflecting his vision of Russia as a counterweight to U.S. power.

Spies with suitcases full of data helped the Soviet Union build its atomic bomb, he told military commanders.

"You know, when the States already had nuclear weapons and the Soviet Union was only building them, we got a significant amount of information through Soviet foreign intelligence channels," Putin said, according to state-run Itar-Tass.

"The were carrying the information away not on microfilm but literally in suitcases. Suitcases!"

Putin's remarks referred to the dawn of the Cold War more than half a century ago, but they echoed a message he has made loud and clear more recently: that the United States needs to be restrained, and Russia is the country to do it. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


22 posted on 06/19/2012 12:58:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: bruinbirdman; SunkenCiv

I agree — Assad isn’t a saint, but he’s the lesser of two evils...


23 posted on 06/19/2012 4:01:51 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: null and void; Eleutheria5

you said it...


24 posted on 06/19/2012 4:04:30 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Assad is our enemy, Russia is our enemy, Iran (which also has thousands of boots on the ground in Syria, and thousands of proxies in Lebanon) is our enemy. This little beat-down they have planned will go a lot like Afghanistan, perhaps right down to the eventual US occupation — though that would take years.


25 posted on 06/19/2012 4:07:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tupelo
Maybe because Putin remembers an adage from the cold war. I do not remember the author but it went something like; “He may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.” This is something the United States has forgotten.

Russian military hardware is crappy. Their economy sucks. What have they got left to have the world take them seriously?

Resolve. Reliability. That's all they have left. Their allies being able to have confidence that the Russians will not abandon them when some news article comes out condemning them. If the Russians lose that, then they are done on the world stage, and they know it.

26 posted on 06/19/2012 4:16:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Cronos

You seem to be missing the point that the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood are also our enemies.

We want all the involved parties to “win”.


27 posted on 06/19/2012 4:17:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Roccus

Thanks. I was thinking it came later.


28 posted on 06/19/2012 5:45:07 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: SunkenCiv
Assad is our enemy, Russia is our enemy, Iran (which also has thousands of boots on the ground in Syria, and thousands of proxies in Lebanon) is our enemy.

Incredibly, there are Putin supporters here at FR. I can't understand how they are allowed to stay. Russia has undermined the US in every military encounter the US has ever had. They're building up their military forces while Obama is crippling ours. They're been staging joint war games with the ChiComs in preparation for war against us.

29 posted on 06/19/2012 7:14:26 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: FreedomPoster
the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood are also our enemies. We want all the involved parties to "win".

Now that at least makes some sense. But that isn't the view of some others here who actually like and trust Putin.

30 posted on 06/19/2012 7:27:25 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

I’m not exactly what anyone would call a Putin supporter, but I’d trade Obama for him in a heartbeat.


31 posted on 06/19/2012 8:18:15 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1246 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
I’d trade Obama for him in a heartbeat.

Both are dangerous, lying, phony, anti-US, totalitarian scumbags. Both have consistently sided with our enemies. Both crave a "new world order" with a substantially weaker US. Putin has reportedly ordered the murder of more than a few of his political opponents. He is alleged to be behind the poisoning deaths of several journalists, and the attempted assassination/disfigurement of a former president of the Ukraine. He well may have been behind the downed Polish airliner in which nearly the entire Polish government were wiped out. It occurred on an important historical anniversary. I can't recall at the moment which.

32 posted on 06/19/2012 8:33:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: null and void
From Heritage.org, November 27, 2006:

The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm
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"Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he [Alexander Litvinenko] has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6163502.stm

33 posted on 06/19/2012 8:38:26 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: null and void
Symposium: To Kill a Russian Journalist
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 17, 2006

The murder of internationally renowned Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in early October 2006 was yet another troubling sign of Russia’s retreat into its totalitarian past. Today Frontpage Symposium has gathered a distinguished panel of experts to discuss why Anna Politkovskaya was killed and what the tragic loss of her life symbolizes about the direction in which Vladimir Putin’s Russia is heading.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=BDBFAEF5-5295-400F-807B-83D20FFA285C
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'PUTIN'S RUSSIA' by Anna Politkovskaya:
http://www.annapolitkovskaya.com/

34 posted on 06/19/2012 8:39:16 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: null and void
List of journalists killed in Russia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

35 posted on 06/19/2012 8:41:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Putin has reportedly ordered the murder of more than a few of his political opponents.

