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Marco Rubio Not Being Vetted to Be Mitt Romney’s Running Mate
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Posted on 06/19/2012 4:12:44 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: servantboy777

Nikki Haley of SC is rumored to be on the short list. She isn’t NBC either.


101 posted on 06/19/2012 10:46:01 PM PDT by tunedin
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To: Forty-Niner

Surely you see the difference between someone who left the county to settle permanently in Mexico to make a new life vs someone who knew it was only temporary and was in some type of service.


102 posted on 06/20/2012 4:59:52 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: RummyChick
"Good possibility that Mitch Daniels -absolutely no charisma or good looks, will be picked."

Not.

Also, this:

"Purdue University Picks Indiana Governor as President

9:38 AM, Jun 20, 2012: Indianapolis (written by John Russlel, Ryan Sabalow, & Mary Beth Schneider/Indianapolis Star) --

Purdue University's surprise choice of Gov. Mitch Daniels as its next president is being hailed by many as a coup for the university for his skill in fundraising and leadership."


103 posted on 06/20/2012 8:44:13 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: TomGuy
"Jonathan Karl of ABC on GMA this morning thinks Pawlenty is at the top of the list."

Which is QED the reason to ignore all of this as Karl tries to stir some sh!t in what was a slow news week until today.

Notably, Karl is not a libtard, but he has been in the tank for Ryan as GOP VP (since he can't get his favorite Condi Rice), and would 'settle' for Pawlenty.

104 posted on 06/20/2012 9:03:05 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Diggity

“Surely you see the difference between someone who left the county to settle permanently in Mexico to make a new life vs someone who knew it was only temporary and was in some type of service.”

You seem to have run out of cogent legal arguement.

The answer to your question is “no.” Under our laws children born overseas to US citizen parents are legally born US citizens.

Despite your desire to find some reason to knock out Romney from the Presidential nomination of the Republican Party, and build a consenus his disqualifacation at this late date, and for your personal political expediency, there is no reason for that law to be changed or ignored.

I don’t like the SOB either but he has prevailed through our primary process. In any case I will be voting against Obama, though my ballot might have a checkmark near the Republican nominee.

Sigh.

The Congressional races are looming as the more important races on the 2012 General election ballot.

Might I suggest you turn your efforts to the very real disqualifying issues surrounding Obama’s eligibilty to be POTUS?


105 posted on 06/20/2012 9:31:54 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: MinuteGal

Shame on you for listening to Disney’s ABC News; don’t you remember that they are all about fantasy? ;-)


106 posted on 06/20/2012 9:35:34 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Forty-Niner

I just made a comment speaking to the commons sense of when a person born outside the US to US parents still fit NBC.

McCain got his pass because his father was on military duty in Panama.

Romney’s grandfather was not in the military or in the sevice of an American entity.

I suggest you quite being so blind to common sense. BTW, why don’t you link where a court has officially defined what a NBC citizen is. Don’t spend too much time because you will not find it. Why don’t you try though since you like to argue about things you don’t understand.


107 posted on 06/20/2012 10:48:11 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity
" BTW, why don’t you link where a court has officially defined what a NBC citizen is. Don’t spend too much time because you will not find it. Why don’t you try though since you like to argue about things you don’t understand."

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

108 posted on 06/20/2012 10:57:14 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Diggity
"I suggest you quite being so blind to common sense. BTW, why don’t you link where a court has officially defined what a NBC citizen is. Don’t spend too much time because you will not find it. Why don’t you try though since you like to argue about things you don’t understand."

FOUR Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents.

109 posted on 06/20/2012 11:04:48 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

That case was speaking to those born to us citizens on us soil.

We are speaking to a different issue. Namely, when does foreign birth of a child to a US Citizen qualify that child as a NBC.

Read McCain’s senate resolution for clues. Notice that they drew upon the REASON McCain was born in a foreign country. namely that his father was in the service of the country through the military.

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
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Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article


110 posted on 06/20/2012 11:07:21 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity
You can not AMEND the Constitution with a senate resolution.

BTW, I noticed you have nothing to say with regards to having been proven a LIAR in posts #108 and #109.

111 posted on 06/20/2012 11:19:53 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

Your links say nothing about being born in a foreign country and you don’t need to amend the constitution. You just have to interpret it which has never been done in regards to a person born in a foreign country to US Citizens relative to their NBC status.

