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Mormons Have Irrational Beliefs? Who Doesn’t?
Front Page Magazine ^ | June 19, 2012 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/19/2012 4:51:24 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet

Commentators on both the right and left and both secular and religious note with disdain that Mormons (Latter Day Saints, as Mormons refer to themselves) have irrational practices and beliefs. The former, we are told, includes the wearing of sacred undergarments and the latter includes posthumous baptisms and the claims by the prophet of Mormonism to have found and deciphered engraved golden plates in New York State.

I read and hear these dismissals of Mormonism with some amusement — because everyone who makes these charges holds beliefs and/or practices that outsiders consider just as irrational.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; elections; mormons; romney
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To: Hawthorn

“Moreover, would I be extremely pleased to support a conservative POTUS candidate who happened to be RC? In a nano-second! And ditto for a conservative Mormon.”

I think this is what it comes down to in the end. As President, who are you going to put your trust in for the future, not only for your country but also your family.
You have to make that choice based upon your understanding and trust of each persons character. True religious beliefs tell a lot about a persons inner character.
On election day that religious character will be given a choice. Where will the true conservatives line up?

21 posted on 06/19/2012 5:40:06 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

This post might get you zotted but it is definite that it will bring out the nutters who come with long, colorful posts and fall to encouraged sarcasm.

Thanks for being so brave. I have to read it later as I am off to ANOTHER week of my daughter’s Driver’s ed.

22 posted on 06/19/2012 5:41:25 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Elsie; reaganaut

LDS is the ‘in’ thing ping!

Baptize your dead LOL

23 posted on 06/19/2012 5:42:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Utah Binger

Great southern Utah....

25 posted on 06/19/2012 5:47:58 AM PDT by jch10 (BO, Leaker-in-Chief)
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To: F15Eagle
You obviously never attended Mass.
26 posted on 06/19/2012 5:48:47 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Utah Binger
"The Democrat Scott Howell is actually more conservative than either Romney or Hatch."

I know nothing about Scott Howell. This is the first I have even heard his name. I do know, though, that with a D after his name, he will vote for Harry Reid for Senate leader (or Nancy Pelosi, if he's running for the House). This makes your opinion of his conservatism irrelevant. He deserves to be defeated. We cannot compromise with Democrats. They must be defeated.

27 posted on 06/19/2012 5:50:31 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: F15Eagle
No problem!

“So Mormon events are subjects of accurate historical records”

What I meant was that Mormon events are too recent so can be debunked or ridiculed by non-Mormon historical accounts and records

29 posted on 06/19/2012 5:51:10 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: F15Eagle


31 posted on 06/19/2012 5:55:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: F15Eagle

In a perfect world those points would have helped strengthen one’s beliefs in the culture had any of it been true. I grew up never questioning any of the unknown things mentioned. I left the church at age 19 in spirit but continued participating. (family etc.)

Now fifty years later the dogma has been shed for thirty five years and I am a free spirit.

Cannot do anything about Romney being elected.

32 posted on 06/19/2012 5:58:06 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Scott has Harry Reid at arms length and wants nothing to do with him. Next time I speak with one of his people I will ask that direct question.

I agree with your points, however Utah democrats are a different beast.

34 posted on 06/19/2012 6:06:18 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I think the liberals in (name your religion) are a bigger threat than (name someone else’s religion).

35 posted on 06/19/2012 6:15:25 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: F15Eagle
That being said, Mormons and RLDS have been my friends for decades and are by and large, very decent people. Romney is a Massachusetts liberal but yes, I think Obama is much worse. These are separate issues besides whether Joseph Smith was a false prophet, as he clearly was.

Joking a bit here but I would much rather live under a Mormon cabal running the USG than a Muslim friendly Marxist cabal
Any such Mormon cabal would not be in office forever and best case scenario would undo a lot of Obama's damage and set America on a rightward course. Mormons love America. Quite the opposite of the Obama cabal.

Joseph Smith being a false prophet has done one billionth of the damage the false prophet Muhammad has. Mormons no longer fight battles against other Americans except maybe in business but that is called capitalism. While the followers of false prophet Mohammed are still in Jihad mode same as in the 7th century

Joseph Smith lived recently so any Mormon claims about him are subject to debunking and laughter via non-Mormon historical material. Too bad it's not that easy to un-brainwash the followers of Muhammad. I have a feeling Mitt Romney is not a super religious Mormon. 
That Mitt is somewhat religious but that his church is a social and business networking place for him and his family of five sons and his wife

36 posted on 06/19/2012 6:47:06 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Very good commentary from you. That is about how I feel

37 posted on 06/19/2012 6:50:08 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: F15Eagle

From the REAL papyrus of Abraham ...Verses 1-5

(I/1) [”Osiris, the god’s father], prophet of Amon-Re, King of the Gods, prophet of Min who slaughters his enemies, prophet of Khonsu, the [one who exercises] authority in Thebes,

(I/2) [. . .] . . . Hor, the justified, son of the similarly titled overseer of secrets and purifier of the god, Osorwer, the justified, born by the [housewife and sistrum-player of ]

(I/3) [Amon]-Re, Taikhibit, the justified! May your ba-spirit live among them, and may you be buried on the west [of Thebes].”

(I/4) [”O Anubis(?),51 . . .] justification(?).
(I/5) [May you give to him] a good and splendid burial on the west of Thebes as on the mountains of Ma[nu](?).”
[Osiris shall be towed in]to the great lake of Khonsu,
and likewise [the Osiris Hor, the justified,] born of Taikhibit, the justified,
after his two arms have been [placed] at his heart, while
the Breathing Document, being what
is written on its interior and exterior, shall be wrapped in royal linen and placed (under) his left arm in the midst of his heart. The remainder of his
wrapping shall be made over it. As for the one for whom this book is made,
he thus breathes like the ba-spirit[s] of the gods, forever and ever.

38 posted on 06/19/2012 7:22:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

So it has come to this, just as I predicted. In order to shore up the obviously recent and silly claims of Mormonism, we must attack Christianity.

Why am I not surprised?

39 posted on 06/19/2012 7:29:11 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; svcw
As a Catholic, I know little about Mormonism which Mittens practices, but I know quite a bit about Islam/Sharia...

Then why don't you start a thread about Islam since you know so much about it and leave the Mormonism discussions to those who have more knowledge in the area? Every time you try to hijack a Mormonism thread by suggesting that we must talk about Islam, svcw reminds you that if you want a thread about a topic, start it. Have you ever followed that sound advice and started a thread about the abuses of Islam? Lots of material if want to take on the task.

Wonderful job of mindreading in post #5. You might want to review the forum rules.

The basic problem with Dennis Prager's column is that Mormonism has to defend lots of the ground of traditional Christianity while defending the unique positions of Mormonism where the irrationality really kicks in. What Prager's piece does is take a broad swipe at religion in general to defend Mormonism.

BTW, I'm willing to stand before my Lord and Savior when charged with hypocrisy by Mormon apologists.

40 posted on 06/19/2012 8:18:26 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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