Well, that's a huge contrast to Obama, isn't it?

I'm not saying anyone we know would murder their own grandmother for sympathy votes, but...

Besides, Putin, for all his innumerable flaws, loves his country. If he were suddenly thrust into America, perhaps he could learn to love it.

Obama certainly didn't.

36 posted on 06/19/2012 8:43:59 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1246 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
I’d trade Obama for him in a heartbeat.

Putin, being far more intelligent, 'experienced' and bold than Obama would be even more dangerous as our president. Obama, fortunately, is largely an empty suit novice and a boob. He gets his orders from elsewhere. While the boob is on the golf course, his strategists are scheming new ways to destroy us from within.

37 posted on 06/19/2012 9:14:16 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Putin we’d watch. Obama? Not so much.


38 posted on 06/19/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1246 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

39 posted on 06/19/2012 9:31:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: null and void
Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008

The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.

The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.

The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:

“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”

The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.

The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.

http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia to help Cuba modernize weaponry, train military

September 18, 2009

HAVANA, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - Modernization of the Soviet-made military equipment and training of Cuban military personnel will be the focus of Russian-Cuban military cooperation in the near future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Friday. Gen. Nikolai Makarov arrived on a working visit to Cuba on Monday, met with Cuban President Raul Castro and the country's military leadership, and visited a number of military installations.

"During the Soviet era we delivered a large number of military equipment to Cuba, and after all these years most of this weaponry has become obsolete and needs repairs," Makarov said.

"We inspected the condition of this equipment, and outlined the measures to be taken to maintain the defense capability of this country...I think a lot of work needs to be done in this respect, and I hope we will be able to accomplish this task," the general said.

Makarov said the Cuban request for assistance with training of military personnel will also be fully satisfied.

Although the Cuban leadership has repeatedly said it has no intention of resuming military cooperation with Russia after the surprise closure of the Russian electronic listening post in Lourdes in 2001, bilateral military ties seem to have been improving following the visit of Russian Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin to Cuba in July last year.

A group of Russian warships, led by the Admiral Chabanenko destroyer visited Cuba in December last year during a Caribbean tour.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090918/156170428.html

40 posted on 06/19/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

On the bright side, Obama will buckle just like Kennedy did in 1962, and the Russians will pull back their bombers just like the Soviets pulled back their missiles.


41 posted on 06/19/2012 9:36:09 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1246 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Putin, for all his innumerable flaws, loves his country.

As did Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

42 posted on 06/19/2012 9:56:32 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: UCANSEE2
I can't disprove what you say only to respond that I do remember a news story on TV stating that Russia was outraged that a convoy of their "folk living and working in Iraq....." were shot while driving or being driven out of Iraq prior to our bombing and invasion of Iraq. This story had them traveling in Mercedes, I think limos, to get out of harm's way prior to our invasion. Russia and others were outraged that we would resort to murder of its citizens behaving peacefully not doing anything wrong.

When this Iraqi Air Force General (Christian) spoke with our group, he said that the truth of that story was that these were Russian scientists and engineers and part of what they were taking with them was either WMD or parts thereof, or proof of the fact that that was what they were assisting Saddam in his building up his stockpiles of WMD.

I know I have some materials that this man brought to our group and will have to do some research on his presentation....but he was astounded that Bush, Cheney nor Rumsfeld would admit that Saddam moved much of such weaponry to Syria yet denied it - why.

My thought at the time was that "we" knew where the stuff went, could keep an eye on it and only wanted to fight one war at a time with a predominately Muslim country so as not to "offend the religion of peace!"

43 posted on 06/19/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: zerosix
Here us the story. I knew that it was not merely "trucks" but actual cars/limos:

"The Russian ambassador to Iraq Vladimir Titorenko thinks that the column of Russian cars, filled with diplomats and journalists, was deliberately attacked by the Americans," RIA Novosti wrote.

US forces deliberately attacked Russian convoy: Russian ambassador Agence France-Presse (Spacewar News)

MOSCOW (AFP) Apr 07, 2003
The Russian ambassador to Iraq on Monday accused US forces of deliberately shooting at his convoy as it was fleeing Iraq for Syria, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.The report, filed from the Iraqi-Syrian border, said Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko suffered a slight injury to his arm in the attack.