Liar huh LOL.


112 posted on 06/20/2012 11:29:53 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity
Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857):

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

The language is clear, obot.

113 posted on 06/20/2012 11:41:52 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

You and I are speaking about two different things. Either you realize that and are just being a jacksass or you are too dumb to understand it.

Take your pick.


114 posted on 06/20/2012 11:49:30 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity

You are busted, obot. Now go away.


115 posted on 06/20/2012 12:50:08 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Diggity

” BTW, why don’t you link where a court has officially defined what a NBC citizen is.”

That’s easy...Minor v Happersett USSC defines NBC. Look it up youself, you might learn something. The definition of Natural Born Citizen, until Obama, has never an issue. It was always understood and accepted that children born in this country to citizen parents were the so called Natives / Natural Born Citizens. They form the very foundation of any society.

What has been an issue is what other (ie non NBC) circumstances of birth resulted in “born citizenship.”

The 14th Amendment was passed to insure citizenship for former slaves and their children, partially answered the question of who shall be a “born” citizen. (Note: Born citizens have No need for naturalization.)

USSC case WKA applied the 14th amendment to persons other than the initially intended former slaves and their children. WKA, born in the US to non citizen, but legally residing parents, was found to be a born citizen by the application of the 14th namendment.

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“Why don’t you try though since you like to argue about things you don’t understand.”

LOLOLOLOL.... That is funny coming from you!

ta ta sonny!


116 posted on 06/20/2012 4:48:03 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

How many times to I have to explain to you morons that the question is about Mitt’s father being born in Mexico and not about Mitt being born in the USA.

I guess you don’t understand that. Jackass. Figures though.


117 posted on 06/20/2012 5:39:44 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity

“morons.....Jacjass...”

Good arguements, yessiree, you’ve won me over”/s

Listen little boy, step away from the bubble gum jar and head off to bed......It’s way past your bedtime.


118 posted on 06/20/2012 8:09:38 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Diggity

“How many times to I have to explain to you morons that the question is about Mitt’s father being born in Mexico and not about Mitt being born in the USA.”

“I guess you don’t understand that. Jackass. Figures though.”

George Romney, Mitts father was born in Mexico to US citizen parents. He is a born US citizen per US law. No need for his being naturalized. Period.

Mitt was born in the US to US Citizen parents. There is no need for him to be naturalized....in fact the quality of his birth is one of being a Natural Born Citizen. Period.

You are the type of person that gives people with legitimate concerns about Obama’s lack of eligibility a bad name. Your ignorance of US law, History, Mores, and Customs is appalling Your posts are sophmoric, and your ad hominum attacks demeaning to both yourself and the object of your anger. Get a grip on it. Post to me again in the same abusive manner and I’ll make sure the moderators aware of your behavior. Repeat.... don’t post your junk at me or any other FReeper again. Do not engage in ad hominum attacks on me or any other FReeper. Ever. Clear enough for you?????


119 posted on 06/20/2012 8:28:51 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

“George Romney, Mitts father was born in Mexico to US citizen parents. He is a born US citizen per US law. No need for his being naturalized. Period.”

This is what has never been tested in court. Until you understand the conversation you need to butt of it.

Your problem is that you don’t understand the issue. This is the same issue some say disqualifies Obama, namely that his father was Britsh.

As far as commenting you are the typical poster who posts crap and then gets offended when challenged.

Do you understand now what we are discussing? I hope so because you are just confusing anyone that has read your comments.


120 posted on 06/21/2012 9:53:15 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: Forty-Niner

Mitt was born in the US to US Citizen parents. There is no need for him to be naturalized....in fact the quality of his birth is one of being a Natural Born Citizen. Period.

We are not discussing Mitt’s birth in he US. His place of birth has never been disputed. You are aware I take it that George Romney was born in Mexico, to parents residing permanently in Mexico due to their prosecution of their polygamous belief derived from their Mormon faith.

My original comment was pointed toward the question of was George ever formally naturalized? You are saying that it doesn’t matter. That he was automatically made a citizen which would automatically give Mitt NBC. I am saying it that might not be the case.

I do not know what the custom of the time was but today, a birth of a child to us citizens abroad has to be reported to the consulate. I doubt if George’s father was withing a week’s travel of any american consulate.

Then you have to ask, when George was brought in the US was he ever naturalized through contact with the US Goverment or did he just fly under the radar. His father designated him as a us citizen on the 1910 census. Is that enough? Can a US citizen actually take the authority to determine if their child is an US citizen? Are you sure they can because you would have too in order to believe that George was made a us citizen outside of any process.

There exists a possibility that George was not an American citizen when Mitt was born which of course would cause Mitt problems.

I apologize for calling you a moron but I am equally irritated by your condescending comments especially the childish “ta ta sonny” which may simply be a staple of your normal conversation. What irritates me the most about about you though is that you think you run this place.

You are no Jim Robinson and you will not tell me what I can or can not do.

John


121 posted on 06/21/2012 12:13:06 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity

“You are no Jim Robinson and you will not tell me what I can or can not do.”

You need to read the stated policy of Free Republic, ie Jim Robinson, on posting policy. To wit, in part...” Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.” This policy is just below the reply box. It’s hard to miss. Though I’m sure at this point that you can manage it.

You are out of line using abusive language and ad hominum attacks in posts to other FReepers. Yes, you can flaunt those rules at your own peril.....enough warning to the wise.

If you had read my home page you’d know that “ta ta sonny” is my kiss off to a fool........If you had any curiosity about who you were posting to and their perspective you’d have known that. Then again your reading comprehension skills appear to be lacking, and reading someone’s About Page might still leave you clueless, I looked at yours, BEFORE first posting to you.... it’s still blank after 6 years as a FReeper. That in itself says alot about you.

None of your posts make much sense. you skip back and forth between subjects, setting up strawman arguments for youself. It is an immature manner of discussion, irratating, and disrespectful to both the recepient of your post and the FR readership in general.

Your return post diregards my post stating “George Romney, Mitt’s father, was born in Mexico to US citizen parents. He is a born US citizen per US law. No need for his being naturalized. Period.”

The progression of thought is...

Mitt’s grandfather, born in the USA, is a born US citizen. (probably a NBC)

Mitt’s father, George, born in Mexico to US citizen parents is a born US citizen. (Non NBC) This is true because of US law which recognizes children of US citizens born outside of US borders to be born US citizens from the earliest days of the Republic.....

Mitt born in the US to US citizen parents is a born US citizen....a Natural born citizen.....”born in country to citizen parents.

....somehow that simple progression of thought has totally escaped you, as you persue a single minded and falicious train of thought.

You continue...”My original comment was pointed toward the question of was George ever formally naturalized?” Answered by myself and others.....Born citizens do not need to be naturalized. Period. It is the definition of “born citizen.....all of the Romneys have been born citizens. PERIOD.

There are many reasons for me and others to not like Romney as the Republican Nominee, nor as a potential US President. Your wild and unknowledgeable speculations about George Romney are not among them.

The last time.....sigh...My kiss off to a fool....

Ta-ta sonny! (Get it now????)


122 posted on 06/21/2012 5:06:37 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

...You need to read the stated policy of Free Republic, ie Jim Robinson, on posting policy. To wit, in part...” Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.” This policy is just below the reply box. It’s hard to miss. Though I’m sure at this point that you can manage it....

Then apparently you are ignoring Jim’s wishes considering your use of Ta Ta Sonny to me.

It’s not automatic that a person born to a us citizen is a citizen. It’s the general rule but it’s not automatic.

The birth has to be registered with the us government at some point. Where did George’s father register George? Do you know the answer to that?

As far your home page goes; why on earth would I even think about visiting it? Why would I care who you are. My guess is
you are either military or ex military but I don’t know and I don’t care.

I apologized to you for calling you a moron yet you didn’t acknowledge it. That and your incessant need to call me a fool speaks volumes about you as a person.

I believe now that you are the one here who needs to apologize.


123 posted on 06/21/2012 6:03:01 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Venturer

I agree. My guess is that the reason the republican leadership rolled over on Obama is that they don’t care anymore about the constitution then the democrats do and had they taken up the NBC issue relative to Obama it would have caused them two problems.

First of all, it would mean’t that they would be likely running against Hillary Clinton and second, they would have ruined Rubio and Jindal’s chances of running for office.

Between the Reps and the Dems I don’t think this country stands a chance.


124 posted on 06/21/2012 6:26:19 PM PDT by Diggity
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