"The Russian ambassador to Iraq Vladimir Titorenko thinks that the column of Russian cars, filled with diplomats and journalists, was deliberately attacked by the Americans," RIA Novosti wrote. Russian news reports had earlier said that the convoy was carrying Russian flags as it was leaving Baghdad. The state-run news agency said that four cars in the convoy had been hit in the attack and that US M-16 bullet casings were found in the vehicles. The report further accused US forces of trying to stop the Russian convoy for inspections several times, "but these attempts were thwarted by the Russian diplomats."

In a later interview with ITAR-TASS news agency, Titorenko said US forces had shot at his convoy although the Russians had agreed on a time and route for their evacuation from Baghdad with the US authorities. "When we left Baghdad at a time and following a route agreed with the Americans, a column of US tanks, armored troop carriers and mobile artillery blocked our way," Titorenko said. "Our convoy, headed by my car and carrying Russian flags, stopped, but they unexpectedly opened fire," he added.

Read the rest here: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/98195-russian-convoy-in-iraq-attacked-by-us-forces.html

44 posted on 06/19/2012 2:35:41 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: zerosix; UCANSEE2

Yep, this convoy actually was a dozen of Grand Cherokees and a couple of limos. I wonder how one is able to pack a nuclear program into it. They actually had some office equimpent, clothes and canned food with them. Not even a single handgun, let alone WMD.


45 posted on 06/19/2012 6:37:23 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: SunkenCiv; odds
I disagree mildly with you on both counts:

1. "assad is our enemy" -- yeah, but the alternative is worse. It's like the Ukrainians in 1941 welcoming Nazis as saviors from the Soviets -- from one evil to a greater evil.

2. "Russia is our enemy" -- no, the Russians are posturing. The Russian people see the west as a rival, yes, but not the enemy. The Russian government too see's the West as a rival for Russian influence -- mainly for their pride. They have not got the resources to be a serious enemy

3. "Iran is our enemy" -- more correctly the Iranian regime is the enemy. The Iranian people have no beef with Israel and if anything the Iranian people are indifferent to the USA -- there is no visible US presence, so the Iranian government's "Big satan" bit sounds like posturing and deflection to them

46 posted on 06/20/2012 12:09:36 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL
There are no Pootie supporters on FR. This is about Syria. On the matter of Syria, the Russians are correct -- Assad is a lesser evil than the Moslem Brotherhood.

The Christians in Syria have been protected by the Assad regime. it's a deal with the devil, because the OTHER devil would kill them immediately.

Look at what happened in Iraq -- 2 million Christians before 2003, quarter a million and dropping now.

Assad is better than the alternative for Israel and the US as well -- except for one "mirage-like" alternative -- a separate Christian state in the south of Syria and south of Lebanon. Bar that, it's better to have the evil Assad than the Moslem Brotherhood. Have we learnt nothing from Egypt?

47 posted on 06/20/2012 12:14:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL
He well may have been behind the downed Polish airliner in which nearly the entire Polish government were wiped out. It occurred on an important historical anniversary. I can't recall at the moment which.

it occured when President Kaczyński was flying to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Katyń, when thousands of Polish officers and intelligentia were massacred by the Soviets.

Saying the entire Polish government was wiped out is incorrect -- the President and some ministers were killed, but the Prime Minister (who got re-elected since then: Donald Tusk) and others who didn't fly in the same plane, survived. However, yes, this was a blow to Poland as there were a number of people important to polish culture: writers, artists, actors, etc. who were killed, so yes this was a Drugi Katyń -- second Katyn.

48 posted on 06/20/2012 12:25:59 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: null and void; ETL
n&v - you of course mean an "american putin" namely one that is an American patriot.

i'm not sure that would be a good thing. Putin is in the vein of the worst Tsars -- knocking off those who disagree with him etc. He would cut off all freedom of speech etc., things that Obambi can only dream of

Nah, Obama is unfortunately the lesser of two evils (just as Romney is the lesser of two evils in comparison to Obama)

Putin came at an important time for Russia and restored its pride etc., but he's overstayed his welcome and undermined too much of Russia' nascent democracy.

49 posted on 06/20/2012 12:28:45 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL; null and void

hittie and Mao, yes, but not Stalin. Stalin was the old vein of Bolshevik — a universalist who wanted to destroy all national boundaries and have one universal proletariat state. I’d suggest reading Adam Zamoyski’s book: “1920, the Battle of Warsaw”


50 posted on 06/20/2012 12:41:15 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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